The Official RAZZIE® Forum : Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! http://www.razzies.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; The Official RAZZIE® Forum : WHITE CHIX 2 : Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! Sun, 19 May 2013 19:08:42 +0000 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:56:05 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.70 360 www.razzies.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3803 The Official RAZZIE® Forum http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_images/RazzieLogo02.gif http://www.razzies.com/forum/ Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : That's OK.I'm not an... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46286#46286 Author: Vits
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Posted: September 08 2011 at 7:56am

That's OK.I'm not an expert either.I just wrote what I've heard and read.]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:56:05 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46286#46286 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Oh, haha, sorry about the late... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46283#46283 Author: pasim
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Posted: September 08 2011 at 3:26am

Oh, haha, sorry about the late quote :D. It's just my personal impression, really, I am not trying to pass for an expert :)]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:26:13 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46283#46283 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Sorry, but I think you're... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46179#46179 Author: Vits
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Posted: September 06 2011 at 7:41am

Sorry, but I think you're a little late to the party. Not because the post you quoted was from last year, but because right now, THE HELP has #1 at the box office for three weeks, while a lot of this year's remakes and sequels(with and without 3-D) have either flopped or grossed less than expected.
]]> Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:41:39 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46179#46179 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : I totally agree with Vits (see... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46171#46171 Author: pasim
Subject: 3803
Posted: September 06 2011 at 6:33am

I totally agree with Vits (see below). We've seen quite a long thread of badly reviewed films doing great and those with great reviews flopping. I think it's a trend that has been established that whatever doesn't appeal to the massive audience, regardless of its actual quality, will probably not do too well at the box office, while something "made for the masses" can receive terrible reviews and still make money. That is the reality of film-making now, isn't it? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, I am not trying to sound like an expert.   

Originally posted by Vits

Movies with great reviews and awards have flopped,such as KISS KISS,BANG BANG,STRANGER THAN FICTION(my all-time favorite dramedy)and more recently,CRAZY HEART.
]]> Tue, 06 Sep 2011 06:33:30 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=46171#46171 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : And the bad script, the bad make-up,... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=31714#31714 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
Subject: 3803
Posted: June 03 2010 at 8:13pm

And the bad script, the bad make-up, the bad acting ...  

Originally posted by Vits

I just saw WHITE CHICKS AGAIN.I still laugh,despite having bad directing.
]]> Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:13:57 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=31714#31714 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : I just saw WHITE CHICKS AGAIN.I... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=31712#31712 Author: Vits
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 7:04pm

I just saw WHITE CHICKS AGAIN.I still laugh,despite having bad directing.

I also saw PAUL BLART.Not that funny,but still a lot.
]]> Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:04:17 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=31712#31712 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Yeah.We should team up agains... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29294#29294 Author: Vits
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 12:14pm

Yeah.We should team up agains B.H.B..]]> Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:14:10 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29294#29294 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Lol dude, no one gets and does... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29107#29107 Author: dEd Grimley
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 4:50pm

Lol dude, no one gets and does sarcasm better than I do. I never said anything bad about The Hangover, other than it wasn't the funniest movie ever. Now, I've said Paul Blart was crap, and therefor, if you're talking about a movie that I said was bad, I'm going to assume you're referring to Paul Blart. In other words, you simply weren't clear enough as to which movie you were referring.

My argument is independent of his in this case, yes. I'm guessing our points of view aren't terribly different, but I feel that I've stayed fairly consistent with my point.]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:50:24 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29107#29107 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Originally posted by dEd GrimleyPaul... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29106#29106 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 4:27pm

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Paul Blart won a Golden Globe?


If you're gon'na be sarcastic,write it like me.If you're serious,then no,it didn't.I was talkin'bout THE HANGOVER.

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

I think I'm entirely missing what you're trying to argue at this point. My point, stated simply and clearly, is "A bad movie can do well at the box office, for as long, if not longer, than a good movie."

Sorry,I didn't get that.It's just I've been arguin'with B.H.B.,and I thought you were replyin'cuz you were takin'his side.
]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:27:37 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29106#29106 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Paul Blart won a Golden Globe? I... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29104#29104 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 3:07pm

Paul Blart won a Golden Globe?

I don't doubt that The Hangover is the highest grossing R-Rated Comedy... That's kinda why I brought it up.

I think I'm entirely missing what you're trying to argue at this point. My point, stated simply and clearly, is "A bad movie can do well at the box office, for as long, if not longer, than a good movie."]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:07:04 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29104#29104 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Originally posted by dEd Grimley Originally... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29077#29077 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 1:33pm

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Originally posted by Vits

O.K..You're right on the fact that you're entitled to your opinion,but you can't simply say it's bad,considerin'that aside from the good B.O.,that as we established,doesn't mean a lot,it has good reviews,and the Golden Globe for "Best Movie-Comedy And/Or Musical".
 

It's not "the most profitable comedy of all time",it's the most profitable R-rated comedy of all time.

 

THE PROPOSAL did $100 million better than PAUL BLART,and that one had better reviews,but of course not as good as the reviews of THE HANGOVER.


Which movie are you talking about? If you're talking about Paul Blart, it had an abysmal 34%. There's no argument that it's a good movie, unless you're 13 and under, and you've never seen a good comedy. Great BO simply does not mean a good movie.
Whatever Hangover has, it holds a record, and it was not the best R rated comedy of all time. I'd call Airplane!, for example, far better. The Proposal was a 43%... Still pretty awful. Look, critics are pretentious and holier-than-thou, and sometimes their tastes are a bit TOO specific for the common man, but when you look at them collectively, like Rotten Tomatoes does, you get a pretty good idea of how good the movie is, by getting the professional opinion of a wide variety of people, keyword "PROFESSIONAL". And then, if you take into account the top 10 BO of the week, and how often you see the little green splattered tomatoes, you start to get a sense that there's a very large disconnect between "the people" and "the people who know what they're talking about".
Great Box Office =/= Great, Good, or even Not Terrible
 
What movie was I talkin'bout?Gee,I don't know.It has to be PAUL BLART since it won the Golden Globe...was that sarcasm?Yes(DR. SHELDON COOPER).
 
THE HANGOVER is the highest grossin'R-rated comedy.Check anywhere.
 
Most people's opinions on movies are about the same at what critics feel.
 
All my comments'bout "not that bad" movies at the B.O.,have nothing to do with how good a movie does.Movies with great reviews and awards have flopped,such as KISS KISS,BANG BANG,STRANGER THAN FICTION(my all-time favorite dramedy)and more recently,CRAZY HEART.
]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:33:51 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29077#29077 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Originally posted by VitsO.K..You're... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29075#29075 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by Vits

O.K..You're right on the fact that you're entitled to your opinion,but you can't simply say it's bad,considerin'that aside from the good B.O.,that as we established,doesn't mean a lot,it has good reviews,and the Golden Globe for "Best Movie-Comedy And/Or Musical".
 

It's not "the most profitable comedy of all time",it's the most profitable R-rated comedy of all time.

 

THE PROPOSAL did $100 million better than PAUL BLART,and that one had better reviews,but of course not as good as the reviews of THE HANGOVER.


Which movie are you talking about? If you're talking about Paul Blart, it had an abysmal 34%. There's no argument that it's a good movie, unless you're 13 and under, and you've never seen a good comedy. Great BO simply does not mean a good movie.
Whatever Hangover has, it holds a record, and it was not the best R rated comedy of all time. I'd call Airplane!, for example, far better. The Proposal was a 43%... Still pretty awful. Look, critics are pretentious and holier-than-thou, and sometimes their tastes are a bit TOO specific for the common man, but when you look at them collectively, like Rotten Tomatoes does, you get a pretty good idea of how good the movie is, by getting the professional opinion of a wide variety of people, keyword "PROFESSIONAL". And then, if you take into account the top 10 BO of the week, and how often you see the little green splattered tomatoes, you start to get a sense that there's a very large disconnect between "the people" and "the people who know what they're talking about".
Great Box Office =/= Great, Good, or even Not Terrible]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:14:10 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29075#29075 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Yes, thank goodness for "The... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29068#29068 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 11:38am

Yes, thank goodness for "The Hangover" for overthrowing "Paul Blart"!
 
And don't joke about Sarah Palin becomign President, it might come true if you do!
]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:38:40 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29068#29068 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : O.K..You're right on the... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29064#29064 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:52am

O.K..You're right on the fact that you're entitled to your opinion,but you can't simply say it's bad,considerin'that aside from the good B.O.,that as we established,doesn't mean a lot,it has good reviews,and the Golden Globe for "Best Movie-Comedy And/Or Musical".
 
It's not "the most profitable comedy of all time",it's the most profitable R-rated comedy of all time.
 
THE PROPOSAL did $100 million better than PAUL BLART,and that one had better reviews,but of course not as good as the reviews of THE HANGOVER.
]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:52:35 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29064#29064 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Originally posted by VitsLook,if... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29062#29062 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:10am

Originally posted by Vits

Look,if a movie is bad,but still does good at the B.O.,it has to be'cuz it's not that bad.


*Taps on his Paul Blart sign*
Do you realize that if The Hangover hadn't come out, THAT would've been THE comedy of 2009? And look, I liked Hangover as much as the next guy, but it wasn't really THAT great. It wasn't anything terribly special at all, really. And that's now, what, the most profitable comedy of all time or something like that? Probably the best of 2009, and I don't mean to sound like I didn't like it, but it doesn't deserve that. I'm telling you, the problem is that audiences have become entirely retarded. (I'm looking forward to condemnation from Sarah Palin.)]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:10:55 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29062#29062 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Look,if a movie is bad,but still... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29061#29061 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:02am

Look,if a movie is bad,but still does good at the B.O.,it has to be'cuz it's not that bad.
 
The errors we see in movies also have different "levels".
 
If WHITE CHICKS's errors had been more obvious for non-experts(aside of course from the fact they don't look like real white women),it would've flopped.
]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:02:08 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29061#29061 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurnThe... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29059#29059 Author: saturnwatcher
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 8:38am

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

The point is that just because a movie makes a lot of money, that doesn't mean it's good. Take "Transformers 2". It's #10 in the highest grossing movies of all time, yet here it is with 7 Razzie nods and it's considered a heavy favorite to win everything it is up for.
 
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I've been on this campaign for awhile now, but I personally think that box-office numbers have become a completely meaningless measure of how a movie is performing. How can anyone seriously suggest that there is an viable comparison between a movie that made $100 million back in the 70's when ticket prices were 4 bucks and a movie that makes the same amount now when ticket prices are $12? (Most people who saw Avatar on an IMAX screen in 3D probably paid $20) Further, back in the 70's, it was often something of an effort to see a particular movie. If you lived in a small or medium-sized city, particular movies might take a couple of weeks to get to a theater reasonably nearby, whereas today, most small towns have mega-screen theaters so most of the major films appear everywhere in the U.S. on opening weekend.
]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:38:41 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29059#29059 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Paul Blart looked every bit as... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29055#29055 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 5:54am

Paul Blart looked every bit as bad as Miss March to me. I didn't see either. For whatever it's worth, I'd rather see a movie written by two of the guys from The Whitest Kids U Know than either of the other two. I still say however bad or good a movie is hardly determines its success.]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:54:23 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29055#29055 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Look,I know we're not real... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29054#29054 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 12 2010 at 5:39am

Look,I know we're not real critics,but if we're gon'na discuss bad movies,you need to understand that each movie has it's own level of..."badness".WHITE CHICKS and PAUL BLART are bad,but they're not worse than movies that actually flopped,like MISS MARCH.]]> Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:39:52 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29054#29054 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Lol but you're missing the... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29042#29042 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 8:37pm

Lol but you're missing the point still, Vits... My point is that bad movies being bad doesn't mean that Americans don't still go to them, and Paul Blart: Mall Cop is the ultimate example. ]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:37:44 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29042#29042 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : For the last time:It's bad,but... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29039#29039 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 4:59pm

For the last time:It's bad,but not that bad.That's why worse movie flop at the B.O..]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:59:54 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29039#29039 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : The point is that just because... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29037#29037 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 3:49pm

The point is that just because a movie makes a lot of money, that doesn't mean it's good. Take "Transformers 2". It's #10 in the highest grossing movies of all time, yet here it is with 7 Razzie nods and it's considered a heavy favorite to win everything it is up for.
 
"White Chicks" was a bad movie, plain and simple (and I do mean "simple"). It made a lot of money at first because people thought it would be as funny as the "Scary Movies', but it wasn't. Because it was a bad movie, people then avoided "Little Man" and "Dance Flick". The Wayans are stuck in a rut, and a "White Chicks" sequel is not going to help them out. 
]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:49:31 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29037#29037 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : ...aHEM http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29036#29036 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 3:26pm

...aHEM]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:26:35 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29036#29036 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : That's right.They had great... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29035#29035 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 2:30pm

That's right.They had great openings.After people realize how bad and good were(respectively),they each earn diferent numbers.One of them became the highest grossin'movie ever,and the other one stayed at #1 for 1 week(mostly'cuz of the premiere of NEW MOON),and then it went down.It was still a success in money terms,which means it wasn't that bad.]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:30:43 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29035#29035 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Ummm... 2012 and Avatar had huge... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29034#29034 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 2:04pm

Ummm... 2012 and Avatar had huge opening weekends... not sure what you're anglin at.]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:04:20 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29034#29034 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Wrong again.When "2012"... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29026#29026 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 11 2010 at 11:02am

Wrong again.

When "2012" and AVATAR premiered,they were the sh*t.However,only the latter stayed #1 for weeks,'til it became the highest grossin'movie ever.Why?It's good,and the other one is bad,but not that bad.

I hate myself for sayin'this,but THE VILLAGE opened good because of the marketin',and'cuz it was a Shyamalan movie(he was a success back then).After people thought it was bad,it fell hard in the B.O..How is it that it was a B.O. success anyway?It's not that bad.
]]> Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:02:25 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29026#29026 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Lol, I'm afraid it has more... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29016#29016 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 10 2010 at 5:08pm

Lol, I'm afraid it has more to do with how well it's been marketed, not how well it was actually made. You have no idea how many times I've sat through the previews in a movie and listened to people say "WOW, THAT LOOKS AWESOME", only to have me know already that the movie is 2012, and I'm cringing in my seat. ]]> Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:08:29 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29016#29016 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : Yes,but if you read a list of... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29014#29014 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 10 2010 at 4:46pm

Yes,but if you read a list of the worst movies in any site,you'll notice that at least a lil'over half were flops.

When a bad movie does good at the B.O.,it means it's errors are easier to be found by experts.

When a bad movies flops,it means it's errors are so big,even someone who knows nothin'can see them.

And I know that this year we only have 5 flops out of 15 nominees,and 4 have just 1 nomination.
]]> Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:46:43 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29014#29014 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : We're all allowed to like... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29011#29011 Author: dEd Grimley
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 10 2010 at 4:24pm

We're all allowed to like a terrible movie here and there, but BO does not exempt a movie from BO. (That's Box Office, as in money, for the first BO, and body odor for the second). Again, look at Rotten Tomatoes top 10 Box Office on any given week, and there's generally 2-3 movies with a positive rating. My point being that in the United States at least, people have terrible, terrible taste in movies, in general.]]> Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:24:50 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29011#29011 Seriously...a SEQUEL?!?!?! : All of those visual errors are... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29000#29000 Author: Vits
Subject: 3803
Posted: February 10 2010 at 1:22pm

All of those visual errors are to blame Keenen Ivory Wayans.Like I said,it had bad directing,but I think it's good all together.]]> Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:22:13 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3803&PID=29000#29000