The Official RAZZIE® Forum : Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? http://www.razzies.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; The Official RAZZIE® Forum : Disagree w/Any Past RAZZIES®?? : Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? Mon, 20 May 2013 23:05:15 +0000 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:29:41 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.70 360 www.razzies.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4515 The Official RAZZIE® Forum http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_images/RazzieLogo02.gif http://www.razzies.com/forum/ Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : It's not so much what's... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=34021#34021 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 12:29pm

It's not so much what's implied, it's how it's presented. What's presented in "TCM" shouldn't be witnessed by children.

]]> Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:29:41 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=34021#34021 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : To HeadRazz dude: No. Im just... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33999#33999 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 8:36am

To HeadRazz dude: No. Im just saying deaths off screen arent any less horrific than deaths on screen. It's what's implied and not shown than can be truley disturbing. But yeah, Hunchback aint really for kids.

]]> Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:36:37 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33999#33999 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Oh yeah. Of the two ("Hunchback"... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33953#33953 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 6:24pm

Oh yeah. Of the two ("Hunchback" and "Incredibles") "Hunchback" is in no way for childern!]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:24:07 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33953#33953 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Agreed. But as for the hunchback... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33938#33938 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 2:28pm

Agreed. But as for the hunchback of notre dame, that film was about relegious intolerance, racisim, disfigurement and even featured a  song about rape, hell, and sin (Hellfire is the title, the scene with it can be found on youtube, and the animation is brilliant). It seems very complex and for adults, though the film was marketed towards children. ]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:28:06 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33938#33938 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Yeah, but "TCM" is a... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33928#33928 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 11:06am

Yeah, but "TCM" is a horror movie in every way of being dark and scary from start to finish. Off-screen deaths aside, "Incredibles" is still a very comical and lighthearted movie.]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:06:05 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33928#33928 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Texas Chainsaw Massacre features... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33913#33913 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 8:15pm

Texas Chainsaw Massacre features deaths and violent acts shown off screen, but I still find it horrific anyway. Thogh most kids are too dumb to even follow basic plots anyways... 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Surely you're not suggesting that TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE is something that, in any conceivable way, should be shown to children???????????  
]]> Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:15:12 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33913#33913 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Children should be frightened... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33906#33906 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 6:24pm

Children should be frightened by the off-screen deaths of superheroes with whom we never really make a connection? And even with the capes-are-bad parody, the heroes in that case all died comedic deaths, hardly all that dark.
]]> Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:24:41 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33906#33906 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : But the mass extermination of... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33891#33891 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 12 2010 at 9:45pm

But the mass extermination of superheros? That seems a little dark to me. I mean srsly...a superhero holocaust! Oh well, six seems a pretty good age to strt i guess.]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:45:59 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33891#33891 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Sorry fellas, but I believe... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33883#33883 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 12 2010 at 8:57pm

Sorry fellas, but I believe that children should be made aware of death, rather than it be kept a mystery that they don't understand. I'm not saying it's a concept that should be taught to them as soon as they are able to speak, but it's something that they should know about. And like I said, the ripe age to do so would be around 6 years. Personally, I don't find it all that shocking for a villain in a kids' movie to display a disregard for human life, as this is a common staple of Hollywood bad guys and an extreme that certain people would be willing to take in order to achieve his/her goals based on his/her outlook on life and society.]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:57:17 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33883#33883 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : So ur saying if the realities... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33851#33851 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 10:34pm

So ur saying if the realities are grim and true, its ok to show to kids? I doubt it. Would you want your kids knowing about death and betrayl and the difficulties of ageing and family at certain young ages? I wouldn't. I'd still say six is a pretty good age to start tho, so agree with you there.]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:34:09 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33851#33851 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Exactly. The scene where the villain... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33844#33844 Author: moviewizguy
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 9:31pm

Exactly. The scene where the villain decided to kill the kids was shocking as well.  

Originally posted by ramonesun

I find the film was dark by childrens standards. You had death through plane engine chopping u up, then there was the extermination of hundreds of heros, the reality of death, coming to terms with failure and old age, and the responsiblilties of adulthood. Those don't seem like the themes and events of childrens films. So bravo disney, you can give adults a thrill ride as well!
]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:31:31 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33844#33844 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : By those standards, Bambi is the... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33835#33835 Author: saturnwatcher
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 7:59pm

By those standards, Bambi is the darkest movie ever made. I think Walt Disney understood that we don't need to completely shelter children from some of the more difficult realities of life.]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:59:26 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33835#33835 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Originally posted by ramonesunI... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33834#33834 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 7:53pm

Originally posted by ramonesun

I find the film was dark by childrens standards. You had death through plane engine chopping u up, then there was the extermination of hundreds of heros, the reality of death, coming to terms with failure and old age, and the responsiblilties of adulthood. Those don't seem like the themes and events of childrens films. So bravo disney, you can give adults a thrill ride as well!
Hey, they may seem like grim realities, but they are realities none the less. And while some may consider them "dark themes", no one really died on-screen. And rule of thumb in cartoons, so long as they don't die on-screen, it's safe for kids. At the most, kids under 6 shouldn't see it, that simple.
]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:53:32 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33834#33834 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : I find the film was dark by childrens... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33820#33820 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 11:46am

I find the film was dark by childrens standards. You had death through plane engine chopping u up, then there was the extermination of hundreds of heros, the reality of death, coming to terms with failure and old age, and the responsiblilties of adulthood. Those don't seem like the themes and events of childrens films. So bravo disney, you can give adults a thrill ride as well!]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:46:58 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33820#33820 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Originally posted by moviewizguy"The... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33779#33779 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 7:56pm

Originally posted by moviewizguy

"The Incredibles" was a really dark movie. I was shocked when I first saw it because I thought it would be light and funny, but there's a part in the film that was depressing to watch.
Dark? There's barely anything dark about except characters have to deal with the very real reality of death. You just think it's dark when compared to the rainbows and everyone's happy fluff that Disney usually puts out. "Incredibles" was no darker than any PG movie made before it.]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:56:06 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33779#33779 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : "The Incredibles" was... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33777#33777 Author: moviewizguy
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 7:39pm

"The Incredibles" was a really dark movie. I was shocked when I first saw it because I thought it would be light and funny, but there's a part in the film that was depressing to watch.]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:39:18 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33777#33777 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Oh, well, perhaps because it had... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33758#33758 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 6:10pm

Oh, well, perhaps because it had adult themes in it, so I guess it was being awarded for being bold for a Disney movie. "The Incredibles" deserved their screenwriting nod for being a fun and well-written animated action movie.]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:10:28 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33758#33758 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : yup, the hunchback of notre dame... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33751#33751 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 3:07pm

yup, the hunchback of notre dame]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:07:00 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33751#33751 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : The Hunchback of Notre Dame? ... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33749#33749 Author: Mraspiringactor
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 2:38pm

The Hunchback of Notre Dame?]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:38:09 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33749#33749 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : It helps if we knew what movie... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33741#33741 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 1:32pm

It helps if we knew what movie you're talking about. "THOND" doesn't mean much to anyone here.]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:32:02 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33741#33741 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : I agree. I thought the screenplay... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33734#33734 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 12:50pm

I agree. I thought the screenplay was tough and dark compared to the dribble and drek of the happy go lucky disney films of later years. Lessons on racial and religious intolerance, and even implied rape are all infused into a childrens animated flick quite well.]]> Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:50:25 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33734#33734 Did Disney's HUNCHBACK deserve a screenplay nom? : Now granted it wasn't... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4515&PID=33726#33726 Author: Mraspiringactor
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Posted: August 09 2010 at 8:19pm

Now granted it wasn't a perfect script:
-The molten lava at the end was obviously put in for dramatic effect
-The gargoyles weren't really funny and some of their comments were random
-A Guy Like You didn't really flow with everything else

That's about all I remember. However even though it wasn't a perfect script did it really deserve a Razzie nom? If you think so could you please explain why without saying "it's not true to the book"? 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: No, I can't answer you without saying "It's not true to the book." Like Disney's hideous 1951 "re-imagining" of ALICE IN WONDERLAND, HUNCHBACK took a classic novel and turned it into all but unrecognizable treacle, something the half dozen or so previous screen adaptations of NOTRE DAME (including the 1925 Lon Chaney silent classic and the 1939 Charles Laughton version) did not find it necessary to do. As someone who respects the intentions of original authors (especially authors of classic works of literature) I find it indefensible when modern Hollywood not only bastardizes the tone and intend of a famous novel, but then has the added gall to not even credit the original author (in this case, Victor Hugo) anywhere in the film's advertising or screen credits. To me, that is the berry definition of "adding insult to injury."  

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