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    Posted: May 14 2011 at 6:39pm
I would say taking the the number to 10 in any category would be nice, but as pointed out by Michaels, since our voting membership is so small it would run the risk of allowing to many mediocre movies on the final ballot instead of the true cream de la sh*t. I would say that a good compromise though would be to expand the worst picture category from 5... (Drum-roll please)... to 6. Why 6? I'll tell you: All those other award shows do things in increments of 5 or 10, but what award show out there does 6? Nobody, I tell you! It works for everybody, we can add another sh*tactular movie to our list, and at the same time continue the razzie tradition of being not quite the norm in terms of award shows.  

Originally posted by Michaels

As saturnwatcher said, 600-700 votes split ten ways could result in a least deserving movie getting the award ... and I refuse to make Miguel's wet dream come true (if saturnwatcher can say it, so can I).


LOL, very true, It also doesn't help when the Nominating Ballot, which is handpicked by HR himself (I believe) is littered with mediocre movies like Twilight, or The Expendables. I wanted to get my membership last year, but was in debt at the time so I couldn't afford it. Had i gotten it though, I probably would've been more than a little disappointed. 

On that note though, I do plan on finally getting my membership this year... unless I get myself banned from the Razzies beforehand,  LOL  LOL  





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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mayhem5185 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 6:57pm
And with that, you've finally given Miguel an idea of how to give Twilight a Razzie "win" -- I hope you're happy, Saturn! (Kidding lol)...  

In all seriousness though, while it is a scary thought in theory, the idea that someone would pay $500 or a $1000 just to make sure a certain movie wins an award from us is a extreme stretch, and that's putting it lightly. Most of us don't have that kind of money to just spend on an award show, the only people that do would be actual movie critics like Peter Travers, and i don't think guys like that would be that much of a douche-bag to pull off something like that. (Maybe Armond White might do that, but he's a whiny troll that's an embarrassment to professional film critics, so yeah)...  

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

If I may make one further point, Head Razz offers a Lifetime membership, which permits a member to add 55 names to the membership for the $500 contribution. Since our voting is now done predominately by email, it isn't all that difficult to create 55 email addresses, which effectively permits one member a lot of voting power. Since, as I noted above, adding 5 more nominees to the final ballot potentially drops the threshold of victory to about 70 votes, a situation could be created where one indivual would be dangerously close to deciding the "winner" every year. If someone was enthusiastic enough to buy 2 Lifetime memberships, they would effectively buy a voting block that would be extremely difficult for the rest of the membership to override.
 
The initial ballots still go out by mail, but I wouldn't have much problem getting 55 friends, co-workers and family members to permit me to offer their addresses, and simply give me the ballots when they arrived. So by increasing the ballot to 10, you are creating the double edged sword of splitting the vote and offering the opportunity for someone to effectively buy the right to name the winner.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 8:57pm
It probably isn't very likely, but it isn't impossible, and it is a one time payout, if I am not mistaken. From the stanpoint of a studio, it might actually be a comparatively modest investment to help make sure their movies and actors avoid winning Razzies, or possibly a good publicity ploy to make sure they do, in some cases. If you hang around as a voting member for about 10 years, it actually makes financial sense to buy the lifetime membership as well, providing you can scrape up the cash...
 
As to the suggestion of expanding the number of nominations to 6, I have no real problem with that. BUT...five was chosen because the Razzies are modeled after the Oscars, and until a couple of years ago their traditional number was 5. To the best of my knowledge, Head Razz does pick the initial slate of nominees...I would suspect he probably has some consultants although I would be interested in hearing him give his thoughts on the process. But considering that he has experience in the industry AND a few decades running the organization, I have no problem defering to his expertise.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michaels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 9:12pm
Damn it, why does math have to always spoil everyone's fun!?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vheid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2011 at 6:51am
Because you asked, Vits, I'll try to answer your question to the best of my ability:  
 
I believe there is no English equivalent to "onoverzichtlijk".
The literal translation to "overzicht" would be "oversight" which isn't really a word in English.
Het overzicht hebben (Having the oversight) or something that is Overzichtelijk, would mean that you are fully aware (and/or in control of) everything that happens in a situation (example: the case of a teacher in a busy class room). It is sometimes also used when someone has full understanding of the information in a text or a document. In this case i was talking about a full awareness of all the titles named on the nomination ballot.
ONoverzichtelijk means the opposite, So NOT being fully aware (and/or in control of) everything that happens in a situation.
 
Hope this kind of explains it....

Update:
A related word is Overzien, which translated means "Oversee"

Originally posted by Vits

Originally posted by Vheid

Vits, You're Wrong. I am pretty sure that the Dutch word for "confusing" is "verwarrend".
Sorry,I use the Google translator.Now that you're fully awake could you translate?
 
I recently saved up €200,- (within a couple months time) for a new laptop, So i think it wouldn't be that hard for me to get €354,35 (which is $500,- with the current inflation).
 
Originally posted by Mayhem5185

In all seriousness though while it is a scary thought in theory, the idea that someone would pay $500 or a $1000 just to make sure a certain movie wins an award from us is a extreme stretch, and thats putting it lightly. Most of us don't have that kind of money to just spend on an award show, the only people that do would be actual movie critics like Peter Travers, and i don't think guys like that would be that much of a douche to pull off something like that. (Maybe Armond White might do that, but he's a whiny troll that's an embarrassment to professional film critics so yeah)
 

 
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RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: In reply to the back-and-forth above:

1) ON the QUESTION of EXPANDING OUR WORST PICTURE LIST to 10 NOMINEES: The AMPAS actually have a voting membership of more than 4,500 industry types. Our current Voting Membership is around 750. Thus, with 10 contenders, it would be statistically possible to "win" our top award with less than 80 votes, thereby making us no more meaningful than The Golden Globs. 

2) ON the QUESTION of MAYBE GOING to SIX NOMINEES INSTEAD of 5: Interesting thought, but again, statistics create a problem -- Not only do more nominees mean less votes needed to "win," I'm fairly sure an even number of nominees would increase the chances of there being ties. Other than as a gimmick (which the Oscars' going to 10 Best Picture nominees blatantly was) I see no reason to mess with a method that has worked berry well for 3 decades... 

3) ON the QUESTION of HOW CONTENDERS ARE CHOSEN for OUR NOMINATING BALLOT: In picking what ends up being listed, I go by several factors:  Obviously reviews play a role (though we do occasionally have nominees that got only mediocre reviews). I also look at box-office-versus production cost. I factor in as well what movie-goers themselves rated the film (using both User Ratings at IMDb and CinemaScore grades). And finally, I factor in the "liveliness" of any title's Forum discussion -- Assuming that the more comments a title logs on our Forum, the more interest our Voting Members have in seeing it get RAZZed.  I have been pleased to see that, in the past year or so, Forum Members have begun a number of their own Forum discussions on films they think I've overlooked. 

In general, looking over our 31 year history, I'd say we've done at least as good a job of picking Hollywood's WORST Achievements each year as The Giving Out of the Little Gold Naked Men® has done at picking Tinsel Town's purported best...  

On this berry subject, here's a LINK to discuss what impact (if any) The RAZZIES® have had thus far...  






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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2011 at 11:01am
I've thought about it, and I think I've got an answer: How about if each year it's different?Let's say that during the ballots there's no landslide and 5 movies get about the same amount of votes. Those would be the nominees. Let's say it's 6 movies, those can be the noms..See where I'm going? With this system, there's no need to worry about splitting votes...not when HeadRAZZ already knows the main contenders and how the results will likely be. However,the number should always be between 5 and 10.
Originally posted by Mayhem5185

I would say that a good compromise though would be to expand the worst picture category from 5... (Drum-roll please)... to 6. Why 6? I'll tell you: All those other award shows do things in increments of 5 or 10, but what award show out there does 6? Nobody, I tell you! It works for everybody, we can add another sh*tactular movie to our list, and at the same time continue the razzie tradition of being not quite the norm in terms of award shows.

After the Oscars changed to 10,a lot of the big award shows tried to copy that. The People's Choice went from 3 to 5,and the MTV Movie Awards have 6 noms instead of 5 for Best Breakout Star. But mainly, the Emmys went from 5 to 6 except in Oustanding Drama/Comedy Series, which sometimes have 7. 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: If you're looking for logic where award shows are concerned, steer clear of the Emmys -- If you look over their history, they are the only ones who could compete with the Golden Globs in terms of lack of consistency in their choices, and the rules by which the nominees are determined. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SchumacherH8ter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2011 at 5:04pm
I just had a thought; what if there's a tie between the fifth most voted on film on the nominating ballot?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2011 at 5:49pm
Exactly!All the more reason to do what I just said.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michaels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2011 at 12:41pm
Yep, like HeadRazz said, we just don't have the membership numbers to divide the votes between 10 choices. And it is our duty to keep denying Miguel of his wet dream (oh saturnwatcher, what have you started?!)!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zambio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2011 at 8:22pm
Yes, I agree with Joel Kessell -- 5 makes sense, and feels good . It works best when u choose the top 3 or top 5, rather than top 10...  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AndyDuke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 8:37am
I agree 5 nominees is best
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Wow my post had quite a turnoutLOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bamablogger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2011 at 6:07pm
Just a thought... take the 10 most recommended and only the "top" 5 get to be voted on for the final awards... the lower 5 would be dishonorable mentions... or something like that?  Thoughts?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2011 at 8:58am
Lots of critics put out an annual "10 Worst" list, which is effectively what your idea amounts to. The purpose of the Razzies is to name a Worst Picture as a counterpoint to the Oscar's Best Picture. Let's not get into clogging the drains and just keep doing what we already do.  


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brent00 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2011 at 3:27pm
You make good points, Vheid. I'd have to agree!   

Originally posted by Vheid


I am against 10 nominees in the Worst Picture-category because of two reasons:

1) The amount of movies on the nomination-ballot will increase which makes it... What's the word... The English equivelant of the Dutch words/terms "onoverzichtelijk" or "het overzicht verliezen" (forgive me people.. I am sleep deprived)

2) I also fear that voters will choose more the mixed-reviewed big blockbuster titles over the badly reviewed Box-Office Bombs (imaging a list filled with films like last years Twilight Eclipse....). Leaving a mark on the creditabillity of the Razzies 
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