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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... : I just saw EASY A,and gave it...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 05 2011 at 2:43pm<br /><br /><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">I just saw EASY A,and gave it 8/10.</font><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><br></font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Why am I mentioning it now...and here?Well,it turns out <b>Emma Stone</b> left this movie to star in EASY A <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" />.</font></div>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :  Originally posted by VitsNo,no.There&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 21 2011 at 6:56pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">No,no.There's a difference between "sexy" and "sex-bomb".</FONT></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Well, Emily is neither, and shouldn't be casted as such.]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... : No,no.There&amp;#039;s a difference...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 21 2011 at 3:42pm<br /><br /><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">No,no.There's a difference between "sexy" and "sex-bomb".</font>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :  Originally posted by jesse685 Sleeping...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 21 2011 at 3:34pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jesse685</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp;<DIV><FONT>Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.</FONT></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Yes, many of those reviews are calling it bad taste for casting Emily Browning in the role that she plays, again, because she looks too young. She's appearing in her underwear, at one point, she gets naked, at another point, she's in bed with a man old enough to be her grandfather ... see why I'm telling Hollywood to not hire her in sexy roles? And yes, Vits, while YOU might not count Baby Roll as a sexy role, MANY&nbsp;other people&nbsp;do.]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :   Originally posted by jesse685Sleeping...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 21 2011 at 10:11am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jesse685</strong></em><br /><br /><div><font style=": #e9dbb1">Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.</font></div></td></tr></table><br>I thought it got decent reviews. Oh, whatever. The trailer looked very interesting though.<br>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :  GTA,you gorgot to color the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 21 2011 at 6:38am<br /><br /><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><b>GTA</b>,you gorgot to color the years!<img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" />&nbsp;Also,people always think I'm 15.Once,in a really dark place,and with my hair a little long,they thought I was a girl.Ironically,it takes a lot of balls to admit that.<img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></font><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />Note to Hollywood, Emily Browning is NOT sexy looking, she looks like she belongs&nbsp;in junior high school; stop casting her in sex bomb roles! Give these roles to ... Emmy Rossum instead. She can act and judging by her TV series, "Shameless", she doesn't mind having to take her clothes off.</td></tr></table></div><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; color: rgb0, 0, 0; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-weight: normal; ">At first I thought you were being sarcastic,because she also has an innocent beauty.But looking back at the movies were she dressed sexy,it didn't bother me.But I still wouldn't cast her in a sex-bomb role(I don't think </span><b>BABYDOLL</b> was one).</div></font><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviecritic123</strong></em><br /><br />I actually liked this movie. It's not anything great but I had fun with it. Vanessea Hudginsens looks kinda hot with a machine gun.</td></tr></table></div></div><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">That is exactly the response the makers expected.I just hope you didn't like it <u>just</u> for that reason.</font></div><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jesse685</strong></em><br /><br />Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.</td></tr></table></div><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; ">Oh,I'm sure it got a huge amount of "something" from the movie's target audience.I hope someone gets this joke.</div></font></div>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :  Originally posted by VitsOh,so...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9875">jesse685</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 11:55pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">Oh,so it's not because of the school girl outfit?Yeah,that wouldn't be fair.A lot of grown men like watching women of any age in those and it doesn't mean they're pedophiles.</FONT><DIV><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">Actresses need to know what type of beauty they are.<B>Emily</B> is too child-looking.And I think that SLEEPING BEAUTY movie coming out will be worse.</FONT></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV><FONT style=": #e9dbb1"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT style=": #e9dbb1">Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.</FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... : I know that Hollywood plays an...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 11:54pm<br /><br />I know that Hollywood plays an age game with actors and actresses play younger roles when they are actually older, and older roles when they are actually younger. But when you cast an actress in a role that is going to be strongly sexual (in the case of "Sleeping Beauty"), DO NOT hire an actress who looks like she should be waiting outside of a&nbsp;middle school for her mother to pick her up. As shallow as it may sound, hire the actress who looks the part.]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... : Emily Browning looks like a preteen...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8230">GTAHater767</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 10:34pm<br /><br /><P><FONT>Emily Browning looks like a preteen despite being over 2 decades old? That's just a drop in the ocean! I easily notice when it happens:</P><DIV></DIV>*I mistook one of my calculus classmates, an Asian woman named Tran, who was born in 1979, for being in 1997. This is probably because she's short of stature, has 0% grey hair, fairly pale complexion, and a slim build. <DIV></DIV>*Last September, many of my old high school's 9th graders were 14 years old, but looked only 8. This year, some of the new high school freshmen look even younger! Some young girls I've seen in offices attest that&nbsp;their male&nbsp;classmates (middle school) look like they just got out of kindergarten, and after seeing one 8th grader who looked like age 6, I believe these girls. I would attribute this to lack of sunlight, high-tech medical care (including neo-natal care), and low caloric intake. <DIV></DIV>*As long as I don't have facial stubble, I look as young as 15 years old despite being 21. It figures, because I harbor an intense hatred towards fast food, tobacco, alcohol (usually), and hard drugs. I've been clean of McDonald's since April 2<FONT color=#ff0000>005</FONT>. I barely get any sun exposure, and I weigh only 130 lbs / 60 kg. <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So if Emily Browning has the face of an 11 year old, our youth may&nbsp;be as old as double the age of the characters they play&nbsp;if we're not to repeat this mistake.</DIV></FONT>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... : I actually liked this movie. It&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=66884">moviecritic123</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 9:51pm<br /><br />I actually liked this movie. It's not anything great but I had fun with it. Vanessea Hudginsens looks kinda hot with a machine gun.]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :  Originally posted by VitsOh,so...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 8:26pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">Oh,so it's not because of the school girl outfit?Yeah,that wouldn't be fair.A lot of grown men like watching women of any age in those and it doesn't mean they're pedophiles.</FONT><DIV><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">Actresses need to know what type of beauty they are.<B>Emily</B> is too child-looking.And I think that SLEEPING BEAUTY movie coming out will be worse.</FONT></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>The schoolgirl outfit still doesn't make any sense, but like I said, the leather and chainmail can be considered equally sexy to some male viewers. In the end, Emily Browning shouldn't have been casted for the role.&nbsp;And don't even get me started on "Sleeping Beauty"; you can't debate against the pedophile undertones to that movie! <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Note to Hollywood, Emily Browning is NOT sexy looking, she looks like she belongs&nbsp;in junior high school; stop casting her in sex bomb roles! Give these roles to ... Emmy Rossum instead. She can act and judging by her TV series, "Shameless", she doesn't mind having to take her clothes off.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 3:53pm<br /><br /><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Oh,so it's not because of the school girl outfit?Yeah,that wouldn't be fair.A lot of grown men like watching women of any age in those and it doesn't mean they're pedophiles.</font><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><br></font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Actresses need to know what type of beauty they are.<b>Emily</b> is too child-looking.And I think that SLEEPING BEAUTY movie coming out will be worse.</font></div>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :  Originally posted by VitsIf...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 3:23pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><FONT size=3 face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">If I may,I think you're both confusing the terms.Implying BABYDOLL and her sister were about to get raped was context,not undertone.The undertone has to do with their outfits,although I disagree on that.</FONT></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Yes, it was hinted that Baby Doll and her sister were about to be raped, but then there's the pedophile undertones that I have mentioned with a 12 year old looking Emily Browning running around in a schoolgirl outfit. Had Baby Doll been played by an actress who actually does look like she's 22 or older, and she wore a less revealing outfit, I wouldn't be making this arguement. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 20 2011 at 11:33am<br /><br /><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">If I may,I think you're both confusing the terms.Implying BABYDOLL and her sister were about to get raped was context,not undertone.The undertone has to do with their outfits,although I disagree on that.</font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 9:46pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Well, isn't it obvious they have to please both sides? In Hollywood, the best thing you can ever do is to balance the beam: You want to make what you wanna make, but you shouldn't forget about the masses. I still don't see how it's sexist (and to which gender?).</td></tr></table> <DIV>Okay, what kind of female empowerment message are you sending when the lead female is a 12 year old looking girl in a schoolgirl outfit and hypnoizes people with what is described as a semi-stripper dance?&nbsp;Further more,&nbsp;at one point, Sweet Pea points out how the "play" they were "acting" in can be looked at as being "sexy". I wouldn't call that a huge red flag, but it's almost like Snyder is phoning in his true intentions. Bottom line: if it looks, acts, and sounds like a duck, chances are, it's a duck.<BR><BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">But it's still appropriate for the style of the film.</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>Pedophile undertones are appropriate for a female empowerment movie? As I said, the leather and chainmail I can understand (and some would even consider that to be sexy), but a schoolgirl outfit, not really. The girls could have been all wearing IronMan like armor, and that could have been appropriate, too, but Snyder went the way of slutty cosplay-chic. Highly questionable choice.<BR><BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">I think the pedophilic undertone was purposefully left there, especially in the opening when the stepfather was going to get the little sister. Along with that, the whole dancing routine is just a way for her to fantasize about her getting to kick some ass. Sure, it may seem counter productive, but she's in a brothel. What do you expect her to do in order to fantasize about fighting?</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>The stuff with the little sister, I understand, but it shouldn't be carried over to the "older" sister (who still looks like she's barely 13), where the pedophile undertones were hinted at again near the end of the movie. I already laid out a perfectly natural way for the girls to enter the fantasy world without the use of a stripper dance, and it also removes the brothel setting all together, which again, is never explained why she's fantasizes about such a setting.<BR><BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">But the thing is that Snyder didn't make that story. Sure, the version you came up with is much simpler and easier to understand, but Snyder didn't think of that. I'm not saying that Sucker Punch has the best plot structure ever, but it's one of those films that you just have to go along with and not ask, "Why doesn't he do this instead?"</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>But that's not how a story works. If it's just one scene you're questioning, that's okay, but when it's the whole movie, the writer did something very wrong. A good story needs plot structure, otherwise, you failed at telling the story properly. You don't just throw events onto the screen and say "just go with it". And my version isn't so simple, if it was in the right hands, where everything is explained and the characters are fleshed out. Snyder didn't do any of this, his version of even simpler: just show a bunch of images&nbsp;and introduce characters and events without explaining what's going on, why or how it's happening, or who any of these peopler are.&nbsp;He seemed more concerned about getting the girls in tight little outfits and getting as much CGI on the screen as possible. That's bad storytelling, not art.<BR><BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Well, before all of that happens, it was already implied that the mental asylum is a corrupt place. Furthermore, we find out that the sisters were brought to the asylum in a shady manner. She steals chocolate because it's obvious that they get sh*t food to eat. It's like saying, "Why should I feel pity for a Jew in a camp when he's stealing bread?" The state the girls are in is bad enough and one doesn't have to go into deep reasoning to see why they do what they do.<BR></td></tr></table> </DIV><DIV>Okay, ONE scene that shows the girls might be under strict rules, but that's all. The Jews were tortured every waking moment of the day until they died. BIG difference, in fact, you can't seriously compare the two. That's like saying a&nbsp;paper cut is the same as&nbsp;losing a limb; it's not.&nbsp;Again, forget about the glorifed brothel, and stick with the horrors of the asylum, give us the idea the girls are in hell on earth. Getting slapped around alittle for stealing is not a hell on earth. Getting tortured morning, noon, and night, that's hell. And again, you can't use the excuse "oh just go along with it", because that's the laziest type of writing. There's no defending this movie as a properly told story.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 8:22pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />And I just realized this:&nbsp;MWG mentioned the girls dressing up like that because that's how girls in anime dress. The big problem with that is it's called "fan service", which is just a nice way of saying "T&amp;A". The anime girls are dressed that way to lure in horny teenage boys (or men). Yes, there are people in this world who get sexually aroused by cartoon women! So if MWG is trying to defend the movie not being sexist, that excuse is not helping his case, it only confirms that the movie makes the girls look like eye candy for perverts to enjoy.</td></tr></table><br>Well, isn't it obvious they have to please both sides? In Hollywood, the best thing you can ever do is to balance the beam: You want to make what you wanna make, but you shouldn't forget about the masses. I still don't see how it's sexist (and to which gender?).<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />Okay, jeans and a t-shirt doesn't make sense when fighting Nazi zombies and dragons, but a Japanese school girl outfit with bare legs and a bare midriff&nbsp;does make sense? The only outfits that made sense were what Blondie and Sweet Pea were wearing, fully clothed in leather and chainmail. Now that makes sense. But a Japanese schoolgirl outfit and the assless/crotchless chaps that Amber wore? No, sorry, not buying it. </td></tr></table><br>But it's still appropriate for the style of the film.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />Also&nbsp;Emily Browning was woefully miscasted in this movie. She looks like she's 12 years old, yet we're suppose to believe she's 22? It gave the movie a slight pedophile undertone to it. And how else is it not female empowerment? Well, in order to reach her goals, Baby Doll has to do a dance that is always being described as "raw" and "lots of grinding". So doing a broaderline strip tease is female empowerment? Granted, the dance is never shown on-screen, but then we're left wondering what the big deal about this dance is.</td></tr></table><br>I think the pedophilic undertone was purposefully left there, especially in the opening when the stepfather was going to get the little sister. Along with that, the whole dancing routine is just a way for her to fantasize about her getting to kick some ass. Sure, it may seem counter productive, but she's in a brothel. What do you expect her to do in order to fantasize about fighting?<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Here's how the story would have worked, both as a story and as female empowerment: The movie starts as it did with Baby Doll going to the asylum, keep all that. Then show how the inmates are treated like subhumans (as most inmates in aslyums are in real life) and Baby Doll wants out. She befriends the other girls, perhaps by stealing the chocolate and sharing with them, so we can keep that scene. Meanwhile, the girls are having group therapy with Carla Gugino's character, and she teaches them this self-hypnosis trick that sends them into a fantasy world that they can control, and through this method, she teaches them that female empowerment must be a way of thinking, and then a course of action. And then the story plays out with them stealing the four items, using the self-hypnosis trick to give themselves confindence, and Sweet Pea escapes, etc. That would have worked. But instead, Snyder gave us&nbsp;his poorly done version of "Inception", proving that while he knows how to put together pretty images, he can't write his way out a wet paper bag.</td></tr></table><br>But the thing is that Snyder didn't make that story. Sure, the version you came up with is much simpler and easier to understand, but Snyder didn't think of that. I'm not saying that Sucker Punch has the best plot structure ever, but it's one of those films that you just have to go along with and not ask, "Why doesn't he do this instead?"<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />And again, thanks to Snyder's bad storytelling, how are we suppose to relate to how bad the girls are being treated? One girl steals from the kitchen and the cook attacks her over it. Wow, what a hell hole they are in, we should feel pity for them based on this alone!</td></tr></table><br>Well, before all of that happens, it was already implied that the mental asylum is a corrupt place. Furthermore, we find out that the sisters were brought to the asylum in a shady manner. She steals chocolate because it's obvious that they get sh*t food to eat. It's like saying, "Why should I feel pity for a Jew in a camp when he's stealing bread?" The state the girls are in is bad enough and one doesn't have to go into deep reasoning to see why they do what they do.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 5:34pm<br /><br />And further more, with "Inception", there's so many ways look at the movie. At one point, Mal is telling Cobb that he might be dreaming his whole life of being a dream spy. If you think about it, that would explain why none of the other characters are fully developed, because they could all just be aspects of Cobb's personality; his ego, his super ego, his id, his anima, etc. With "Sucker Punch", the girls are so underdeveloped, you can't really say they are aspects of someone's personality, because they are almost the same person, we know nothing about them to tell them apart. Just because it wasn't Baby Doll's story, that doesn't mean Snyder can get away with not explaining anything about her or why she is dreaming all this up. Was her mother in brothel? Was she a fan of anime or sci-fi movies? None of this is explained at all. The only reason why it can be considered Sweet Pea's story is because she has the most screen time and the most lines (and give the best performance) and that's all. So weak!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And I just realized this:&nbsp;MWG mentioned the girls dressing up like that because that's how girls in anime dress. The big problem with that is it's called "fan service", which is just a nice way of saying "T&amp;A". The anime girls are dressed that way to lure in horny teenage boys (or men). Yes, there are people in this world who get sexually aroused by cartoon women! So if MWG is trying to defend the movie not being sexist, that excuse is not helping his case, it only confirms that the movie makes the girls look like eye candy for perverts to enjoy.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 11:42am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />And again, thanks to Snyder's bad storytelling, how are we suppose to relate to how bad the girls are being treated? One girl steals from the kitchen and the cook attacks her over it. Wow, what a hell hole they are in, we should feel pity for them based on this alone!</td></tr></table><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Yeah!I thought the same.When <font ="Apple-style-span" color="#ffffff"><b>BABYDOLL</b> saved <b>ROCKET</b> from him,I wondered why didn't he say "She started" or something.The same when <b>BLUE</b> asks him why did he killed <b>ROCKET</b> despite doing it in self-defense</font>.</font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 11:16am<br /><br />Okay, jeans and a t-shirt doesn't make sense when fighting Nazi zombies and dragons, but a Japanese school girl outfit with bare legs and a bare midriff&nbsp;does make sense? The only outfits that made sense were what Blondie and Sweet Pea were wearing, fully clothed in leather and chainmail. Now that makes sense. But a Japanese schoolgirl outfit and the assless/crotchless chaps that Amber wore? No, sorry, not buying it. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Also&nbsp;Emily Browning was woefully miscasted in this movie. She looks like she's 12 years old, yet we're suppose to believe she's 22? It gave the movie a slight pedophile undertone to it. And how else is it not female empowerment? Well, in order to reach her goals, Baby Doll has to do a dance that is always being described as "raw" and "lots of grinding". So doing a broaderline strip tease is female empowerment? Granted, the dance is never shown on-screen, but then we're left wondering what the big deal about this dance is.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And lastly, yeah, it should have been only two levels, the asylum and the fantasy world. Why? Because that would make sense. The asylum is the ideal place to show the girls being treated like crap and wanting to escape, and the fantasy world would be their mental escape. The brothel makes no sense whatever, why would Baby Doll be dreaming about a brothel of all places? That's where the movie as female empowerment falls flat, the brothel seems like just an excuse to have the girls dress like common streetwalkers, and it's all out of place with the rest of the story.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Here's how the story would have worked, both as a story and as female empowerment: The movie starts as it did with Baby Doll going to the asylum, keep all that. Then show how the inmates are treated like subhumans (as most inmates in aslyums are in real life) and Baby Doll wants out. She befriends the other girls, perhaps by stealing the chocolate and sharing with them, so we can keep that scene. Meanwhile, the girls are having group therapy with Carla Gugino's character, and she teaches them this self-hypnosis trick that sends them into a fantasy world that they can control, and through this method, she teaches them that female empowerment must be a way of thinking, and then a course of action. And then the story plays out with them stealing the four items, using the self-hypnosis trick to give themselves confindence, and Sweet Pea escapes, etc. That would have worked. But instead, Snyder gave us&nbsp;his poorly done version of "Inception", proving that while he knows how to put together pretty images, he can't write his way out a wet paper bag.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 10:55am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br /><DIV>Well, the reason why they aren't all well developed is because the story <I>isn't</I> about all of them. Take Inception, for example. Leo's character is the only character that is well developed. Everyone else is oh-so forgettable. Seriously, what do we know about these people? Absolutely nothing. In Sucker Punch, the story was about the sisters and they are pretty well developed. They aren't just "sisters who look out for each other." If you simplify characters that way, you make them sound simplistic. As for the other girls, they are sympathetic enough for the audience to want them to survive because these girls don't deserve the treatment they're getting.</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Honestly, I find the old "only the main character needs to be developed" excuse to be lame in genernal. Yes, the main character is the most important, but how are we to relate to other characters when we know nothing about them? At least the characters in "Inception" had charm to them in between their interactions with each other, and we&nbsp;know some information about them like their jobs and personality traits.&nbsp;And forgettable?&nbsp;Oh no,&nbsp;I would say Tom Hardy's charm&nbsp;was the stand-out of the movie, giving a performance worthy to make him the next James Bond.&nbsp;On the other hand, we know NOTHING about the Sucker Punch girls, who&nbsp;were just line reading to each other, and while Abbie Cornish showed promise,&nbsp;that small ray of sunlight is&nbsp;lost among the void that's surrounding her. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And again, thanks to Snyder's bad storytelling, how are we suppose to relate to how bad the girls are being treated? One girl steals from the kitchen and the cook attacks her over it. Wow, what a hell hole they are in, we should feel pity for them based on this alone! The story is just such a mess and it makes the movie very hard to like or defend outside of being decent eye candy.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 10:14am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; ">I see people keep mentioning the "slutty outfits" but they aren't any different from what you see in an anime where girls are kicking ass.</span></td></tr></table><div><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"=""><div style="line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; ">I've seen animes with naked 10-year-olds.That's not the best source.</div><div style="line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; ">If the clothes are too "slutty," then what do you expect them to wear? Jeans and a t-shirt? What do you think that would look like when they're fighting Nazi zombies and dragons?</span></span><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "></td></tr></table><div><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 25px; "></span></font></div></span></div><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">How about if they dress like the other characters?You know,like female soldiers and samurais do,which is the same as the male counterparts.</font></div><div><div style="line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; ">Snyder never zooms in to the body parts of the female characters like Michael Bay does, which is another point to show that he was very much making a female empowerment film.</span></span><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "></td></tr></table><div><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 25px; "></span></font></div></span></div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 16px; "><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 16px; "><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Yes,which is why the movie fails to be sexy.In an interview,he said something about making the movie based on geek's fantasies.Even more hypocresy,because you can tell he likes filming this.He just tries to be low-key about it.</font></span></div></span><div style="line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; "><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; ">And lastly, most of the male characters are made out to be evil and corrupt. So, again, how&nbsp;<i>isn't</i>&nbsp;this a female empowerment film?</span></span><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "></td></tr></table><div><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 25px; "></span></font></div></span></div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "></span><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 16px; "><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 16px; "><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">That's sexism.Another totally different thing.</font></span></div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br /></span><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: medium; line-height: 25px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; ">Why 3 layers instead of 2? Because if they used only 2 layers, it would be too much of a change from the two worlds to make it work. You can easily picture a mental asylum changing into a brothel and they use the dancing as another world for the girls to kick ass. If they used 2 layers, what would they use in the mental asylum to get across to the fantasy world?</span><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; "></td></tr></table></span></div><div><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 16px; "><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">If you re-read your questions,you'll realize you're talking like <b>Snyder</b> and <b>Steve Shibuya</b> writing the script trying to make it work,and at the same time leaving the things they want.It doesn't work like that.Sacrifices have to be made.If they realized it made no sense,then start over.Or just eliminate one of the layers.</font></span></div><div><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br />Well, the reason why they aren't all well developed is because the story&nbsp;<i>isn't</i>&nbsp;about all of them. Take Inception, for example. Leo's character is the only character that is well developed. Everyone else is oh-so forgettable. Seriously, what do we know about these people? Absolutely nothing.</td></tr></table></div></div><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><font ="apple-style-span"="" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Dammit,you have a point!That movie is also Mind f*ck,so it focuses more on tricking the audience.</font></div></span></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 9:31am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />The characters were not developed AT ALL. In fact, all five main characters are forgetable and might as well be interchangable. Seriously, let's run them down, shall we: Baby Doll: the leader ... that's about it. Rocket and Sweet Pea: sisters who look out for each other&nbsp;... again, that's it. Amber:&nbsp;handles all the machines, steals the cigar lighter ... that's it. Blondie: just there for the sake of it, rats out the other girls ... that's it. Those are not examples of&nbsp;developed characters. Again, bad writing on Snyder's part. I'll give the movie its due for being visually stunning, but there's nothing else to it.<br></td></tr></table><div>Well, the reason why they aren't all well developed is because the story <i>isn't</i> about all of them. Take Inception, for example. Leo's character is the only character that is well developed. Everyone else is oh-so forgettable. Seriously, what do we know about these people? Absolutely nothing. In Sucker Punch, the story was about the sisters and they are pretty well developed. They aren't just "sisters who look out for each other." If you simplify characters that way, you make them sound simplistic. As for the other girls, they are sympathetic enough for the audience to want them to survive because these girls don't deserve the treatment they're getting.</div>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :    Originally posted by VitsThe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 19 2011 at 9:22am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><div><font ="apple-style-span"=""><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 25px; "><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" style="font-size: medium; ">The female power message is hypocritical.Not because the girls use slutty outfits and weapons,but because they thought it would work as product placement(no,that's the right term,since they use the girls as objects).They know this is 2011,right?</font><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif" size="3"></td></tr></table></font></div><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif" size="3">I don't think the film is hypocritical at all. I see people keep mentioning the "slutty outfits" but they aren't any different from what you see in an anime where girls are kicking ass. The outfits work more as a way to keep the style of the film consistent than to show skin. If they're in a fantasy world, why <i>shouldn't</i> they be wearing stylized clothing? If the clothes are too "slutty," then what do you expect them to wear? Jeans and a t-shirt? What do you think that would look like when they're fighting Nazi zombies and dragons? It'd look ridiculous, of course. Also, Snyder never zooms in to the body parts of the female characters like Michael Bay does, which is another point to show that he was very much making a female empowerment film. And lastly, most of the male characters are made out to be evil and corrupt. So, again, how <i>isn't</i> this a female empowerment film?</font></div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; "><br></div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; "><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">And then there's the fantasy within fantasy(the one that looks like a video-game),which is even more pointless because the juxtapositions with real life are too weak.She only needed one layer,so why couldn't she go from real life straight to the "video-game world"?</td></tr></table></div><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Times New Roman', Times, serif" size="3">Why 3 layers instead of 2? Because if they used only 2 layers, it would be too much of a change from the two worlds to make it work. You can easily picture a mental asylum changing into a brothel and they use the dancing as another world for the girls to kick ass. If they used 2 layers, what would they use in the mental asylum to get across to the fantasy world?</font></div></span></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 18 2011 at 12:39pm<br /><br /><div><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" size="3"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 25px;"><div>BUT I DON'T HAVE 5 CONSOLES(***/*****):</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Starring:<b>Emily Browning</b>,<b>Abbie Cornish</b>,<b>Jena Malone</b>,<b>Vanessa Hudgens</b> and <b>Jamie Chung</b> as the girls who never throw a SUCKER PUNCH.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span></font><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-family: 'Courier New', Courier, mono; line-height: 25px; font-size: medium; ">So what is the problem with this movie?<b>Chung</b> is bad.<b>Browning</b> is clearly miscast,but she still does OK.And so do <b>Malone</b>,<b>Carla Gugino</b>, and even <b>Oscar Isaac</b> who's a little over-the-top.</span><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" size="3"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: 25px;"><div><br></div><div>The female power message is hypocritical.Not because the girls use slutty outfits and weapons,but because they thought it would work as product placement(no,that's the right term,since they use the girls as objects).They know this is 2011,right?</div><div><br></div><div>This isn't another of those movies with a bad script joined with great effects.The effects <u>are</u> good,and so are the action sequences(despite getting repetitive)and the soundtrack.And the script has potential.But because <b>Zack Snyder</b> can't decide on which of those aspects is the main one,because there has to be a main one and he has to choose it,the visual aspects overshadow the story.</div><div><br></div><div>This is part of a genre that's not new but just recently has been considered an actual genre.It's called "Mind F*ck".In this movie,a girl creates another reality in her head to escape from her problems.Yet,in her fantasy she suffers from the same problems,so it's pointless.And then there's the fantasy within fantasy(the one that looks like a video-game),which is even more pointless because the juxtapositions with real life are too weak.She only needed one layer,so why couldn't she go from real life straight to the "video-game world"?</div><div><br></div><div>Mind F*ck movies have confusing plots open to interpretation,but the plots still need development.Here,they work on it but mostly put it aside to focus on the action.And adding the hollow characters,there's not much reason for the audience to even try to figure out the plot.</div><div><br></div><div>In action-adventure video-games,the player goes through several worlds that don't seem connected,and has to fight several evil beings in order to collect items.That sounds exactly like the fantasy within fantasy of this movie.However,those games have backstories.Here,we don't really know why they go through this worlds,and more importantly,which characters are evil and which aren't.This is more obvious when <font ="apple-style-span"="" color="#ffffff"><b>BABYDOLL</b> kills that dragon out of the blue(I felt sad)</font>.So basically,a video-game is better at storytelling than this movie.I guess that's what happens when you choose style over substance,instead of balancing both.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Grades:C- in the U.S. and 4,5 in Chile.</div></span></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 18 2011 at 5:12am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by moviewizguy</strong></em><br /><br />She's not bad at all. See her in Bandslam. She has this "girl next door" quality to her.<BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Well, the fact that most of the film is rather ambiguous in nature (like what <B>really </B>happened in the real world), there's not much you can work with. I thought the characters were well developed as well and if you're pointing to the protagonist, well, that's explained by the ending. It was not her story.</td></tr></table> </DIV><DIV>As I said, good looks and "girl next door" appeal aside, Vanessa's acting is ho-hum at best. She has yet to do anything impressive unless Disney hypes the hell out of her first. She can sing in musicals, sure, but that's about it. Looking good and being a good actress are two different things, some actresses have both qualities, Vanessa doesn't.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The characters were not developed AT ALL. In fact, all five main characters are forgetable and might as well be interchangable. Seriously, let's run them down, shall we: Baby Doll: the leader ... that's about it. Rocket and Sweet Pea: sisters who look out for each other&nbsp;... again, that's it. Amber:&nbsp;handles all the machines, steals the cigar lighter ... that's it. Blondie: just there for the sake of it, rats out the other girls ... that's it. Those are not examples of&nbsp;developed characters. Again, bad writing on Snyder's part. I'll give the movie its due for being visually stunning, but there's nothing else to it.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... :    Originally posted by SuperTeenTopiaVanessa...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 17 2011 at 11:15pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia</strong></em><br /><br />Vanessa Hudgens for Worst Actress for this, as well as "Beastly". Vanessa is a beautiful young woman, but she cannot act her way out of a wet paper bag, and she appears in some of the&nbsp;dumbest movies possible. She could have been removed from this movie all together and the movie wouldn't be any different</td></tr></table><br>She's not bad at all. See her in Bandslam. She has this "girl next door" quality to her.<br><div>&nbsp;</div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Worst Screenplay: The script is just flaws upon flaws; no wonder Zack Snyder never directed an original movie before! Nothing is explained, there's no depth to any of characters, and the story makes no sense.&nbsp;Snyder is a director (of CGI and music videos at least), not a writer.</td></tr></table><br>Well, the fact that most of the film is rather ambiguous in nature (like what <b>really </b>happened in the real world), there's not much you can work with. I thought the characters were well developed as well and if you're pointing to the protagonist, well, that's explained by the ending. It was not her story.<br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11331">SuperTeenTopia</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 17 2011 at 5:42pm<br /><br />I also saw this movie. My two cents:&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Vanessa Hudgens for Worst Actress for this, as well as "Beastly". Vanessa is a beautiful young woman, but she cannot act her way out of a wet paper bag, and she appears in some of the&nbsp;dumbest movies possible. She could have been removed from this movie all together and the movie wouldn't be any different.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Worst Screenplay: The script is just flaws upon flaws; no wonder Zack Snyder never directed an original movie before! Nothing is explained, there's no depth to any of characters, and the story makes no sense.&nbsp;Snyder is a director (of CGI and music videos at least), not a writer.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September 17 2011 at 3:57pm<br /><br /><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">I just saw it.The review's coming soon.I know that usually means "tomorrow",but don't hold your breath.This movie is <i>berry</i> hard to analyze.Meanwhile,For Your Consideration:</font><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><br></font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Actress:<b>Emily Browning</b>,no.</font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Supp. Actor:<b>Oscar Isaac</b>,no.</font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Supp. Actress:<b>Jena Malone</b> and <b>Carla Gugino</b>,no.<b>Abbie Cornish</b>(also for LIMITLESS),neh.<b>Vanessa Hudgens</b>*,maybe.<b>Jamie Chung</b>(also for THE HANGOVER PART II),yes.</font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Director:No.I know a movie that's all style no substance isn't good,but since there are no technical categories,I count them as part of this category.The directing and FX are great alone,so together with the photography...</font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Screenplay:Maybe.While I need to analyze,I know right now that the script was full of flaws.But nowhere near as the worst of the year.</font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Couple/Ensemble:No.</font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Mis-Use Of 3D:I don't know.</font></div><div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">-Picture:No.This was just average.</font></div></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono"><br></font></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">*Haven't seen BEASTLY,so I don't know if she should be under Worst Actress.</font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1568">SchumacherH8ter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August 13 2011 at 11:25am<br /><br />Yeah, that's abot right.]]>
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   <title>Forum Members&#039; Discussion of SUCKER PUNCH... : So with the C grades, you think...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4911<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August 12 2011 at 10:21pm<br /><br />So with the C grades, you think these movies are below average to fair, since D is poor, and F is s***?]]>
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