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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by Vits Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 22 2010 at 7:29pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />There's another plothole, everyone in the hotel fully accepts that they are living in the middle of a bedtime story.</td></tr></table> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" ="Apple-style-span"><FONT face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">You know I try my best to admit when you're right...but when you say things like that...I mean,it's a fantasy movie!</FONT></SPAN></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>I understand that, but even fantasy movies have their limits as to when we can't believe in them any more, and being self-aware of themseleves is one of those limits. Would anyone take any of the "Lord of the Rings" movies seriously if all of a sudden some character told everyone that they are in the middle of a fairy tale ... and everyone belived him!? "We have to get rid of the One Ring, not because the fate of Middle Earth depends on it, but because that's what happens in the novels and we must go along with whatever was written in them!". <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>See, that's when the movie starts to become a parody, and that's where "LITW" nuked the fridge, so to speak. I can accept creatures from another world visiting our planet, I have no problem with that. But normal, everyday people accepting that they are not living in the real world, they are all part of some bedtime story (or in the critic's case, a movie)&nbsp;that is being played out, AND, they believe this because some naked girl in a shower tells them&nbsp;so ... that's where I draw a line, as did many critics and audience members, too.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :   Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurnThere&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 22 2010 at 5:43pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />There's another plothole, everyone in the hotel fully accepts that they are living in the middle of a bedtime story.</td></tr></table><div><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">You know I try my best to admit when you're right...but when you say things like that...I mean,it's a fantasy movie!</font></span></div>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by moviewizguyI...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 22 2010 at 5:14pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br />I stand corrected. I've seen other clips of the actress and she speaks perfectly fine but I don't think it's stereotypical the way she talked in LitW. She played a character who was fresh off the boat and there are many scenes where she doesn't talk in a whiny voice that you make it out to be, especially the latter half of the film when things are at stake.<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Well thank you for admitting that. Problem is that her accent in the movie is so&nbsp;over the top that it's laugh out loud funny and it makes it very hard to take the character seriously, especially when she's meant to say something of dramatic value. I mean when she said "It's time to prove to some fairy tales are real", I was cracking up, not only because of her accent but because that was such a f***ing stupid line. There's another plothole, everyone in the hotel fully accepts that they are living in the middle of a bedtime story ... oh and there's a character named Story, too. Yeah, this truly was the beginning of the end for M. Night.]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :   Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurnOkay,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 22 2010 at 1:23pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />Okay, watch&nbsp;any and all&nbsp;movies where Ken is speaking English. He sounds the same in everyone. Why? Because that's how he talks. Now, I don't know of anything else the Asian girl from "LITW" starred in, but I highly doubt that she would be getting steady work here in America if that painful accent was her real voice. But if it is, she is going to have a VERY limited amount of roles. Her bio says she was born in California back in 1970, so she doesn't have an excuse about&nbsp;that accent unless that is what directors ask of her and she wants jobs so badly, she stopped caring about how she comes across.</td></tr></table><br>I stand corrected. I've seen other clips of the actress and she speaks perfectly fine but I don't think it's stereotypical the way she talked in LitW. She played a character who was fresh off the boat and there are many scenes where she doesn't talk in a whiny voice that you make it out to be, especially the latter half of the film when things are at stake.<br>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by saturnwatcherI&amp;#039;ve...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 8:14pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by saturnwatcher</strong></em><br /><br />I've seen quite a number of interviews with Ken Watanabe. He speaks English very well, but with an accent typical of people who's native language is Japanese. My guess is that Burn has probably similarly seen interviews with Mr. Watanabe. So either&nbsp;Mr. Watanabe&nbsp;is putting us all on for no reason whatsoever, or he has an accent.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Exactly, hence, Ken's accent can't be used as an example of a double standard, because that's how the man talks.]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? : I&amp;#039;ve seen quite a number...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">saturnwatcher</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 7:56pm<br /><br />I've seen quite a number of interviews with Ken Watanabe. He speaks English very well, but with an accent typical of people who's native language is Japanese. My guess is that Burn has probably similarly seen interviews with Mr. Watanabe. So either&nbsp;Mr. Watanabe&nbsp;is putting us all on for no reason whatsoever, or he has an accent. ]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by moviewizguyYou...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 7:55pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br />You really shouldn't say things like that. You don't even know the two yet you're trying to present a case as if you know how those two actors speak in real life when all you're doing is assuming.<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Okay, watch&nbsp;any and all&nbsp;movies where Ken is speaking English. He sounds the same in everyone. Why? Because that's how he talks. Now, I don't know of anything else the Asian girl from "LITW" starred in, but I highly doubt that she would be getting steady work here in America if that painful accent was her real voice. But if it is, she is going to have a VERY limited amount of roles. Her bio says she was born in California back in 1970, so she doesn't have an excuse about&nbsp;that accent unless that is what directors ask of her and she wants jobs so badly, she stopped caring about how she comes across.]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :   Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurnWell,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 6:48pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />Well, you do have a point there ... oh no, wait, you don't! Because&nbsp;Ken Watanabe&nbsp;was born in and raised for most of his life in&nbsp;Japan, and as a result, English is not his first language. So it would be natural for him to speak in the manner that he does (as you can tell from oh, EVERY English speaking role he does), where as the actress in "LITW" was clearly doing a fake accent and a really bad, over the top&nbsp;one at that. OOPS, sorry, but thanks for playing!</td></tr></table><br>You really shouldn't say things like that. You don't even know the two yet you're trying to present a case as if you know how those two actors speak in real life when all you're doing is assuming.<br>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by moviewizguyUmmm...I...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 5:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br />Ummm...I was&nbsp; never trying to change your opinion on LitW. I was merely pointing out the flaws of peoples' reasons for not liking the film: Two completely different things. I don't expect you to know that, though. Also, for that whole stereotype argument you had for the film, it's ok for Ken Watanabe to talk in an Asian accent in <I>Inception</I> even more incoherent than the character in LitW yet it's racist when it's done in an MNS film? Yeah, that's my entire point. <BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Well, you do have a point there ... oh no, wait, you don't! Because&nbsp;Ken Watanabe&nbsp;was born in and raised for most of his life in&nbsp;Japan, and as a result, English is not his first language. So it would be natural for him to speak in the manner that he does (as you can tell from oh, EVERY English speaking role he does), where as the actress in "LITW" was clearly doing a fake accent and a really bad, over the top&nbsp;one at that. OOPS, sorry, but thanks for playing! <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Game show host jokes aside, I can understand why Nolan had to cast Watanabe in this role. 1. Nolan&nbsp;does repeat casting in most of&nbsp;his movies (Michael Caine any one?). 2. I highly doubt that Warner Bros. would be willing to let Nolan cast just any Japanese actor in to a major supporting role in a major motion picture, it had to be someone that American movie goers knew and has had great work on his resume (say like being an Oscar nominated actor and starring in three Oscar nominated movies), so Watanabe fit the bill. Yes, his accent and speech patterns were hard to understand at times, but they were by no means intended to be racist in nature. The same CAN NOT be said about the Asian girl in "LITW". Need proof? Watch Mickey Roony in "Breaskfast At Tiffany's", whose role&nbsp;is universally considered the most racist portrayal of an Asian character in the history of Hollywood movie making. He sounded just like the girl in "LITW" did. The only difference between the two roles, at least "LITW" bothered to hire a person of actual Asian descent.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And there's no flaw in&nbsp;hating the movie because it's all about M. Night writing a love letter to himself. The subtext is not "no one really knows their role in life is" or "everyone has a reason for being", it's clearly "I'm M. Night f***ing Shyamalan, the greatest thing to happen to motion pictures&nbsp;in the past decade! Any critic who disagrees with me is a douche and should die, my writing will make me immortal, and I can make a movie based on bedtime stories I tell my kids because I am that damn good!".&nbsp; But to you, denial ("Da Nile")&nbsp;is just a river in Egypt.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And the&nbsp;FACTS still rest, he won 2 Razzies for that movie,&nbsp;this movie&nbsp;was a critical failure and is all but forgotten now, it damaged his public image, and was the beginning of the downward spiral that his career is now in.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :   Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurnI...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 2:26pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />I don't care what your stance is on "BJM". My&nbsp;whole point is&nbsp;not wasting time going to "BJM" fan forums on a monthly basis&nbsp;and ranting about how I don't care for the movie or trying to convince the other members that they are wrong for liking the movie. However, MWG refuses to follow that example with his&nbsp;postings about his M. Night obsessions.</td></tr></table><br>Ummm...I was&nbsp; never trying to change your opinion on LitW. I was merely pointing out the flaws of peoples' reasons for not liking the film: Two completely different things. I don't expect you to know that, though. Also, for that whole stereotype argument you had for the film, it's ok for Ken Watanabe to talk in an Asian accent in <i>Inception</i> even more incoherent than the character in LitW yet it's racist when it's done in an MNS film? Yeah, that's my entire point. <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0" alt="T&#111;ngue" title="T&#111;ngue" /><br>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by VitsRead...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 11:43am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" ="Apple-style-span"><FONT face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">Read the whole sentence!I wasn't talking about your thoughts on Shyamalan,but about your thoughts on MALKOVICH.</FONT></SPAN></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>I don't care what your stance is on "BJM". My&nbsp;whole point is&nbsp;not wasting time going to "BJM" fan forums on a monthly basis&nbsp;and ranting about how I don't care for the movie or trying to convince the other members that they are wrong for liking the movie. However, MWG refuses to follow that example with his&nbsp;postings about his M. Night obsessions.]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? : Read the whole sentence!I wasn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 21 2010 at 9:49am<br /><br /><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Read the whole sentence!I wasn't talking about your thoughts on Shyamalan,but about your thoughts on MALKOVICH.</font></span>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by VitsSorry,Moviewizguy,he&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 20 2010 at 1:55pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" Apple-style-span="Apple-style-span"><FONT face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" Apple-style-span="Apple-style-span">Sorry,<B>Moviewizguy</B>,he's right.But not for the reasons he thinks.</FONT></SPAN></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Okay, so you're saying using common sense is wrong and trying in vain to convince a message board full of people who hold the polar opposite opinion as you to change that opinion is a good idea? The real reason you won't get the better of me, saturnwatcher, Headrazz or anyone else here who thinks M. Night's career is in the toilet now is because we have these useful things called facts to back us. Facts that HeadRazz, saturnwatcher, and I have all listed time and time again against M. Night that can't be denied, that&nbsp;has caused him to reach the low point in his career that he is in right now. But as I mentioned, MWG just sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "lalalalalala" because he doesn't want to hear it, nor does he seem to care. Again, please, use common sense, don't post your ideals in a forum that has&nbsp;a strong stance against&nbsp;that ideal.]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Sorry,Moviewizguy,he&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 20 2010 at 1:30pm<br /><br /><span Apple-style-span="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font Apple-style-span="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Sorry,<b>Moviewizguy</b>,he's right.But not for the reasons he thinks.If we use his dislike for a good movie as an arguement in every fight we won't be better than him.</font></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 19 2010 at 5:17pm<br /><br /><div>At least I don't go around "Being John Malkovich"&nbsp;message boards&nbsp;trying to convince its fans that they are wrong for liking the movie, because I know&nbsp;full well that none of them will agree with me, no matter what I say. It's a little something we like to call common sense. Like for example, if you're a Boston Celtics fans, clearly you don't post how much you love that team on an LA Lakers' forum, because you will be the forum's punching bag and running joke ... which is what you are to this forum.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Or say, if a certain forum strongly believes that a certain director shouldn't be respected because his last four movies were financial or critical failures, and his public image is&nbsp;so negatively looked upon&nbsp;to the point&nbsp;he may never be able to restore it (because, well, these are FACTS), a person with&nbsp;common sense&nbsp;would&nbsp;understand he shouldn't waste&nbsp;his time&nbsp;trying to convince the forum's members to reconsider their views of this director, because they will never agree with him, no matter what he says. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br />And you're in a small minority that Being John Malkovich was a bad film. Your point is...?<br></td></tr></table></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 19 2010 at 4:05pm<br /><br />You're in a small minority saying that Being John Malkovich was a bad film. Your point is...? &nbsp;<br><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Yeah, I know, but I was simply answering MWG's questions, using the same reasoning that you did above. But in true MWG fashion, he just sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "lalalalala, Shymamalan is still a master of his craft, lalalalala". Much like Miguel refusing to admit Hollywood is ruining their own history by remaking classics that are fine the way they were, MWG refuses to accept the&nbsp;FACT that he is of a VERY small minority who still gives a damn about M. Nut's career, past or present.</div></td></tr></table></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 19 2010 at 10:35am<br /><br /><div>Yeah, I know, but I was simply answering MWG's questions, using the same reasoning that you did above. But in true MWG fashion, he just sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "lalalalala, Shymamalan is still a master of his craft, lalalalala". Much like Miguel refusing to admit Hollywood is ruining their own history by remaking classics that are fine the way they were, MWG refuses to accept the&nbsp;FACT that he is of a VERY small minority who still gives a damn about M. Nut's career, past or present.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3">HeadRAZZBerry</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 19 2010 at 7:58am<br /><br /><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: large;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><b><font ="apple-style-span"="" color="#CC0033">RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry:</font></b> All this back-and-forth over an all-but-forgotten movie that most everyone agrees was the beginning of the end for Shyamalan's career is kinda ridiculous -- As is comparing M. Night with <b>Chris Nolan</b>.&nbsp;</font></span><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: large;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><br></font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: large;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif">From almost any perspective (financial, critical, public perception) at this point in time Nolan would have to be acknowledged as the superior/more "successful" of the two. Simply put, with the back-to-back smashes DARK KNIGHT and INCEPTION, Nolan's career is clearly on the ascendant, while the back-to-back-to-back disappointments of LADY IN THE WATER, THE HAPPENING and LAST AIRBENDER, indicate Shyamalan's career is, at best, on life support... &nbsp;</font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: large;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><br></font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: large;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><br></font></span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 17 2010 at 1:08pm<br /><br /><DIV></DIV>And this all started because you asked why people hate "LITW", and I gave you a reply, as well as a listing of reasons why Nolan is more respected than M. Night by the movie industry at large. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I know you think M. Night is a god among morals, but to many, his movies are becoming one failure after another. I understand you like said performance here or said scene there, but to the rest of us here, these things are like diamonds inside of a cowpie. Yes, they are nice diamonds, but the overpowering stink of the cow s*** makes it hard for us to see the diamonds. You can easily see the diamonds through the s***, but we don't single out a performance here or a scene there, we judge a movie as a whole.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I know every so many amount of months you like to come back here and defend "Village" or "LITW", or "Happening", but doing so HERE is an epic waste of time. You're not going to change anyone's mind about M. Night's failing career, or that he's not Razzie material, or that we should take back the Razzies he was awarded, etc.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>You want to praise M. Night, do it on&nbsp;whatever fan sites he might have or on IMDb, because we just don't f***ing care about him at this site and you can rant on about how great you think he is, we're just going to roll our eyes about it. It's like the old joke goes, a man goes to his doctor and says "Doc, it hurts when I do this", and the doctor replies "Then don't do that". You don't want meaningless arguements about M. Night, then don't post about him here, because the Razzie verdict on him was casted long ago and it's not ever changing.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 17 2010 at 12:33pm<br /><br />I wasn't hating on Nolan -- I was saying that sometimes, he makes the same mistakes as MNS. Yet people bash on MNS for those mistakes, and praise Nolan while ignoring those same mistakes. &nbsp;<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 17 2010 at 9:07am<br /><br /><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">My ratings of Nolan's movies are:&nbsp;<br></font></span><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">MEMENTO:10/10&nbsp;</font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">"BATMAN" BEGINS:6/10&nbsp;</font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">THE PRESTIGE:4/10&nbsp;</font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">THE DARK KNIGHT:8/10&nbsp;</font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">INCEPTION:8/10&nbsp;</font></span></div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 8:30pm<br /><br />Wow, MWG, you're one to talk -- the master of pulling things out of the air to suit your opinions. As I mentioned with Vits, although not all of these twists happened at the end, they are still twists that OVERSHADOW and/or ALTER the rest of the story. So regardless of where they are during the movie, M. Night's movies are full of overshadowing twists. And yes, M. Night's twists are his main selling point because he made the mistake of having them in EVERY movie he makes. As a result, twists have become his trademark and that is why people stopped going to his movies -- because ending with a big twist is no longer enough of an excuse&nbsp;to bother seeing his movies. And then he followedup &nbsp;by forgetting how to make a good movie in general.&nbsp;<div>&nbsp;</div><div>But hey if you want to stop with this "Are not, are too" arguments about M. Night, simply stop defending him in a forum that thinks he's a joke! But no, you have to be a sucker for punishment and keep coming back for more.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 8:23pm<br /><br /><div>Amazing, you <i>can</i> have good taste when you want to (although your love of the "out of 10" system is still flawed).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But still, why the hate? My theory remains "sour grapes." &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 8:10pm<br /><br /><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Close, but no cigar as to my opinion of Nolan (that was sarcasm, btw). Of the films he has made so far, here are my ratings:&nbsp;<br><br>Memento: 10/10&nbsp;</span></span></font><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>Batman Begins: </span></span></font><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">10/10&nbsp;<br>The Prestige: 6/10&nbsp;<br>The Dark Knight: 10/10&nbsp;<br>Inception: 8/10&nbsp;</span></span></font><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br><br>You were saying?</span><font ="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" style="font-size: medium; "> &nbsp;</font></span></font><br><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></font></div><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 16px; font-size: 12px; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br /><font size="3" face="Calibri">You know, I read over some of moviewizguy’s comments and posts, and I think I figured his taste in movies out. Based on what I have read, MWG is one of those sensitive, in touch with his emotions kind of guys who loves a movie with tear-jerking, lump in the throat moments. And of course, M. Night has provided him with several movies fitting that description. But this hatred for Chris Nolan, what is that all about? I know what it is: jealousy and bitterness.</font></td></tr></table></span></span></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 8:06pm<br /><br />Stop pulling things out of thin air -- #1, 2, and 4 had <i>true</i> twist endings. <i>Signs</i> is more of a revelation instead of a twist but it definitely depends what one's definition of a twist ending is. LitW, as said several posts earlier, has a PLOT twist. You know the difference between a twist ENDING and a PLOT twist? Apparently, not. And did you see <i>The Happening</i> at all? They revealed that within 20 minutes of the freaking film. You're also missing MNS's first two films, which don't have twists. Thus, more than half of his films don't have twists.<br><br>And no, MNS's twist aren't the main selling point of his films. They are part of the story if you even bothered to pay attention to his films. But anyway, I can foresee that we're going to argue like "Are not!" and "Are too!" so it's pretty pointless arguing. &nbsp;<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br /><font size="2">Oh, deny, deny, deny. Shall I count the ways?</font><div><font size="2">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font size="2">1. "Sixth Sense", Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.</font></div><div><font size="2">2. "Unbreakable", Samuel L. Jackson caused all the accidents.</font></div><div><font size="2">3. "Signs", everything that happened to the family happen just to fight off the aliens.</font></div><div><font size="2">4. "Village", it's actually a modern day closed off community.</font></div><div><font size="2">5. "LITW", they got all the roles of the story wrong.</font></div><div><font size="2">6. "Happening", it's all the trees' doing!</font></div><div><font size="2">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font size="2">Although not all "endings", still twists. Yeah, Nolan has his own, but they are part of the storytelling,&nbsp;not the main selling point or trademark.</font></div></td></tr></table></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 5:36pm<br /><br />Yeah, but that's the difference between Nolan and M. Night -- Nolan's twists are just plot points, M. Night's twists alter the entire plot and overshadow the rest of the story. That's the point I'm trying to make. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />"Dark Knight" didn't have a twist. Nor did "Insomnia".</td></tr></table><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium; "><font face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="apple-style-span"="">At the end of DARK KNIGHT, the title character decides to take the blame for the death of HARVEY DENT. The twist didn't completely alter the whole plot, but it was still a twist.</font></span></div></td></tr></table></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 1:19pm<br /><br /><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">At the end of DARK KNIGHT, the title character decides to take the blame for the death of HARVEY DENT. The twist didn't completely alter the whole plot, but it was still a twist...&nbsp;</font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><br></font></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 16px; font-size: 12px; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />"Dark Knight" didn't have a twist. Nor did "Insomnia".</td></tr></table></span></font></span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 11:36am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>You know, I read over some of moviewizguy’s comments and posts, and I think I figured his taste in movies out. Based on what I have read, MWG is one of those sensitive, in touch with his emotions kind of guys who loves a movie with tear-jerking, lump in the throat moments. And of course, M. Night has provided him with several movies fitting that description. But this hatred for Chris Nolan, what is that all about? I know what it is: jealousy and bitterness.</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>See, ten years ago, M. Night was on top of the world, making the Oscar worthy blockbuster, “Sixth Sense”. He was the golden boy, the next big thing, and nothing was going to stop him. A year or two later, along comes Nolan with the Oscar worthy art house masterpiece, “Memento”. Granted, M. Night had nothing to fear at the time because he was more the Hollywood guy while Nolan was more the indie guy.</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Years passed and both writer/directors kept making movies, but then there was the turning point. M. Night fell on hard times with the back to back turkeys of the underperforming “Village” and the Razzie winning “Lady In The Water”, while Nolan’s career took off with “Batman Begins”. Just a mild setback for M. Night? NO! He followed up his two failures with his so-called “B Movie” and Razzie nominee “Happening” and then followed that up with the critically ravaged “Last Air Bender”. Meanwhile, Nolan had two back to back critical and commercial hits with “Dark Knight” and “Inception”. Oh yes, it was safe to say that M. Night’s reign as the golden boy came to an end and Nolan had taken the crown.</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>But&nbsp;why is MWG so bitter? Well, M. Night and Nolan are polar opposites, as different as day and night (no pun intended). M. Night, as I stated above, is all about the lump in the throat moments that MWG loves so dearly, with the moral or message that everything in life will turn out okay. Not so with Nolan, a man who some may claim is too intellectual for his own good. His movies tell the gloomy truth that life isn’t perfect or fair, and sometimes, there are no happy endings. Clearly MWG is attached to M. Night and considers his movies to speak directly to him. M. Night was the man of the hour, and MWG was one of his backers. But that’s not the case anymore. M. Night has fallen from grace, very, very far. And now Nolan is the new King. MWG, he’s just jealous of the success of the man who is the polar opposite of his hero, a man who is still respected by critics and audiences alike, while his hero is mocked at every turn.</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>So try as he might to discredit Nolan’s movies, the sad fact is MWG is talking to a brick wall. No one (ourside Vits, of course)&nbsp;will agree with him that M. Night still has talent left, that he’s not an egomaniac, or that his career will rise from the ashes. It’s too late now; too many bridges have been burned. Frankly, it’s rather sad that MWG can’t come to grip with the sad reality that he is of an ever shrinking minority who still thinks M. Night is a good filmmaker. And one can only imagine how further bitter he will become if (or when) “Last Air Bender” wins a good handful of Razzies next year.</FONT></P>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? : &amp;#034;Those two things you described...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 10:59am<br /><br /><DIV><FONT size=2>"Those two things you described were also very pedestrian."</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Ah, try very original, and bringing movies back to the classic ways they were made.&nbsp;Not to mention these scenes&nbsp;will no doubt become iconic in the years to come. No one will remember "Fart Bender" or "LITW" ten years from now.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>"Most were all in one shot." </FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>And it was the worst damn shot of the whole movie, although considering how badly the movie sucks, that's saying alot.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>"He has made twist endings to a <I>lot</I> of his films and more than half of the films MNS made had no twist endings so I don't know what you're trying to do here."<BR></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Oh, deny, deny, deny. Shall I count the ways?</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>1. "Sixth Sense", Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>2. "Unbreakable", Samuel L. Jackson caused all the accidents.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>3. "Signs", everything that happened to the family happen just to fight off the aliens.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>4. "Village", it's actually a modern day closed off community.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>5. "LITW", they got all the roles of the story wrong.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>6. "Happening", it's all the trees' doing!</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Although not all "endings", still twists. Yeah, Nolan has his own, but they are part of the storytelling,&nbsp;not the main selling point or trademark.</FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <title>A Truly DRIPPY &quot;Thriller&quot; ? ? :  Originally posted by Vits Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1159<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 16 2010 at 10:52am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br />Nolan hasn't made twist endings the trademark of&nbsp;EVERY single movie he has done to the point people no longer care about the rest of the movie. Nolan still knows how to write good screenplays. Nolan made the third highest grossing movie of all time.</td></tr></table> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" ="Apple-style-span"><FONT face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">1)The only movie without a twist ending is "BATMAN" BEGINS.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" ="Apple-style-span"><FONT face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">2)It's the 7th actually.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>1). "Dark Knight" didn't have a twist. Nor did "Insomnia".<DIV>2). Once again, I'm going by USA gross only, not worldwide.</DIV>]]>
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