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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! :  Originally posted by SchumacherH8terThe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October 21 2011 at 8:33am<br /><br /><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter</strong></em><br /><br />The A-story of this is BORING! It follows Agent Strahm trying to expose Hoffman as the Jigsaw apprentice. I think that the reason this is the A-story was because they got criticism for how bland the A-stories was in the last two compared to the B-stories.</td></tr></table></div><div><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">I think that,because it received a fanbase,they thought they could make a filler episode with no problem.I admit that the admiration for the previous installents is what got me through that boring storyline.</font></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter</strong></em><br /><br />Is it me, or are fifth sequels in horror series usually the worst?</td></tr></table><span ="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; "><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; color: rgb0, 0, 0; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><font ="Apple-style-span" size="3" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">Fifth sequels in general are the worst...unless they were made in 2011.</font></div></span></div>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! : Time to review the worst Saw movie...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1568">SchumacherH8ter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October 20 2011 at 8:33pm<br /><br />Time to review the worst Saw movie and that says a lot!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>The good:</strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The main trap: The main trap of Saw V has characters that are actually interesting. They try to think of alternative ways to solve the trap that don't end up working, but it's nice to see them try something different. Unfortunately, they get little screen-time compared to the A-story.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>The bad:</strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The A-story: The A-story of this is BORING! It follows Agent Strahm trying to expose Hoffman as the Jigsaw apprentice. I think that the reason this is the A-story was because they got criticism for how bland the A-stories was in the last two compared to the B-stories.&nbsp;The A-story&nbsp;is flawed for one reason that'll be exposed in the ugly and...</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Strahm himself: I've give Strahm this: his opening scene where he breaks out of Jigsaw's trap was pretty cool. After that, he gets more and more boring, before he mercifully gets himself killed by one of Hoffman's traps. Scott Patterson's stiff performance doesn't help.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Meagan Good: She's bland as Luba, one of the members of the main trap.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>The ugly:</strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Director David Hackl: One good thing about Hackl: his name isn't false-advertising!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The script: I already pointed out how lop-sided the A and B stories are in terms of quality, but that's not the only problem with this. The ending, in particular, was poorly written.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Costas Mandylor: Why is he the main villain? He can't act! Jigsaw's corpse could make a better villain!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Is it me, or are fifth sequels in horror series usually the worst? This, Friday The 13th, Child's Play, etc. Grade: D-</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Next-up: Saw VI!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> August 09 2010 at 12:59pm<br /><br /><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; "><font ="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" size="3"><span ="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; ">&#091;Post deleted&#093;</span></font></div>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! :  Originally posted by VitsI just...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March 24 2010 at 5:04pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: medium" ="Apple-style-span"><FONT face="'Courier New', Courier, mono" ="Apple-style-span">I just watched again,and I noticed another error.At the beginnin',JIGSAW's lawyer gives JILL a box.Although I accidentally saw in the site of <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/saw-vi_forum392.html" target="_blank">SAW VI</A> that JILL is listed as an antagonist,that was so obvious.</FONT></SPAN></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Can we please not talk about past "Saw" movies until the 7th one comes out. We can bash and/or defend them then.]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! : I just watched again,and I noticed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March 24 2010 at 4:35pm<br /><br /><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><font ="Apple-style-span" face="'Courier New', Courier, mono">I just watched again,and I noticed another error.At the beginnin',JIGSAW's lawyer gives JILL a box.Although I accidentally saw in the site of <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/saw-vi_forum392.html" target="_blank">SAW VI</a> that JILL is listed as an antagonist,that was so obvious.</font></span>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! : I just rated it on Rotten Toma...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March 13 2010 at 1:42pm<br /><br /><span ="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; "><div style=": rgb233, 219, 177; margin-left: 1px; margin-top: 1px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; -: n&#111;ne; ">I just rated it on Rotten Tomatoes.<div><br></div><div>http://www.rottentomatoes.com/user/812172/ratings</div></div></span>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! :  Originally posted by Vits I...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 13 2010 at 3:23pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br /><BR><DIV>I just read PARANORMAL ACTIVITY 2 is on the way.</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>Yep, just hope it doesn't turn out to be another "Blair Witch 2" thing.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! :    Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 13 2010 at 1:18pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br />Is not about closure.Is just SAW I was excellent'cuz it seemed like a typical horror flick,but it was independent,and ev'ryone could relate to it,bot to mention the deep parts.<div></td></tr></table> </div><div>Ah, but the same can be said about "Paranormal Activity", but it was so good, I do not wish for Hollywood to ruin it by making countless sequels of it every year. Let it to Hollywood to take something good and ruin it for a profit. But I agree with a statement above, we should wait for Halloween, when "Saw 7" gets its own forum, rather than rant on about a movie from two years ago.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I just read PARANORMAL ACTIVITY 2 is on the way.</div>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! : They&amp;#039;re not idiots.They know...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 13 2010 at 9:45am<br /><br /><div>They're not idiots.They know if they pull a stunt like that,no one will see SAW VIII.</div><div><br></div><div>And I don't think they can,even if they want.There's a lot of loose ends(especially what hapenned to DR. GORDON(Cary Elwes)),and the last one is supossed to solve them all.If they decide to mak another one,what could happen?A whole new story?</div><div><br></div><div>SAW VI was a flop compared to the others,but not in general.It did good.</div><div><br></div><div>The thing is they never really cared'bout critics,but this one had bad response from fans too.</div>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! :  Originally posted by VitsI just...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 13 2010 at 5:15am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br />I just read they're gon'na make SAW VII the last one.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Well, that's a comforting thought. However, if it does well at the B.O. (no doubt because it's 3-D and will have surcharges), don't be surprised if Lionsgate suddenly go "Well, we said it was going to be the last, but look at those box office numbers! We have to make another!". Hollywood, man, it's like sequels are drugs to them and they can't the monkey off their back.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 12 2010 at 2:12pm<br /><br /><P>I just read they're gon'na make SAW VII the last one.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 09 2010 at 12:43pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Vits</strong></em><br /><br />Is not about closure.Is just SAW I was excellent'cuz it seemed like a typical horror flick,but it was independent,and ev'ryone could relate to it,bot to mention the deep parts.<DIV></td></tr></table> </DIV><DIV>Ah, but the same can be said about "Paranormal Activity", but it was so good, I do not wish for Hollywood to ruin it by making countless sequels of it every year. Let it to Hollywood to take something good and ruin it for a profit. But I agree with a statement above, we should wait for Halloween, when "Saw 7" gets its own forum, rather than rant on about a movie from two years ago.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>SAW Off My Head NOW, Please!!! : Is not about closure.Is just SAW...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 09 2010 at 7:15am<br /><br />Is not about closure.Is just SAW I was excellent'cuz it seemed like a typical horror flick,but it was independent,and ev'ryone could relate to it,bot to mention the deep parts.<div><br></div><div>SAW II and III got deeper,but from the beginning,they were afraid nobody would want sequels,so they created the storyline of JIGSAW being sick(I'm just guessing).</div><div><br></div><div>SAW IV wasn't that good'cuz of the "3rd sequel curse":</div><div>1)People already knew there was gon'na be a twist endin'.</div><div>2)Leigh Wannell didn't write it.</div><div>3)It turned into a money-makin'franchise,which isn't new.</div><div>Nevertheless,it was still good,'cuz it started revealin'JIGSAW's past.</div><div><br></div><div>Some of those things goes too for SAW V.</div><div><br></div><div>It needs to stop already.I still found them good,'cuz they're still deep,and you have to pay attention to details(like in LOST),but it seems they just wan'na make money,so they're gon'na keep creatin'JIGSAW's protegees,and killin'heroes.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 08 2010 at 8:29pm<br /><br />Hey, if a movie series that pops out an endless supply of sequels without any kind of closure is your thing, then this series is for you.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 08 2010 at 5:35pm<br /><br />Actually, I disagree with you guys. In fact, Saw IV stands up to be my favorite sequel.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8839">BurnHollywoodBurn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 08 2010 at 1:39pm<br /><br /><P><FONT style=": #e9dbb1">As mentioned above, the main villain died in the third movie. That is a sign this series should have ended there, but we know Hollywood, they have to ride that gravy train until it derails, we they made three more sequels that they didn't need.</P><DIV></DIV>And I gotta agree with Michaels, I'll take "Paranormal Activity" over this series anyday. It was the best horror movie in decades because for the first time in who know when, it focused on what originally scared people: the unknown and people's own wild imaginations.</FONT>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8803">Vits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> February 08 2010 at 11:28am<br /><br />The movies suffer a curse I don't know what's called.After 3 movies,the audience knows the pattern,especially that there will be a twist endin'(that's why Shyamalan's 1st. 3 movies THE 6TH. SENSE,UNBREAKABLE and SIGNS were hits,and&nbsp;the 3 last ones THE VILLAGE,<a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/lady-in-the-water_forum129.html" target="_blank">LADY IN THE WATER</a> and <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/m-night-shyamalans-the-happening_forum284.html" target="_blank">THE HAPENNING</a> weren't).<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The movies are the best horror movies,'cuz they're deep,but they focus a lil'too much on the blood,and people don't see what's "inside".</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The 3rd. is the last one that's great,and I blame Leigh wannell for not writin'them anymore.The rest are O.K.,but they keep gettin'worse'cuz after JIGSAW dies,his games continue,'cuz&nbsp;we don't know where the saga is goin'.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2611">Michaels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 29 2010 at 7:13pm<br /><br />I don't think movies are evil. Hollywood can make movies all they want, all I (and the other PAYING AND VOTING members of the Razzies) ask of them is to make GOOD, ORIGINAL movies, that yes, make money, but have reasoning and creativity to them. Is that all too hard to ask? But no, instead we get sequels to movies in which the originals only broke even, we get reboots and remakes to movies that were fine they way they were or simply don't need to be made. We get movies based off of amusement park rides and board games. I understand you LOVE movies, even if they only "entertain" you on some level, but we at the Razzies ask for something with more weight to in as an art form. I've said it before and I'll say it again, IMDb.com is more of the place for you where people will agree with your opinions.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Now, can we please drop this subject and pick it up in October when the 7th movie will get its own subforum?</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 29 2010 at 5:48pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Michaels</strong></em><br /><br />2. Yes, if this was an HBO series, it would be good and praised, but it's not. It's just a studio cash cow.</td></tr></table><br>TV shows also make money, you know that? Know matter how good a movie is, Hollywood is a business. EVERY movie is meant to make money. If a movie costs more than what it makes in return, there will be an economic recession.<br><br><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">3. Why do you people defend this?</td></tr></table><br>Here's a simple answer put: You don't get it. I'm sure there are movies and tv shows that you watch that people don't like. That's why I made the Lost analogy. Many people have stopped watching it as the seasons came but there were still others who have stayed and watched it because they were interested in the storyline.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Why can't you see this for what it is: a studio who have found their golden eggs laying goose ... a movie that that can be cheaply made every year and has a mindlessly loyal fanbase that will flock to it no matter how bad it is.</td></tr></table><br>You think the movies are bad. You don't even watch the movies. So what is the problem here? You act as if those who are still seeing the movies are controlling your life.<br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 29 2010 at 5:42pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Michaels</strong></em><br /><br />MWG, you can post all the positive reviews you can find and point out the two or three post teenage years people that were in the crowd all you want.</td></tr></table><br>Umm....those were the <i>only</i> people that were watching it. If you want me to spoon feed you every information, I was trying to imply that a total of like 6 people were there when I saw it, including the 2 other people I saw it with.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">This series has ran its course. There is no point to it any more.</td></tr></table><br>There is a point. The plot lines are unresolved and there are plot lines I want to see how they resolve. You may not find it interesting but it's apparent a lot of other people do and it isn't fair that you have to bash the people who enjoy this movie to make your "point."<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">And you will keep on defending it, regardless if it gets good or bad reviews. Some things never change.</td></tr></table><br>Regardless of how bad or good the movies turn out, I defend it for a completely different reason. Re-read my other post if you have to because I'm tired of you just "skimming" through my posts than actually reading them because half the time, your responses to my posts have nothing to do with what I said before.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2611">Michaels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 29 2010 at 8:07am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Balboa6</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>So it's okay for tv, but not movies. Interesting. <BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Yes, that's right. See with a TV series, it would have been fully plotted ahead of time and it would go in a direction that would make sense and it would keep going because the plot needs it to. As a movie series, it's just keeps going because the studios want to milk that cash cow for all its worth.&nbsp;It's not better than&nbsp;"Friday The 13th"; Jason dies at the end of every movie, yet the movie makes a profit, so they make a new movie and he has to come back to life yet again. Same with "Saw", a bunch of people are kidnapped and killed and then we start over again with a new movie, same old, same old.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And why are we discussing this in a forum for a 2 year old movie, can't we wait until Halloween when the uncalled for 7th movie comes out and gets its own forum?</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2976">Balboa6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 28 2010 at 8:32pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Michaels</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Balboa6</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Why do people always say that ("do we need this many sequels?"). It depends on what the sequels are being made for. If it's something like Friday the 13th where after the 4th Jason is resurrected in numerous ways and it completely destroys any legitimacy the series had, that's one thing and I can understand the annoyance. When it comes to the Saw franchise, it is a complex, sophisticated, intricate web that is being woven full of intrigue and mystery, much of which has been resolved, but the next two are going to bring the series to a final close. Yes the series is for thinkers. You see in order to understand it, you have to actually watch and pay attention. What amazes me is that if this were, say for example, an HBO series, people would have no problem whatsoever with it, but for some reason people can't handle film franchises. Apparently the continuation of a story is only acceptable if it's on the small screen. The story isn't over. What about that doesn't make sense to you and others like you? You don't just end a damn story with everything up in the air. <br></td></tr></table> <div>1. You can count the number of movie series that were good after a third movie with one hand, "Saw" is not one of them.</div><div>2. Yes, if this was an HBO series, it would be good and praised, but it's not. It's just a studio cash cow.</div><div>3. Why do you people defend this? Why can't you see this for what it is: a studio who have found their golden eggs laying goose ... a movie that that can be cheaply made every year and has a mindlessly loyal fanbase that will flock to it no matter how bad it is. I'll said it before and I'll say it again, it's just beating a dead horse with a stick.</div></td></tr></table><br><br>So it's okay for tv, but not movies. Interesting. <br><br>If it were bad I wouldn't flock to it. It is almost like watching one very long movie. It's all interconnected. It's not like "oh here's another one...just more people to put in some traps...duhhhh...." That is NOT what the films are about. If they were, I certainly would have lost interest a very long time ago. Probably after the first. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2611">Michaels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 28 2010 at 8:16pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Balboa6</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>Why do people always say that ("do we need this many sequels?"). It depends on what the sequels are being made for. If it's something like Friday the 13th where after the 4th Jason is resurrected in numerous ways and it completely destroys any legitimacy the series had, that's one thing and I can understand the annoyance. When it comes to the Saw franchise, it is a complex, sophisticated, intricate web that is being woven full of intrigue and mystery, much of which has been resolved, but the next two are going to bring the series to a final close. Yes the series is for thinkers. You see in order to understand it, you have to actually watch and pay attention. What amazes me is that if this were, say for example, an HBO series, people would have no problem whatsoever with it, but for some reason people can't handle film franchises. Apparently the continuation of a story is only acceptable if it's on the small screen. The story isn't over. What about that doesn't make sense to you and others like you? You don't just end a damn story with everything up in the air. <BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>1. You can count the number of movie series that were good after a third movie with one hand, "Saw" is not one of them.</DIV><DIV>2. Yes, if this was an HBO series, it would be good and praised, but it's not. It's just a studio cash cow.</DIV><DIV>3. Why do you people defend this? Why can't you see this for what it is: a studio who have found their golden eggs laying goose ... a movie that that can be cheaply made every year and has a mindlessly loyal fanbase that will flock to it no matter how bad it is. I'll said it before and I'll say it again, it's just beating a dead horse with a stick.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2976">Balboa6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 28 2010 at 7:47pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Michaels</strong></em><br /><br /><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Balboa6</strong></em><br /><br />There is a strong dramatic element to the Saw films. They're basically thrillers for thinkers. People bash them because they haven't seen them. They look at the poor marketing techniques--i.e. artwork for the dvds/some of the posters, and that's about the extent of it. I also get a kick out of people who bitch about the fact that the franchise has continued. I frequently hear and read people say that it should have ended at 3. So essentially it would be perfectly fine to end something right in the middle with all kinds of things up in the air. I'm sure nobody will have a clue who I'm talking about since those who bash the movies haven't even seen them but if they had ended it at 3 like most people say, we'd be asking What happened to Dr. Gordon, to Detective Matthews, to Jeff, to Jeff's daughter, what the significance was of numerous things--which were obviously important, but not explained yet. It's an extremely clever series the way the flashbacks are seamlessly edited in, providing a complex and intricate web of mystery and intensity. If only people could think outside the box and pay attention. But I guess that's too much to ask.</td></tr></table> </p><p>"Thinkers"? The "thinkers" you are talking about are teenagers who go see the movies for the sole purpose of&nbsp;seeing what creative and bloody ways&nbsp;the filmmakers thought up to kill people. The very first "Saw" movie might have been somewhat smart, but do we really need five sequels? That's right, part six is already in the works.</p></td></tr></table><br><br>Why do people always say that ("do we need this many sequels?"). It depends on what the sequels are being made for. If it's something like Friday the 13th where after the 4th Jason is resurrected in numerous ways and it completely destroys any legitimacy the series had, that's one thing and I can understand the annoyance. When it comes to the Saw franchise, it is a complex, sophisticated, intricate web that is being woven full of intrigue and mystery, much of which has been resolved, but the next two are going to bring the series to a final close. Yes the series is for thinkers. You see in order to understand it, you have to actually watch and pay attention. What amazes me is that if this were, say for example, an HBO series, people would have no problem whatsoever with it, but for some reason people can't handle film franchises. Apparently the continuation of a story is only acceptable if it's on the small screen. The story isn't over. What about that doesn't make sense to you and others like you? You don't just end a damn story with everything up in the air. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2611">Michaels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 28 2010 at 6:21pm<br /><br />MWG, you can post all the positive reviews you can find and point out the two or three post teenage years people that were in the crowd all you want. This series has ran its course. There is no point to it any more. If #7 is a success this year, it's simply because it's in 3-D and the surcharges will give the gross an extra&nbsp;boost and the studios will keep on beating the dead horse with a stick in the form of an 8th movie. And you will keep on defending it, regardless if it gets good or bad reviews. Some things never change.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=933">moviewizguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 28 2010 at 4:46pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Michaels</strong></em><br /><br />"Thinkers"? The "thinkers" you are talking about are teenagers who go see the movies for the sole purpose of&nbsp;seeing what creative and bloody ways&nbsp;the filmmakers thought up to kill people. The very first "Saw" movie might have been somewhat smart, but do we really need five sequels? That's right, part six is already in the works.</td></tr></table><br>I think you're generalizing the audience too much. When I went to see <i>Saw VI</i> last year, I saw 2 old ladies and a woman (30-ish) in the screening room. I wouldn't call them teenagers. If anything, the audience is geared towards the adults and females because females is one of the main driving forces of horror films, believe it or not. And yes, I agree what that other poster said. Any horror series that are on their 4+ sequel would have poked fun at themselves now, like <i>NOES</i>, <i>Final Destination</i>, <i>Child's Play</i>, etc. Those films started out scary but slowly ended up trying to be funny. However, the <i>Saw</i> series actually stuck to the tone of the original throughout each sequel and I appreciate that.<br><br>Oh, and I made this analogy all of the time. The <i>Saw</i> series is like the tv show, <i>LOST</i>. I know many people who stopped watching <i>LOST</i> years ago because they thought it was stupid or because they lost interest. The same goes for <i>Saw</i>. The fans stayed with them because both have complex plots and make people think outside the box.<br><br>Here's a review of the film that explains what I'm trying to say:<br><br>On its sixth release, it would appear on the surface that there's not much differentiating the <i>Saw</i> Franchise from the other godfathers of Horror, the <a href="http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=521" target="_blank"><i>Halloween</i></a>, <a href="http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=2577" target="_blank"><i>Friday the 13th</i></a>, and <a href="http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=1066" target="_blank"><i>A Nightmare on Elm Street</i></a> pictures that have seen their numbers increased steadily over the decades.  However, <i>Saw</i> does take things a step further by building intricate layers of mystery atop the gore, each film slowly assembling a piece of the puzzle that always manages to bring parts of the story full circle but at the same time construct a new mystery that promises to be revealed in future segments.  No matter one's opinion on the film's horrifically gruesome content, there's no denying the noble effort to make this franchise something more, and even for audiences sick and tired of the excessive gore, there's still a morbid allure to the pictures if only to discover the next secret and admire the effort -- sometimes strong, sometimes feeble, but now, mostly, somewhere in the middle -- to keep the story going with a purpose other than to simply pour blood and spill guts all over the screen.  Certainly, the <i>Saw</i> films sometimes lack in acting and scripting, but the production values are generally superb, and even if the story has a slightly jumbled feel, it's the effort even more so than the execution that earns the films a generally high mark.  <i>Saw VI</i> continues with the tradition, unraveling through various flashbacks both to scenes in previous films and newly-revealed details of Kramer's past that keep the story fresh and engaging, and the film once again ends with plenty of revelations but also unearths new questions that beg to be answered in future installments.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8230">GTAHater767</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January 28 2010 at 4:16pm<br /><br /><P>I've long since lost count of how many people claiming this to be their favorite film from 2008. Based on the discussions with those on another forum, these die-hard Saw fans have a (beep)ty taste in movies.</P><DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=1>SAN JUU</FONT></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2611">Michaels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 21 2008 at 2:15am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Balboa6</strong></em><br /><br />There is a strong dramatic element to the Saw films. They're basically thrillers for thinkers. People bash them because they haven't seen them. They look at the poor marketing techniques--i.e. artwork for the dvds/some of the posters, and that's about the extent of it. I also get a kick out of people who bitch about the fact that the franchise has continued. I frequently hear and read people say that it should have ended at 3. So essentially it would be perfectly fine to end something right in the middle with all kinds of things up in the air. I'm sure nobody will have a clue who I'm talking about since those who bash the movies haven't even seen them but if they had ended it at 3 like most people say, we'd be asking What happened to Dr. Gordon, to Detective Matthews, to Jeff, to Jeff's daughter, what the significance was of numerous things--which were obviously important, but not explained yet. It's an extremely clever series the way the flashbacks are seamlessly edited in, providing a complex and intricate web of mystery and intensity. If only people could think outside the box and pay attention. But I guess that's too much to ask.</td></tr></table> </P><P>"Thinkers"? The "thinkers" you are talking about are teenagers who go see the movies for the sole purpose of&nbsp;seeing what creative and bloody ways&nbsp;the filmmakers thought up to kill people. The very first "Saw" movie might have been somewhat smart, but do we really need five sequels? That's right, part six is already in the works.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2976">Balboa6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 21 2008 at 1:31am<br /><br />There is a strong dramatic element to the Saw films. They're basically thrillers for thinkers. People bash them because they haven't seen them. They look at the poor marketing techniques--i.e. artwork for the dvds/some of the posters, and that's about the extent of it. I also get a kick out of people who bitch about the fact that the franchise has continued. I frequently hear and read people say that it should have ended at 3. So essentially it would be perfectly fine to end something right in the middle with all kinds of things up in the air. I'm sure nobody will have a clue who I'm talking about since those who bash the movies haven't even seen them but if they had ended it at 3 like most people say, we'd be asking What happened to Dr. Gordon, to Detective Matthews, to Jeff, to Jeff's daughter, what the significance was of numerous things--which were obviously important, but not explained yet. It's an extremely clever series the way the flashbacks are seamlessly edited in, providing a complex and intricate web of mystery and intensity. If only people could think outside the box and pay attention. But I guess that's too much to ask.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=567">MJ Narcy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3173<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 22 2008 at 12:11pm<br /><br />I've heard that the Ontario police were having a problem with the creepy robo-calls the producers of Saw V sent to Canadian phones.<br><br>The radio ads were bad enough, but hearing those messages over the phone must be incredibly scary.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" alt="C&#111;nfused" &#111;nclick="AddSmileyIc&#111;n'smileys/smiley5.gif'" style="cursor: pointer;" border="0" border="0">]]>
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