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Mayhem5185
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Topic: 10 Worst Picture Nominee's?Posted: May 14 2011 at 6:39pm |
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I would say taking the the number to 10 in any category would be nice, but as pointed out by Michaels, since our voting membership is so small it would run the risk of allowing to many mediocre movies on the final ballot instead of the true cream de la sh*t. I would say that a good compromise though would be to expand the worst picture category from 5... (Drum-roll please)... to 6. Why 6? I'll tell you: All those other award shows do things in increments of 5 or 10, but what award show out there does 6? Nobody, I tell you! It works for everybody, we can add another sh*tactular movie to our list, and at the same time continue the razzie tradition of being not quite the norm in terms of award shows.
, very true, It also doesn't help when the Nominating Ballot, which is handpicked by HR himself (I believe) is littered with mediocre movies like Twilight, or The Expendables. I wanted to get my membership last year, but was in debt at the time so I couldn't afford it. Had i gotten it though, I probably would've been more than a little disappointed. On that note though, I do plan on finally getting my membership this year... unless I get myself banned from the Razzies beforehand, LOL |
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Mayhem5185
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Posted: May 14 2011 at 6:57pm |
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And with that, you've finally given Miguel an idea of how to give Twilight a Razzie "win" -- I hope you're happy, Saturn! (Kidding lol)... In all seriousness though, while it is a scary thought in theory, the idea that someone would pay $500 or a $1000 just to make sure a certain movie wins an award from us is a extreme stretch, and that's putting it lightly. Most of us don't have that kind of money to just spend on an award show, the only people that do would be actual movie critics like Peter Travers, and i don't think guys like that would be that much of a douche-bag to pull off something like that. (Maybe Armond White might do that, but he's a whiny troll that's an embarrassment to professional film critics, so yeah)...
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saturnwatcher
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Posted: May 14 2011 at 8:57pm |
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It probably isn't very likely, but it isn't impossible, and it is a one time payout, if I am not mistaken. From the stanpoint of a studio, it might actually be a comparatively modest investment to help make sure their movies and actors avoid winning Razzies, or possibly a good publicity ploy to make sure they do, in some cases. If you hang around as a voting member for about 10 years, it actually makes financial sense to buy the lifetime membership as well, providing you can scrape up the cash...
As to the suggestion of expanding the number of nominations to 6, I have no real problem with that. BUT...five was chosen because the Razzies are modeled after the Oscars, and until a couple of years ago their traditional number was 5. To the best of my knowledge, Head Razz does pick the initial slate of nominees...I would suspect he probably has some consultants although I would be interested in hearing him give his thoughts on the process. But considering that he has experience in the industry AND a few decades running the organization, I have no problem defering to his expertise.
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Michaels
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Posted: May 14 2011 at 9:12pm |
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Damn it, why does math have to always spoil everyone's fun!?
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Vheid
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 6:51am |
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Because you asked, Vits, I'll try to answer your question to the best of my ability: I believe there is no English equivalent to "onoverzichtlijk". The literal translation to "overzicht" would be "oversight" which isn't really a word in English. Het overzicht hebben (Having the oversight) or something that is Overzichtelijk, would mean that you are fully aware (and/or in control of) everything that happens in a situation (example: the case of a teacher in a busy class room). It is sometimes also used when someone has full understanding of the information in a text or a document. In this case i was talking about a full awareness of all the titles named on the nomination ballot. ONoverzichtelijk means the opposite, So NOT being fully aware (and/or in control of) everything that happens in a situation. Hope this kind of explains it.... Update: A related word is Overzien, which translated means "Oversee"
I recently saved up €200,- (within a couple months time) for a new laptop, So i think it wouldn't be that hard for me to get €354,35 (which is $500,- with the current inflation).
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 10:52am |
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RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: In reply to the back-and-forth above:
1) ON the QUESTION of EXPANDING OUR WORST PICTURE LIST to 10 NOMINEES: The AMPAS actually have a voting membership of more than 4,500 industry types. Our current Voting Membership is around 750. Thus, with 10 contenders, it would be statistically possible to "win" our top award with less than 80 votes, thereby making us no more meaningful than The Golden Globs. 2) ON the QUESTION of MAYBE GOING to SIX NOMINEES INSTEAD of 5: Interesting thought, but again, statistics create a problem -- Not only do more nominees mean less votes needed to "win," I'm fairly sure an even number of nominees would increase the chances of there being ties. Other than as a gimmick (which the Oscars' going to 10 Best Picture nominees blatantly was) I see no reason to mess with a method that has worked berry well for 3 decades... 3) ON the QUESTION of HOW CONTENDERS ARE CHOSEN for OUR NOMINATING BALLOT: In picking what ends up being listed, I go by several factors: Obviously reviews play a role (though we do occasionally have nominees that got only mediocre reviews). I also look at box-office-versus production cost. I factor in as well what movie-goers themselves rated the film (using both User Ratings at IMDb and CinemaScore grades). And finally, I factor in the "liveliness" of any title's Forum discussion -- Assuming that the more comments a title logs on our Forum, the more interest our Voting Members have in seeing it get RAZZed. I have been pleased to see that, in the past year or so, Forum Members have begun a number of their own Forum discussions on films they think I've overlooked. In general, looking over our 31 year history, I'd say we've done at least as good a job of picking Hollywood's WORST Achievements each year as The Giving Out of the Little Gold Naked Men® has done at picking Tinsel Town's purported best... On this berry subject, here's a LINK to discuss what impact (if any) The RAZZIES® have had thus far... |
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Vits
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 11:01am |
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I've thought about it, and I think I've got an answer: How about if each year it's different?Let's say that during the ballots there's no landslide and 5 movies get about the same amount of votes. Those would be the nominees. Let's say it's 6 movies, those can be the noms..See where I'm going? With this system, there's no need to worry about splitting votes...not when HeadRAZZ already knows the main contenders and how the results will likely be. However,the number should always be between 5 and 10.
After the Oscars changed to 10,a lot of the big award shows tried to copy that. The People's Choice went from 3 to 5,and the MTV Movie Awards have 6 noms instead of 5 for Best Breakout Star. But mainly, the Emmys went from 5 to 6 except in Oustanding Drama/Comedy Series, which sometimes have 7. RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: If you're looking for logic where award shows are concerned, steer clear of the Emmys -- If you look over their history, they are the only ones who could compete with the Golden Globs in terms of lack of consistency in their choices, and the rules by which the nominees are determined. |
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 5:04pm |
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I just had a thought; what if there's a tie between the fifth most voted on film on the nominating ballot?
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Vits
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 5:49pm |
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Exactly!All the more reason to do what I just said.
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Michaels
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 12:41pm |
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Yep, like HeadRazz said, we just don't have the membership numbers to divide the votes between 10 choices. And it is our duty to keep denying Miguel of his wet dream (oh saturnwatcher, what have you started?!)!
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 8:22pm |
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Yes, I agree with Joel Kessell -- 5 makes sense, and feels good . It works best when u choose the top 3 or top 5, rather than top 10...
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Posted: May 17 2011 at 8:37am |
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I agree 5 nominees is best
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Posted: May 18 2011 at 11:12am |
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Wow my post had quite a turnout
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 6:07pm |
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Just a thought... take the 10 most recommended and only the "top" 5 get to be voted on for the final awards... the lower 5 would be dishonorable mentions... or something like that? Thoughts?
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saturnwatcher
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Posted: May 20 2011 at 8:58am |
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Lots of critics put out an annual "10 Worst" list, which is effectively what your idea amounts to. The purpose of the Razzies is to name a Worst Picture as a counterpoint to the Oscar's Best Picture. Let's not get into clogging the drains and just keep doing what we already do.
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Posted: May 20 2011 at 3:27pm |
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You make good points, Vheid. I'd have to agree!
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