The Official RAZZIE® Forum : Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! http://www.razzies.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; The Official RAZZIE® Forum : Disagree w/Any Past RAZZIES®?? : Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! Fri, 24 May 2013 02:39:56 +0000 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:26:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.70 360 www.razzies.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1059 The Official RAZZIE® Forum http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_images/RazzieLogo02.gif http://www.razzies.com/forum/ Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Oh yes, I'm sorry, because... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=34020#34020 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 12:26pm

Oh yes, I'm sorry, because Kirk talking like a robot makes for such a better movie going experience than him being an emotional jerk. I'm so sorry that the lack of a father figure can make you a prick because, you know, that's Basic Psychology 101. Oh wait, Luke Skywalker wasn't an ass because he had Uncle Owen to take him under his wing. Oh, and Anakin had Obi-Wen to look up to, but him becoming a (whiny, crybaby) jerk had more to do with his MOTHER being killed, so your whole arugement is null and void. Nice try, but FAIL. And yeah, I would hate a pair of movies, too, if they proved how lame the childhood hero I used looked up to really was.]]> Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:26:39 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=34020#34020 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Yeah, sorry, I dont belive in... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=34000#34000 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 8:44am

Yeah, sorry, I dont belive in the whole my dads dead so I've been a jerk my whole life. That cliches is extremly old and, in a messed up sort of way, that cliche is used in another film, or set of films, that we have been talking about latley....the star wars films. Btw, con goers seemed to hate star trek 5 and generations....so its unwise to call them unbiased. There was no sigh of relief at Kirks death, most fans wouldve preferred if the dude kept making star trek and were upset when Shatners character was killed off. You accuse any fan of being too biased and too crazy. That may be true for some fans, but their are plenty of fans of various films and shows who realize when a bad film is made (Fans of Friday the 13th hated Jason X, fans of highlander hated all its sequels, fans of star wars hated attack of the clones, and fans of Star Trek were very very mixed about Trek 5).]]> Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:44:40 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=34000#34000 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Yeah, Pike's Kirk came across... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33952#33952 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 6:21pm

Yeah, Pike's Kirk came across as prick, on account of not having a father figure in his life. This is a little something we like to call character development. Also, he spoke like a normal human being, rather than having to pause after every two words like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen. As for con-goers, come on man, those are bias, uncritical fans, they'll defend Shatner with their dying breath just as you have been doing because they are judging him through their childhood memories. And, just because something is popular, it doesn't mean it's good or better than something else being compared to it. "Transformers 2" made nearly a billion dollars world-wide, yet it still had a 20% at RT and won three top prize Razzies. Lastly, with the killing of Kirk, sure it's passing the torch, but was also a sigh of relief that Shatner was finally gone from the series.]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:21:01 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33952#33952 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Shatner was offereda part in the... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33939#33939 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 2:45pm

Shatner was offered a part in the remake, but Abrams said  Shatner was too busy at the time. The Kirk in the new film came off as a self centered prick, who only wanted fame and glory, wereas Shatners Kirk always was compassionate and caring towards the other crew members. The Star Trek fans still love Shatner dearly, and have far from distanced themselves from him. I'm not sure you have been to enough conventions to state what you have to say about his popularity among admirers of the show. The fans of the show love him so much it's incredible. And at the conventions I went to, they (the people who organized the convention) took polls as to which captain the convention goers preffered. And although they agreed the man who played picard is a better actor, Shatner always won hands down as favorite captain. All four times! Lastly, killing actors off doesn't mean they are unpopular. It does some of the time, but not all the time. Are you saying Dumbledore was killed off in harry potter because he was unpopular? Or what about Spock in Star Trek 2? Sure he was brought back in the third film, but when the second film was being made, they had no intention of ever brining him back. So are you saying fans were distancing themselves from Leonard Nemoy?  I doubt it (and if i were you, I would definatley not question Nemoys status as an artist). Lastly, generations featured Kirk for the sole reason of passing on the torch of films from the original to next gen series. To keep him alive would've ruined the point of that film. ]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:45:24 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33939#33939 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Sorry, but as I said, a true artist... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33926#33926 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 10:59am

Sorry, but as I said, a true artist is able to make a series of masterpieces, like a Spielberg or a Scorcese. Those other guys you mention are more fitting of the title one-hit wonder or one-trick pony. I'm not saying they were without skill to make the movies that they did, but they lacked enough skill to make for lasting and rewarding careers.
 
As for Shatner, nah, sorry, but I'll take Chris Pike's Kirk over Shatner's anyday. Shatner always played Kirk as a wooden dummy. Pike actually made Kirk come across as a human being with actual emotions. I'm so glad that as time has gone by, "Star Trek" has kept trying to distance itself from the stain of Shatner's bad acting, even to the point of killing his version of Kirk off in "Generations" and not including Shatner in the latest reboot of the series.
]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:59:01 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33926#33926 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : I'm not putting the filmakers... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33915#33915 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 8:25pm

I'm not putting the filmakers i mentioned on as high levels as speilberg and scorcese, but art is art. Even if they only make one artistic film, it took an artist to make it nonetheless. They arent great artists, but artists anyways, whose certain films proved a mastery of the filmaking craft that only an artist could acheive. As for Shatner, I feel certain he is an artist because Kirk is such a beloved character in not only pop culture but sci fi history. To be loved that much in a demanding genre like sci fi must have taken great skill and craftsmenship. If your a fan, perhaps you know what im getting at. He isnt on a level of Nicholson, Dean, Bogey, and the like. Those are great artists. Shatner isnt a great artist like them, thats for sure, but he is an artist. It takes great artistry to create a captain so beloved by many critics as well as fans.]]> Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:25:16 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33915#33915 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Sorry, but Shatner has done nothing... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33902#33902 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 5:54pm

Sorry, but Shatner has done nothing to be declared an "artist". No one seeks him out for acting advice, just an autograph. You can yell "Captain Kirk" all you want, but that's not art, that's being a ham. I give Gene Roddenberry more credit for "Star Trek" than Shatner. Gene actually created the series, it's concepts and it's messages, but once you look past all that, you'll see the overall acting was either hammy or melodramatic.
 
And the difference between the people you listed and guys like Kubrick, Scorsese, Spielberg and the like, is that because they made ONE masterpiece, they will be remembered only for that ONE masterpiece. True artists make more than one masterpiece and are remembered for their entire body of work, not for just making one good movie and then disappearing from the entertainment business or making crap for the rest of their career.
]]> Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:54:28 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33902#33902 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : See, this is were i disagree.... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33896#33896 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 12 2010 at 10:48pm

See, this is were i disagree. Many wonderful and vital films in film history were made by directors with otherwise so-so films, but we still call them artists. Donnie Darko is a good example (Richard Kellys other film, the box, was ok, but southland tales sucked). It very intelligent and thought provoking, and artistry is definatley there, hence the word artist. Charles Laughtons only film, Night of the Hunter, is regarded as a masterpeice, and Laughton an artist as well. Boyz in the Hood from John Singelton, is a milestone of African American cinema, and Singelton is respected by many in the film community, even though his other films have recieved average reviews. Michael Cimino, who made one of the greatest anti war films, the deer hunter, made crap the rest of his life, but even he is still sought after for advice on good moviemaking. The examples go on and on. The point im making is that if you make one beautiful, brilliant peice of art, wether it be your only work ever made, or your other work is mediocre in comparison, you still deserve the title of artist for giving us an experience beyond mere entertainment that we wont soon forget. Though i think a debate about that would take up 500 billion pages lol

]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:48:05 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33896#33896 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Sorry, ramonssun, but your comments... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33879#33879 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 12 2010 at 8:36pm

Sorry, ramonssun, but your comments prove otherwise that you're still looking at the likes of Stallone and Shatner through rose tinted glasses. Sure, they have given the public iconic pop culture moments, but this doesn't make them "artists". When you are going to be remembered for only one role rather than your entire body of work, you're not an artist, you're an entertainer. Sure, there have been truly talented actors who are only remembered by one role, through no fault of their own, but a true artist has range that goes past the roles that they are most famous for. Yes, Stallone and Shatner have had alot of work since their career making roles, but to this day, they still have that wink at the camera moment as if to say "Hey, it's me, your hero, Rocky or Captain Kirk", because they know for a fact that if it weren't for these roles, no one would pay to see them because their acting is nothing to get all that excited about.
 
Actors need to be down-played, not all of them are "artists". A select few are, but the rest are just people who are paid to play make believe for our amusement, and Stallone and Shatner are the latter. I'm not downplaying their impact on pop culture, but I'm willing to bet a million dollar that if you went to Hollywood and asked 600 random people on the streets if those two will be remembered as "artists", you will be greeted by laughter.
]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:36:00 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33879#33879 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : The first Rocky is definitely... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33860#33860 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 12 2010 at 12:01pm

The first Rocky is definitely something with the power to change your life, and people who admit they were changed by that film are very wise people indeed. Even First Blood is admired by some Viet Nam vets for showing that many people who returned from that war were scorned and tossed aside.  

]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:01:57 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33860#33860 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : With all due respect, if I refect... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33854#33854 Author: saturnwatcher
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 11:29pm

With all due respect, if I refect upon the person I have become and the course my life has taken, I can think of a lot of people that were major influences. I can't think of a single movie. Those same people probably shaped my tastes in movies and literature. I don't think that those people were brought into or kept in my life as the result of any particular movies. Anyone who came to me and told me that the course of their lives had been significantly shaped by the characters Sly Stallone has brought to the screen probably isn't someone I'd want to spend a lot of time around.

]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:29:40 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33854#33854 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : You always seem to ignore... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33848#33848 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 10:15pm

You always seem to ignore everything I write, or misinterpret it. I'm saying that films that shaped our childhood should receive some amount of  favorable recognition, good or bad, because they made us who we are today. I'm not defending them, just saying they shouldn't be down-played. 

Lastly, I don't love everything Stallone or Shatner did, I'm just saying that all their good work still shines through, and way brighter than any of the crap they may have made. There are more good contributions to cinema and TV from them than bad. I do think Stallone is an artist (Rocky and First Blood are proof), and Shatner too, for giving us one of the most beloved Science Fiction Characters of all time. Give them both credit. By defending Shatners performance in Star Trek 5, you said I became totally biased, and claimed I love everything the man ever did. I don't. Shame on you for saying so!
]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:15:55 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33848#33848 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : I second all of the below. I mean,... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33842#33842 Author: Julianstark
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 8:38pm

I second all of the below. I mean, Robert Downey Jr. is my favorite actor, but if he's absolutely horrendous in Due Date (the movie will probably be terrible, and I'm not sure if he can survive it), I'll totally be willing to give him tons of Razzie love.  

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

Sorry, but just because an actor made a film that you enjoyed in your childhood, that doesn't mean he is by default, a flawless actor. No actor is. We're all fans of actors/actresses/directors, etc., but that shouldn't give us this bias, uncritical eye about everything that actor, etc. does. Sure, Stallone made an endearing movie, but that doesn't stop the fact that he mumbles in every movie he stars in and his writing is far from anything mind-blowing. 
 

I'll even take an example. If you have read my past posts, you know I'm a fan of Christopher Nolan. In my mind, he's is best filmmaker out there right now; so far he has yet to make a truly bad movie. Now, I'm fully aware that not everyone agrees with these statements, they may think his movies are too boring or too complex or too moody, but I respect their opinion. However, if say "Batman 3" comes out, and the plot is full of moon crater sized plot holes, and the acting is wooden and emotionless, and the dialongue is on par with a 3rd grader reading level, and the editing is without a steady pace, then hell, I'll admit I was wrong and that Nolan is not a flawless director and I'll vote for him in the Razzies same as anyone else.

But that's where you Shatner and Stallone fans come in. You forgive and forget all mistakes made by these actors and proclaim that they "geniuses", "artists", and that "they deserved to be showered with Oscars and Emmys", etc. Guys, you're fooling only yourselves. Are these men pop culture icons, entertainers, and hammy actors? Yes. Are they masters at their crafts? Sorry, but no! And they will not be remembered as such.

And that is why 600 to 700 Razzie members vote for these men. Because as entertaining as they may have been at one time, when you get past all the warm and fuzzy feelings their past work gives you, you're realize that their acting throughout their careers have been nothing but fluff.
 
]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:38:44 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33842#33842 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : When I was 6 years old I enjoyed... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33839#33839 Author: saturnwatcher
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 8:20pm

When I was 6 years old I enjoyed Jerry Lewis in The Nutty Professor. I find it unwatchable these days, as is most of Lewis' other cinema work. So just because we might find something appealing as children doesn't make it classic...sometimes it is just crap that appeals to very young minds.]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:20:18 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33839#33839 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Sorry, but just because an actor... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33836#33836 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 8:08pm

Sorry, but just because an actor made a film that you enjoyed in your childhood, that doesn't mean he is by default, a flawless actor. No actor is. We're all fans of actors/actresses/directors, etc., but that shouldn't give us this bias, uncritical eye about everything that actor, etc. does. Sure, Stallone made an endearing movie, but that doesn't stop the fact that he mumbles in every movie he stars in and his writing is far from anything mind-blowing.
 
I'll even take an example. If you have read my past posts, you know I'm a fan of Christopher Nolan. In my mind, he's is best filmmaker out there right now; so far he has yet to make a truly bad movie. Now, I'm fully aware that not everyone agrees with these statements, they may think his movies are too boring or too complex or too moody, but I respect their opinion. However, if say "Batman 3" comes out, and the plot is full of moon crater sized plot holes, and the acting is wooden and emotionless, and the dialongue is on par with a 3rd grader reading level, and the editing is without a steady pace, then hell, I'll admit I was wrong and that Nolan is not a flawless director and I'll vote for him in the Razzies same as anyone else.
 
But that's where you Shatner and Stallone fans come in. You forgive and forget all mistakes made by these actors and proclaim that they "geniuses", "artists", and that "they deserved to be showered with Oscars and Emmys", etc. Guys, you're fooling only yourselves. Are these men pop culture icons, entertainers, and hammy actors? Yes. Are they masters at their crafts? Sorry, but no! And they will not be remembered as such.
 
And that is why 600 to 700 Razzie members vote for these men. Because as entertaining as they may have been at one time, when you get past all the warm and fuzzy feelings their past work gives you, you're realize that their acting throughout their careers have been nothing but fluff.
]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:08:05 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33836#33836 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Films that made a mark on our... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33819#33819 Author: ramonesun
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 11:43am

Films that made a mark on our childhood are worthy of credit though, even if we dont love them as much now, because the helped shape us into the people we are....at least, for me they did!

]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:43:48 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33819#33819 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Well, it's good thatTaRaN-RoDagree... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33123#33123 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 8:47pm

Well, it's good that TaRaN-RoD agree with most of what is said here, unlike certain other posters who seem to go out of their way to disagree with EVERYTHING that is posted here.  

Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

BurnHollywoodBurn I agree with you on Spielberg and Lucas me too they are part of what made me love movies and I agree that now I'm not really sure of the quality of their work! Star Wars prequel were horrible and about Indiana Jones it's strange but I enjoyed it! So well, in a way we could say that we agree on some points! And thanks I was looking for the word ''childhood''... it was in my head somewhere but I didn' find it before you said it!
Another good point of this forum, it helps me with my English! :)
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:47:02 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33123#33123 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : BurnHollywoodBurn, I agree with... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33117#33117 Author: TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 7:36pm

BurnHollywoodBurn, I agree with you on Spielberg and Lucas -- me, too! They are part of what made me love movies, and I agree that now I'm not really sure of the quality of their work! The Star Wars prequels were horrible and about Indiana Jones #4, it's strange but I enjoyed it! 

So well, in a way we could say that we agree on some points! And thanks I was looking for the word ''childhood''... it was in my head somewhere but I didn' find it before you said it!  

Another good point about this forum, it helps me with my English! :)
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:36:31 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33117#33117 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Personal attacks are such a compelling... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33112#33112 Author: saturnwatcher
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 6:49pm

Personal attacks are such a compelling addition to a debate. Clap 

Nonetheless, while I've never actually sat down and compiled a list of my own, here are a few names worthy of consideration on such a list: Jack Nicholson, Marlon Brando, Jimmy Stewart, Humphrey Bogart, Spencer Tracy, Charlie Chaplin (who wrote, directed and scored all of his movies as well as acting in them, and originally had to express ideas and emotions without the use of words) Lawrence Olivier, Gregory Peck, Clark Gable, Jack Lemon, Steve McQueen, Burt Lancaster, Michael Caine, Johnny Depp, Henry Fonda, Kirk Douglas...I could list probably 50 others worthy of consideration, and my list would not be myopic enough to deny the existance of cinema prior to about 1976. 

The point is that every one of the actors I listed above is FAR superior to Stallone and/or Leo DiCaprio. I am confident that my statement would be supported by virtually EVERY professional movie critic in North America, and probably most of them in Europe...  

Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

???
 
WTF??? You certainly don't know what you are talking about... If these actors are not in your top 10, I'm scared to know who is....
 
Just a question... are you blind or something? You certainly don't know what is an awful acting... But don't worry I have 2 solution for you... Buy yourself new glasses, or stop doing crack! ;)
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:49:30 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33112#33112 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Okay then. We all have our favorite... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33109#33109 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 6:39pm

Okay then. We all have our favorite actors or directors from our childhoods, the ones who made us love movies. However, when we grow up, we should be able to tell good movies from bad movies, even ones that our favorite actor or director did. 

I learned to love movies because of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, but with their recent movie choices like the "Star Wars" prequels, "Indiana Jones 4", and producing "Transformers 2", I seriously question if they have run out of creative talent. Everyone's career has to peak sometime, and just because you liked them in the past shouldn't mean you should blind yourself to the point you think EVERYTHING they do is great. Currently, I think Chris Nolan is a great storyteller, but not every movie he has directed is perfect, and I'll be the first to admit it. 

If you're really a fan of Stallone, you should be able to accept it when people disagree with you about his movies, rather than declare the man's movies all perfect, and claim that anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about.  

Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

I can't tell you that you are wrong on DiCaprio... But in my own book he's equaly with Stallone my favourite actor, that's it! I cannot do anything with it, Stallone made me love movies and it's thanks to him that I'm now a movies buff... It started when I was a child so I will NEVER say something against this guy who inspired me and made me started love movies! It's all from youth! DiCaprio it's because every performances that he's doing seem to be perfect in my opinion, that's it!
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:39:05 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33109#33109 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : I can't say you that you... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33104#33104 Author: TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 6:29pm

I can't say you that you are wrong on DiCaprio... But in my own book, he's equal with Stallone as my favorite actor -- that's it! I cannot do anything with it -- Stallone made me love movies, and it's thanks to him that I'm now a movies buff... It started when I was a child so I will NEVER say anything against this guy who inspired me, and got me started loving movies! It's all from youth! With DiCaprio, it's because every performances that he does seems to be perfect in my opinion, that's it!]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:29:31 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33104#33104 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : I think might want to take your... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33098#33098 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 5:35pm

I think might want to take your own advice, because I don't know what you have against Bale. Okay, he lost it and did an epic rant against a crew member. Big deal. His voice as Batman sucked. So what? But to say he sucks as an actor is just foolish if you're basing it on stuff that didn't happen on screen or only ruined ONE movie. I mean to say he's on the same level as Seagal, wow, compare apples oranges much? 

Oh, and Dicaprio is over-rated. The dude is good, but let's face it, had it not been for "Titanic" making a boatload of money (no pun intended) no one would care about him, and he would just have been just another child star who faded away.  

Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

???
 
WTF??? You certainly don't know what you are talking about... If these actors are not in your top 10, I'm scared to know who is....
 
Just a question... are you blind or something? You certainly don't know what is an awful acting... But don't worry I have 2 solution for you... Buy yourself new glasses, or stop doing crack! ;)
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:35:13 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33098#33098 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : LOL, so right! :P Win! Originally... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33092#33092 Author: TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 4:27pm

LOL, so right! :P Win!  

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

At least you admit that Seagal is such an awful actor!
Oh come on, what am I going to defend him with?
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:27:30 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33092#33092 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : ??? WTF??? You certainly don't... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33089#33089 Author: TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 4:21pm

???  
 
WTF??? You certainly don't know what you are talking about... If these actors are not in your top 10, I'm scared to know who is....
 
Just a question... are you blind or something? You certainly don't know what is an awful acting... But don't worry I have 2 solution for you... Buy yourself new glasses, or stop doing crack! ;)

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Since you are relatively new to our Forum (and English does not appear to be your native language) I am willing to cut you some slack -- But as a general rule, this Forum should not be considered a place to snipe at those with whom you disagree. In future, please refrain from personal attacks and insults, and limit your postings to discussion of the subject at hand...
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:21:56 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33089#33089 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : BHB is correct. You are stating... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33081#33081 Author: saturnwatcher
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 1:44pm

BHB is correct. You are stating opinions, not presenting a factual argument. Nonetheless, the point is highly debatable. Let's consider the names on your list:  
 
Stallone: a great actor based upon what? The first Rocky won an Oscar, almost certainly because the AMPAS voting system is mathematically flawed, as I have explained here on a few occasions. It is arguably one of the 3 or 4 worst movies ever to win Best Picture.  
  
Di Caprio: over-rated  
 
Dustin Hoffman: Outstanding (but not immune from making occasional stinkers)
 
Al Pacino: Ditto  
 
Tom Hanks: Very solid actor after a shaky start to his career. Probably not in the top 10 of all time. In fact, your entire list is biased to the past couple of decades, which makes it suspect.  
 
Christian Bale: Overall, a solid actor, several notches above Stallone...  
 
Orlando Bloom: Certainly not among the worst, and also well above Stallone talent wise.  
 
Steven Segal: Doesn't even qualify as an actor. Much like Stallone, he has played essentially the same character in every film in which he has appeared.  

Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

Ok I will make my point: 
 
Sylvester Stallone, Leonardo DiCaprio, Dustin Hoffman, Joe Pesci, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino and Tom Hanks are the greatest actors of all time! 
 
Christian Bale, Steven Seagal and Orlando Bloom are the worst actors of all time! 
 
So -- I'm right, you're wrong! 

End of debate! :)
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:44:06 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33081#33081 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Oh come on! What am I going to... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33078#33078 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 1:27pm

Oh come on! What am I going to defend Seagal with?  

]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:27:41 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33078#33078 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : At least you admit that Seagal... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33077#33077 Author: TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 12:48pm

At least you admit that Seagal is such an awful actor!]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:48:05 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33077#33077 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : That's really not a debate,... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33075#33075 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 12:25pm

That's really not a debate, that's a series of opinions. Bale is nowhere near the same level of bad acting as Seagal. As listed above, Bale has had at least three good roles -- Seagal has none.  
 
Frankly, I think all Stallone fans are just so blinded by their beloved memories of "Rocky" that they refuse to see that EVERYTHING else he has made has been hit or miss. But that's just my opinion.
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:25:01 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33075#33075 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Ok I will make my point: Sylvester... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33074#33074 Author: TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: July 20 2010 at 12:02pm

Ok I will make my point: 
 
Sylvester Stallone, Leonardo DiCaprio, Dustin Hoffman, Joe Pesci, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino and Tom Hanks are the greatest actors of all time! 
 
Christian Bale, Steven Seagal and Orlando Bloom are the worst actors of all time! 
 
So -- I'm right, you're wrong! 

End of debate! :)
]]> Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:02:16 +0000 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=33074#33074 Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! : Very well, then. Let's just... http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1059&PID=30759#30759 Author: BurnHollywoodBurn
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Posted: April 04 2010 at 8:25pm

Very well, then. Let's just say we'll leave it alone and agree to disagree. 

Originally posted by scoobs23

The video was directed towards the poster I quoted. 

I could care less whether or not your opinion will change or not. If it's all the same to you, I'd like to put down what I have to say on this topic, just as you did. I'm obviously of the minority on this board, and regardless of what either of us say, neither of us will change our views. We'll just end up going around in circles making this discussion pointless, which sounds like endless amounts of fun.
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