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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :    Originally posted by saturnwatcherTom...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 16 2007 at 12:21am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by saturnwatcher</strong></em><br /><br />Tom Cruise has a one character range. This character is going to be a signficant step outside of&nbsp;his capabilities.</td></tr></table><br><br>What makes YOU think that this character was out of his range?<br><br>And question to HeadRAZZ: Why do you believe Darth Tiny's accent was essential?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14" rel="nofollow">saturnwatcher</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 14 2007 at 2:04am<br /><br />Tom Cruise has a one character range. This character is going to be a signficant step outside of&nbsp;his capabilities.]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :   Originally posted by saturnwatcher[ At...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 13 2007 at 11:47pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by saturnwatcher</strong></em><br /><br />&#091;<p>At the end of the day, the film is going to sink or swim on the strength of the story and the credibility of the performances. For that reason alone, <span style="font-weight: bold;">there is reason to believe that Cruise can sink&nbsp;</span><em style="font-weight: bold;">this</em><span style="font-weight: bold;"> project.</span></p></td></tr></table><br>What do you mean, saturnwatcher? <br>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad Therefore,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 13 2007 at 2:49am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /><P>Therefore, my question: Why do you guys think that a German accent in this film is essential? </P><P></td></tr></table> </P><P>This must be an honest question since it comes from someone who hates Tom Cruise! . . .</P><P>Well, look way back into the past to 1932 Best Picture winner <EM>Grand Hotel</EM>.&nbsp; Now, everybody in that movie should have had a German accent, but only Wallace Beery truly affects one by purposeful design.&nbsp; And it worked.&nbsp; </P><P>Now, look forward to 1991 <EM>Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves</EM>.&nbsp; Kevin Kostner won a Razzie for his portrayal of Robin Hood with a midwestern U.S. accent.&nbsp; Whether you liked the movie (and many do, including, I confess, myself, both the good scenes and the dumb scenes. . . anybody have a spoon?) or not, most people agree that Costner's misplaced accent was a serious flaw.</P><P>Let's go forward again to 2006 and <EM>Silent Hill</EM>.&nbsp; Sean Bean, of all people, couldn't master an Ohioan accent if Radha Mitchell's life depended on it.&nbsp; Coupled with Roger Avary's bad script, it ruined every second he was on the film.&nbsp; I almost want to switch Sean Bean in that film with Kevin Costner in <EM>Robin Hood</EM>.&nbsp; You may still not think much about either movie, but at least the accents would no longer&nbsp;be an issue.</P><P>So, it depends, really.</P><P>I would want a historical reenactment to capture the accents of the people involved.&nbsp; Everyone else in that <EM>Valkyrie</EM> trailer seems to have no problem talking with an accent.&nbsp; And everyone's reaction to this trailer focuses on Cruise's accent, bad, non-existent or whatever.&nbsp; So, it would seem&nbsp;with this movie that yes, it does matter.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad Why...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14" rel="nofollow">saturnwatcher</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 13 2007 at 2:36am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /><P>&nbsp;Why do you guys think that a German accent in this film is essential? </P><P><BR>Thank you in advance. <BR></P><P></td></tr></table> </P><P>I don't think it is either necessary or essential. Quite a number of historic epics have been done by Hollywood where the actors didn't attempt any sort of accent. In some cases, it can detract, rather than add to the experience. I suppose that if a director really wants that level of realism, he/she should simply film the entire story in the native language with subtitles, which, in my view, can be a tedious experience.</P><P>At the end of the day, the film is going to sink or swim on the strength of the story and the credibility of the performances. For that reason alone, there is reason to believe that Cruise can sink&nbsp;<EM>this</EM> project.</P>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER : I have a question, though.I have...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 12 2007 at 6:17pm<br /><br /><P>I have a question, though.<BR>I have been reading in other forums (and I have read pretty convincing arguments) that an accent is not as essential as some (we) believe it to be. I remember one poster who said that he had never heard "Hamlet" done with a Danish accent, and many films would be dubbed anyway, therefore it wouldn't really matter.<BR>Therefore, my question: Why do you guys think that a German accent in this film is essential? </P><P><BR>Thank you in advance. <BR></P>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 08 2007 at 2:20pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by cvcjr13</strong></em><br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /></P><P>Why do I feel like you're looking at me??? <IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></P><P><BR></td></tr></table> </P><P>Cruise's <EM>Minority Report</EM> squad would crash through your door the second you landed the job!</P><P></td></tr></table><BR><BR>You mean like this?</P><P><BR></td></tr></table> </P><P>No, I mean if Tom Cruise were to overdub his voice for the entire film to get his accent right, and you were hired as the vocal coach to put him in a headlock until he said each line right. . . . well, going along with the fiction, the squad from&nbsp;Tom Cruise's&nbsp;movie&nbsp;<EM>Minority Report</EM>, who specialized in capturing murderers before they commit murder,&nbsp;would get a little wooden ball with your name on it. . . .</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER : I think that attributing Tom Cruise...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14" rel="nofollow">saturnwatcher</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 08 2007 at 12:49pm<br /><br />I think that attributing Tom Cruise with attempting to win converts to Scientology by portraying a German hero is giving him way too much credit. I seriously doubt that he could even conceive of anything that "altruistic." Frankly, I think all that he is after is an Oscar nomination.]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :     Originally posted by cvcjr13 Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 07 2007 at 9:10am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by cvcjr13</strong></em><br /><br /><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /></p><p>Why do I feel like you're looking at me??? <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></p><p><br></td></tr></table> </p><p>Cruise's <em>Minority Report</em> squad would crash through your door the second you landed the job!</p></td></tr></table><br><br>You mean like this?<br>"<t></t><t></t><table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="90%"><t><tr><td><font size="2"><span><b>Quote:</b></span></font></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td><font size="2">Thismisguided attempt by Cruise to win fans for Scientology in Germany byplaying a local hero has got to be the single worst idea in modernmovie history</font>.</td>	</tr></t></table><span><br><br><font size="2">"Well! Talk about bad taste..."<br><br>It's getting to be <span style="font-weight: bold;">time for Greta to resign from Fox News followingtheir increasingly frequent hate attacks on the Scientology religion.How about it Greta - don't hesitate like Isaac did, jump before DM*pushes you!</span></font>"<br><a href="http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=24319" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=24319</a><br>*: DM = David Miscavidge, the boss of $cientology<br></span>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad Why...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 07 2007 at 2:44am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /></P><P>Why do I feel like you're looking at me??? <IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></P><P><BR></td></tr></table> </P><P>Cruise's <EM>Minority Report</EM> squad would crash through your door the second you landed the job!</P>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :    Originally posted by cvcjr13Anyone...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 06 2007 at 4:00pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by cvcjr13</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Anyone want to volunteer to be the vocal coach? . . . <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by cvcjr13</strong></em><br /><br /></p><p>. . .this time with a vocal coach holding him in a headlock until he says it right. . . </p><p></td></tr></table> </p></td></tr></table><br>Why do I feel like you're looking at me??? <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><br>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :   Originally posted by cvcjr13Cruise...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 06 2007 at 3:59pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by cvcjr13</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Cruise will need to redub his voice for the entire film, this time with a vocal coach holding him in a headlock until he says it right, or else this film is flushed away.&nbsp; That would be expensive, but&nbsp;can United Artists afford two duds in a row?&nbsp; The sad thing is, I liked what I saw everyone else doing.&nbsp; But since Cruise is the center, it's like everything else just doesn't matter.&nbsp; </p><p>Of course, the question is, would even that be enough?&nbsp; But I feel they don't have a choice about it.&nbsp; Cruise's accent kills the film.</p></td></tr></table><br>Hmmm... HeadRAZZ, do you think they will redub Tombolina's accent? Wouldn't it be nice though if they redubbed it and he would only get SLIGHTLY better? There are things you just wish for and actually get... <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 06 2007 at 2:07am<br /><br /><P>Anyone want to volunteer to be the vocal coach? . . . <IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by cvcjr13</strong></em><br /><br /></P><P>. . .this time with a vocal coach holding him in a headlock until he says it right. . . </P><P></td></tr></table> </P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 06 2007 at 2:05am<br /><br /><P>Cruise will need to redub his voice for the entire film, this time with a vocal coach holding him in a headlock until he says it right, or else this film is flushed away.&nbsp; That would be expensive, but&nbsp;can United Artists afford two duds in a row?&nbsp; The sad thing is, I liked what I saw everyone else doing.&nbsp; But since Cruise is the center, it's like everything else just doesn't matter.&nbsp; </P><P>Of course, the question is, would even that be enough?&nbsp; But I feel they don't have a choice about it.&nbsp; Cruise's accent kills the film.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December 05 2007 at 4:52pm<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Now, did they read this site or what? <img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> Because, here, my dear Berryheads, comes another raving review:</span> <br><br><span id="intelliTXT"><p><a id="1" name="1"><font>"Jerry Maguire (aka Tom Cruise) in Hitler Murder Attempt</font></a></p>				  			 <p>Jerry Maguire tried to kill Adolf Hitler? Or was it Joel from "Risky Business"?</p>				  			 <p>The first trailer is out from the <strong>Tom Cruise</strong>movie “Valkyrie” and it’s a doozy. This misguided attempt by Cruise towin fans for Scientology in Germany by playing a local hero has got tobe the single worst idea in modern movie history.</p>				  			 <p>As I’ve said before, the tag line should be: “You had me at Achtung.”</p>				  			 <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hL-9SmPRqg" target="_blank" target="_blank"><b>Click here to watch</b></a></p>				  			 <p>Eventhough this is not “Springtime for Hitler,” the trailer is so awful andso indicative of what’s to come, you can only imagine <strong>Mel Brooks</strong> popping up in it.</p>				  			 <p>Cruisewears an eye patch and a Nazi uniform, but speaks with the same flat,unaffected American accent that places him somewhere between RedondoBeach and Johnny Rockets. It’s absolutely hysterical to hear and see aboyish Nazi with blazing white perfect teeth and that voice announce,“We must kill Hitler.”</p></span><span id="intelliTXT"><p>The accent is only part of the problem, butit’s a big part. Cruise apparently didn’t even try for a German soundto play Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg. It’s as if <strong>Meryl Streep</strong> wandered into “Sophie’s Choice” sounding like a Valley Girl.</p>				  			 <p>Ifthis was the way he thought he’d get to the hearts and minds ofGermans, maybe he should get some new marketing advice. When the fansin that country see this, even Brunhilde won’t be able to help him!"</p></span><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311929,00.html" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311929,00.html</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1239" rel="nofollow">nico</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 18 2007 at 11:21am<br /><br /><P>QoT:&nbsp; <IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0"> </P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 13 2007 at 10:17pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br />I am still not convinced that turning from Tommy Boy into Tommy <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Curl</SPAN> took THAT much of an acting effort. <BR></td></tr></table> </P><P><IMG src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></P><P>Love those stills.&nbsp; </P><P>QoT, I feel a strong actor could do what Tom did with minimal effort, and probably would have gone even farther and blown everyone away on the screen.&nbsp; If the trailer is any indication, I'd say Tom has failed to do that.&nbsp; The trailer is sadly underwhelming.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 13 2007 at 11:55am<br /><br />I am still not convinced that turning from Tommy Boy into Tommy <span style="font-weight: bold;">Curl</span> took THAT much of an acting effort. <br><a href="http://ego.globo.com/Entretenimento/Ego/foto/0,,11879103,00.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank"> http://ego.globo.com/Entretenimento/Ego/foto/0,,11879103,00. jpg</a><br><br><a href="http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&amp;m&#111;n=11&amp;evt=valkyrie-featurette&amp;pic=valkyrie-behind-the-scenes-04.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank"> http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&amp; mon=11&amp;evt=valkyrie-featurette&amp;pic=valkyrie-behind-t he-scenes-04.jpg</a><br><br><a href="http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&amp;m&#111;n=11&amp;evt=valkyrie-featurette&amp;pic=valkyrie-behind-the-scenes-08.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&amp; mon=11&amp;evt=valkyrie-featurette&amp;pic=valkyrie-behind-t he-scenes-08.jpg</a><br><br><a href="http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&amp;m&#111;n=11&amp;evt=valkyrie-featurette&amp;pic=valkyrie-behind-the-scenes-20.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&amp; mon=11&amp;evt=valkyrie-featurette&amp;pic=valkyrie-behind-t he-scenes-20.jpg</a><br><br>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad How...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 12 2007 at 2:46am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br />&#091;quote&#093;</P><P>&nbsp;How German can his accent be? <BR><BR></td></tr></table> </P><P>That's my point.&nbsp; He's <strong>trying</strong> to sound German.&nbsp; It's a very weak attempt.&nbsp; I'm guessing to his ears he sounds German, but to my ears, I can hear the attempt, but he blew it.&nbsp; Again, his attempt at an accent sounds like Kevin Costner in <EM>Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves</EM>.&nbsp; What's a midwestern boy doing in the middle of Sherwood Forest?</P><P>Of course, "try" can mean both "attempt" and "exasperate" in English, so making a pun, one could say Tom Cruise is always trying. . . .<BR></P>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  It&amp;#039;s not even as good as...No....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 12 2007 at 12:14am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">It's not even as good as...</td></tr></table><br>No. It's just as bad as Tom Cruise.<br><br>I am German and I thought it was a clear American accent. How German can his accent be? <br><br>Btw, "Spiegel" disagrees with us on this topic. I will be back as soon as I am done with the translation. <br>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :  Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad  And...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 11 2007 at 10:56am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad</strong></em><br /><br /></P><P><BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">And WHY did they change the title from <EM>Valkyrie</EM> to <EM>Lions for Lambs</EM>?</td></tr></table><BR>Perhaps because these are <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">two different</SPAN> films?<BR><BR></td></tr></table> </P><P>OH MY WORDS!&nbsp; I knew all about <EM>Valkyrie</EM>, but I DIDN'T KNOW HE MADE ANOTHER ONE!&nbsp; Thank you, QoT, for sorting that out for me.&nbsp; I thought Cruise only had one movie going.&nbsp; I was so confused.</P><P>But I'm still confused.&nbsp; <EM>Valkyrie</EM> looks like it will be a stiff, and <EM>Lions for Lambs</EM>, based on its box office and reviews, looks like it is a stiff.&nbsp; Is this how you start a movie studio?&nbsp; By&nbsp;releasing two stiffs in a row?&nbsp; Not to mention, chasing Oscars in the movies is (I can't help it) risky business. . . .</P><P>As for his accent,&nbsp;to my ears, it sounds like he's <strong>attempting</strong> a German accent.&nbsp; It's definitely NOT a clear American accent on several lines.&nbsp; But it's also definitely NOT a clear German accent.&nbsp; It's not even as good as Robin Williams in <EM>Mrs. Doubtfire</EM>, and Williams' mangled accent in that movie was part of the joke.&nbsp; If that clip is any indication, I&nbsp;can imagine&nbsp;Cruise stayed up the night before going over with a diction coach, and then he goes to filiming the next day thinking he's ready.&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <title>VALKYRIE - TRAILER :    Cruise&amp;#039;s  German accent...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 11 2007 at 7:11am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><p>Cruise's &#091;ahem&#093; German accent is better than Kevin Costner's &#091;ahem&#093; English accent in <em>Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves</em>, or Sean Bean's &#091;ahem&#093; Ohioan accent in <em>Silent Hill</em>.</p>That's not saying much for Tom Cruise, however.&nbsp;&nbsp;Cruise shouldn't have&nbsp;just made an attempt at an accent.</td></tr></table><br>Apparently he didn't attempt anything. What I hear in that trailer is a clean American accent.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">You either speak it well, or you find someone else to play the role.</td></tr></table><br>That part was originally written for Thomas Kretschmann. Three days before signing the contract Darth Tiny stole the role. Kretschmann said that Mighty Midget wants to get an Oscar with that part. <br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">And I have to wonder if this story was strong enough for the big screen.</td></tr></table><br>This story IS strong enough for the big screen. <br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_v&#111;n_Stauffenberg" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg</a><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_Plot" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_Plot</a><br><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">I mean, you have the same problem with&nbsp;<em>Lions for Lambs</em>&nbsp;as you did with <em>Apollo 13</em>--everyone knows how it's going to end.</td></tr></table> The ending itself does not matter too much IMO. The story itself is interesting. You need a good narrator. Everybody knew from the beginning how "Gone With The Wind" would end. And the list of successful and good films with known endings is endless. 'Schindler's List' being another one of them... <br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">And WHY did they change the title from <em>Valkyrie</em> to <em>Lions for Lambs</em>?</td></tr></table><br>Perhaps because these are <span style="font-weight: bold;">two different</span> films?<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=708" rel="nofollow">cvcjr13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 11 2007 at 6:00am<br /><br /><P>Cruise's &#091;ahem&#093; German accent is better than Kevin Costner's &#091;ahem&#093; English accent in <EM>Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves</EM>, or Sean Bean's &#091;ahem&#093; Ohioan accent in <EM>Silent Hill</EM>.</P><P>That's not saying much for Tom Cruise, however.&nbsp;&nbsp;Cruise shouldn't have&nbsp;just made an attempt at an accent.&nbsp; With all the voice and diction coaches available, the only&nbsp;excuse for a top rate actor to blow an accent is if they just can't do it.&nbsp; You either speak it well, or you find someone else to play the role.&nbsp; </P><P>And I have to wonder if this story was strong enough for the big screen.&nbsp; I mean, you have the same problem with&nbsp;<EM>Lions for Lambs</EM>&nbsp;as you did with <EM>Apollo 13</EM>--everyone knows how it's going to end.&nbsp; <EM>Apollo 13</EM> managed to keep you on edge anyway.&nbsp; My guess is, based on this clip, that&nbsp;<EM>Lions for Lambs</EM>&nbsp;may keep you on edge, too.&nbsp; That is, you'll be on the edge of your theatre seat, holding onto the seat in front of you while laughing so hard at Cruise.&nbsp; He's bit off more than he could chew.&nbsp; He's not a good enough actor for this role!</P><P>And look at the list of actors, with Brian Singer as the director!&nbsp; What's with this year?&nbsp; We've had several movies with superstar casts, most of which were&nbsp;duds.&nbsp; <EM>Evening</EM>, anybody?</P><P>And WHY did they change the title from <EM>Valkyrie</EM> to <EM>Lions for Lambs</EM>?</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3" rel="nofollow">HeadRAZZBerry</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 10 2007 at 5:22pm<br /><br /><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>WOW!&nbsp; This looks like an <strong>Ed Wood</strong>/Sex Change remake of our 1992 <strong><EM>Worst Picture</EM></strong> "winner" SHINING THROUGH, with <strong>Tom Cruise</strong> replacing <strong><EM>Worst Actress</EM></strong> "winner" <strong>Melanie Griffith</strong> as the inept behind-enemy-lines agent. And yes, Tom's near total lack of any accent&nbsp;manages to&nbsp;make him look even more idiotic (if that's even possible!)...&nbsp; </FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.razzies.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=212" rel="nofollow">Queen_of_Toad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2247<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November 10 2007 at 8:38am<br /><br /><div>Here's a <a href="http://www.movieweb.com/news/92/24292.php%20" target="_blank" target="_blank">LINK</a> to view the trailer at MovieWeb: THAT is hardly a German accent! Other than that the ROLE OWNS CRUISE!&nbsp;<img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0"><img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0"> AND SO DO HIS CO-STARS!<img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0"><img src="http://www.razzies.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0">&nbsp; <br><img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" border="0"><img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" border="0"><img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" border="0"><img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" border="0"> <br><br><br>His bad accent is only ONE aspect of HOW BAD his performance actually is: He turned an educated, sophisticated nobleman into a&nbsp; show-off, a poser. He doesn't get the lines right, he doesn't understand the situation and danger Stauffenberg was in. That line, "I am involved in high treason with all the means available to me ..." (or whatever it was precisely), is something that Stauffenberg really said. But I have strong doubts that he was half-grinning or smirking when he uttered that sentence. He knew what kind of effect it must have had. Darth Tiny doesn't understand the character and his mindset at all. Mister Short Sleeves is too self-important and too much of a show-off. I doubt very much doubt that anybody, not to mention&nbsp; Stauffenberg, would be putting on too thick in that situation. The content of what he says is outrageous enough. Therefore I think that he would have said something like that as coolly and unmoved and neutrally as possible.&nbsp; Darth Tiny doesn't understand this.<br><br>Other than that, Stauffenberg's upbringing and breeding wouldn't permit him the kind of demeanour and conduct Mad Pygmalion displays in the trailer. He is not reserved and contained enough. This is a man that comes from an old, aristocratic family. These people were very aware of style which also equalled being disciplined. They were trained not to show emotion. I can't imagine that anybody, let alone Stauffenberg, would display something like false pathos under the circumstances given. It's not compatible neither with Stauffenberg's breeding nor the situation he was in. Stauffenberg was deadly serious. He had to keep himself very together, very focused and very tight in that situation. I believe that anybody, no matter how disciplined, would be very strained and would have had great difficulty to keep his "contenance" and composure under the given tension and danger. In other words: We don't need another Gayden Crystalmeth here. <br><br>Another major mistake that I see in that performance is the self-importance and self-awareness Darth Midget put into the role. I have problems believing this was Stauffenberg's ‚style‚. This man had a goal and an intention. He was willing to give his life for these. How self-centred could he have been? Aside from that, imagine the instant situation: This man is putting his life at risk. He can be discovered anytime, which certainly would lead to his own death and most probably the death of many others. Stauffenberg was aware of that. A similar situation was portrayed by Leo DiCaprio in "Departed". I agree, that he's no Tony Leung and he played a character from a very different background and with a very different personality,&nbsp; however when I take a look at the trailer, I see nothing like fear and tension: Which is the reason why Leo looks like Brando next to Darth Tiny. He always made you fear and feel with him in „Departed“. <br><br>I believe the only thing that you can think of in Stauffenberg‘s situation is the enterprise you are about to undertake and the danger and risk involved with it. Remember, you are in constant fear for your life. This is the kind of constant tension that you carry with yourself.&nbsp; Thus, the portrayal of Stauffenberg would have been the combination of tension under discipline; sort of a showing when not showing, very restrained and contained and yet absolutely fearful (among other things I can't think of right now. ) IMO. But I see no room for the kind of egocentrism that Mighty Midget displays. Instead, I very much miss the subtlety that goes with that kind of character.&nbsp; <br><br>Stauffenberg was a brilliant and complicated man; a multi-dimensional personality. Mighty Midget comes off as shallow and superficial. I don't see the many dimensions that one might look for in such a character as "Stauffenberg" on screen. I mean, the trailer may not be enough to judge this, but this is my impression. <br>&nbsp; <br>If they can't even make Cruise look convincing or compelling in two carefully edited minutes of a trailer - when you can make almost anyone or any movie look good - imagine how bad he must be in that movie, as a matter of fact, how bad the whole movie will be! <br><br>He screwed the role. What is better yet is that the role screwed his career. The role owns him. His co-stars own him. I think they carry the air and the atmosphere of the situation Stauffenberg was in, a lot better than the clown in the leading role. He doesn't have enough emotional and mental weight for the role. I mean, come on, squeezing your eyes while embracing your kid and try to cry? That makes me understand Gayden. <br><br><br>What do you guys think?<br><br><br>For fun: If you want to know what a thick fat German accent sounds like, here it is: Nico, the moron, former lead singer of Velvet Underground. <br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkEylc1-18M" target="_blank" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkEylc1-18M</a> </div>]]>
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