I think that cements it, you win the title of Movie Masochist... I don't think I could top that...

Lifetime Punchinthegroin Award? Wasn't that originally called "Waterworld?"

I can't help but try to give people more chances, I'm a sort of optimistic pessimist. I tend to lean towards teh negative, but I am constantly trying to find the good in people... which is not to say I have never given up trying to find good, but it takes longer then the 3 months I have been posting here for me to get to that point.

And my humor tends to have to be toned down less then my language. When talking with peers, I can be about as foul-mouthed as a Kevin Smith movie... Hell, at work last night, between me and my pharmacist, I swear we dropped the F-bomb at least 3 or 4 dozen times... it was like a damned Christian Bale monologue....

And I have no problem insulting people, in face to face dealings. That way people can tell if I am really and truly pissed, or just joking. Which is probably why I try to use as many emotes as I do. Written words can be really....sterile, and lack the emotional emphasis that facial features, and vocal inflection can lend to a sentence.

Kevin Costner deserves some kind of Lifetime Underachievement Award!

Originally posted by dEd Grimley He can, but he seems to have to make an effort to do so. Now, I do as well... You guys have no idea how much I dial it down for this site (almost as much as I do when I do politics). But it's not that hard to NOT write idiot. He's tried to stop before, and he keeps slipping it in. And when he uses the argument "how can you not call him an idiot," that implies that he doesn't think what he's doing is inappropriate.

Well, being a fan of musicals, I founded Michael's comment a bit offensive and insulting. Thus, I couldn't hold in the anger.

You have a good point there, dEd. However, I still want to try and encourage a more civilized behavior. Even if it is only marginally more civilized, and shows a total lack of realization that what was done was wrong. I mean it may be a long process, but I think given time, and proper encouragement, we can make MWG someone who can post his alternative views, and stimulate discussion without insulting and alienating all others on the board. Then again, maybe I am just an optimist.

As far as dialing it down, do the topics covered here get you that worked up? I know I have personally seen a few movies that I enjoyed being scewered on this site, I just swallow my desire to defend the film, and will generally jump in and try to make light of things. I figure, just because a movie I like is considered "bad" doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed it. 

But seriously, don't let this stuff get you worked up. It's bad for the blood pressure.

Originally posted by dEd Grimley I didn't see that line earlier. It's very easy. It's called being an adult. And with that, you've pretty much proven my point.

I guess I missed that line, too... otherwise I would have had to point out that it is spelled "Ridiculous" ...small pet peeve of mine.

However, I thought that he had managed to express himself in a much more civilized and adult manner, and I had hoped to encourage such expressions...

I was actually standing up for dEd. I personally am a big fan of theater, and have seen a number of musicals performed live.

And, I want to applaud you here. I am very grateful that you have managed to make your point without overtly insulting anyone. I'm glad you have made this effort. If you could voice your opinions in such a fashion more often, I am sure you would get a lot less anger from other members of the board. We may not always agree with what you say, but If you say it right, we will discuss.

Let's hope this is a new beginning for you.

Originally posted by dEd Grimley I'm refering to the myriad times he's called people idiots. Even in the post to which I was referring back to, he was calling what Michaels had said "stupid." I've defended his right to have a different opinion many, many, many, many times. I completely agree with having counterpoint opinions. But to that end, I'm more opposed to childish name-calling. It's not my site, but I'm not going to aknowledge a person who calls everyone else here stupid.

Me calling people stupid is exactly the same as questioning someone's views on something. Michaels have done the same thing to me. He just implies that I'm stupid, which is equally the same of what I'm doing. And there's a difference between offering an opinion and disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Obviously, saying one should just buy the soundtrack for a musical rather than watching the musical is disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing because that ruins the whole point of a musical in the first place. I know you'll ignore me, as well as a few others, but you have to see where I stand. How can you seriously defend Michaels for saying such an outrageous thing like that? It's not even funny. And I only call people idiots if I'm truly angry. Obviously, Michaels comment made me genuinely angry. I'm sorry if I acted out of hand.

By defending Michaels, you're defending his views on where musicals stand. So you agree that everyone must buy soundtracks to a musical rather than watching the musical? I don't see the logic in that. How can you not call someone an idiot when someone says such an outrageous and rediculous thing like that? Exactly. It's as if a horror movie shouldn't scare or a comedy shouldn't make people laugh. It's illogical.

Originally posted by Michaels I'm cutting all ties with moviewizguy. As Bale said, "We're f'ing done professionally". I'm not answering any of his posts any more. I've gone on for entire ten paragraph long posts about what he does wrong that makes him lose credit with us, that doesn't stop him for calling people idiots, morons, etc. (even in a post that was FOUR or FIVE months old). As HeadRazz said, his posts have little, if any logic or merit, but as dEd said, Miguel has more maturity. I understand we should have counter opinions, but this kid just seems to disagree with us just for the sake of disagreeing with us, and that's called a troll, and trolls usually get banned. But hey, that's just one' person's opinion.

So you seriously think that everyone should buy a soundtrack instead of watching a musical? That's the whole point here. You're arguing that all you need for musicals is to buy their soundtracks. Well, I'm sticking to my point: That ruins the whole concept of musicals in the first place. If you think otherwise, I don't know how "The Sound of Music," "Grease," "Mamma Mia," "Rent," "Annie," etc will be successful. Your logic is flawed, obviously, and I can see you using excuses to diverge from the topic. This, being one of them. If you seriously think everyone should buy soundtracks instead of watching the film, why don't you explain? You're the one who's equally as guilty when you bash when providing no reasons in the first place. Thus, you're the troll. I'm just simply questioning your logic but I'm not surprised you haven't hit on the topic so far.