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    Posted: July 29 2009 at 10:20am
Originally posted by Michaels

No, I don't consider drops to have anything to do with the quality of the movie, just movie goers getting bored with it and looking for the new flavor of the week. Considering "G-Force" and "Trannies 2" are doing so well right now, movie goers' tastes are highly in question this year.

Also, just because a movie is getting "word of mouth" on IMDb, that doesn't mean it getting word of mouth EVERYWHERE.


I wasn't talking about IMDb, but, yes, it's a positive tone there compared to here. There are positive things in other sites too.
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I've seriously seen like ONE person have a positive opinion about this outside of this site. Other than that, it's mostly people who share my opinion of the twist... It might as well have been a ghost.
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But they also haven't seen the movie. And anyway, you liked the twist in The Uninvited, which involved ghosts. And why did you say "it might as well be ghosts"? First of all, this twist has NEVER been done before, which is why most of the critics and audiences alike found it surprising (read some reviews in RT; even critics who didn't like the movie found the twist surprising). And second, it fits with the rest of the movie (if one has actually seen it). Really, see the movie. It fits with the rest of the movie.

Some sites with positive reactions of this movie with audiences:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1148204/ (just to show the rating; jumped up 0.1 yesterday)

http://www.everyonesacritic.net/movie.asp?movieid=169349

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131332 (read the actual reviews)

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20 090722/REVIEWS/907229993 (the rating seems to be creeping up after that 1 star we saw before the film was released)

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10010658-orphan/reviews_user s.php">http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810046253/info

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10010658-orphan/reviews_user s.php

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=orphan09.htm

http://apps.metacritic.com/film/titles/orphan (user rating)

http://www.amazon.com/Orphan-Theatrical-Release/dp/B0021L8UP I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1248976712&sr=1-1

http://www.flixster.com/movie/orphan

http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/atm/index.html (at least one of them liked it)

http://www.criticker.com/film/Orphan/
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Seems like people are split down the middle, not many love it or hate it, most are just indifferent about it...
"Just once I want my life to be like an 80's movie ... but, no, no. John Hughes did not direct my life." ("Easy A", 2010)
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First of all - No... People who've seen the movie.
Second of all - No... I haven't seen The Uninvited, and have never commented on the content of it.
Third of all - No... well, I don't know. It feels like I've seen it before. If not, it's still so ridiculously implausible that a person could age at 20% the rate of a normal person that that's not a good "twist," unless you go down the supernatural route.
Fourth of all - I don't know that I really care if it fits.

You can quote positive reviews, but there are more that didn't. And I've skimmed through enough that I don't really need to be pointed to them. I'm still not sure why you assume I'm not researching these things.
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Well, see with MWG, whenever he discovers a movie that he really, really, REALLY likes, he feels he has to promote it like it's the greatest work of art since the motion picture was invented. And if most movie goers and critics disagree with him, he takes it upon himself to become a one-man marketing campaign: "the lead actress should got an Oscar", "the word of mouth is pretty good", "the movie didn't drop too badly at the box office", "here's a small handfull of good reviews, it's not that bad". I don't know who he is trying to convince, himself or us?
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Whoops. Wrong person. Ok, you didn't see that movie.    

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

First of all - No... People who've seen the movie.
Second of all - No... I haven't seen The Uninvited, and have never commented on the content of it.
Third of all - No... well, I don't know. It feels like I've seen it before. If not, it's still so ridiculously implausible that a person could age at 20% the rate of a normal person that that's not a good "twist," unless you go down the supernatural route.
Fourth of all - I don't know that I really care if it fits.

You can quote positive reviews, but there are more that didn't. And I've skimmed through enough that I don't really need to be pointed to them. I'm still not sure why you assume I'm not researching these things.
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Very good post on IMDb. He makes a good point:

Very polished, exceedingly well-made film with terrific cinematography, score, performances and lots of life breathed back into a familiar story.

The twist at the end of the film is far from "stupid" or "laughable" as the geek fanboy superior above-it-all jerks would like to believe (they haven't seen it). That is good screenwriting, folks, very shocking and exactly what is required in the genre -- and the most inventive story turn since The Sixth Sense.

Even if you didn't like the narrative, you'd be a fool to dismiss the production values and top-notch professionalism of the film. The wintry locale, the handsome sets, the conviction of Farmiga and Sarsgaard and the performance of Fuhrman are all aces.

So go on hating, yep. But there's worlds of difference between a gorgeously crafted film like this and dreck like The Unborn, Friday the 13th (the remake), etc., etc.
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Posts: 2024 		Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2009 at 10:03am
The first half of that post is entirely opinion. The other things are stuff people weren't complaining about in the first place.
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Also it doesn't go against my point: Just because a movie is well liked at IMDb, that doesn't mean it universally liked by the rest of the movie-going public. That and at no point did I compare it to "The Unborn." This is no different than when MWG was overhyping "Knowing" earlier this year. He seems to have this idea that if he really likes a movie, then everyone else must agree it's a masterpiece, too.
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I'm sorry. that's just what I'm like as a person... 
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Posts: 2024 		Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2009 at 7:32am

Ah... Now there's a reasonable response, perhaps under too much fire for what he said in the first place.


Much better, MWG. Not a single "idiot" thrown out in quite some time!  
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Yes, MWG's replies are improving.

Now if we could just work on his movie choices!

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Those may be getting worse.
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Wow. It's great to see this movie having some legs. With a 43% drop for the second weekend and making $600,000 less (-37%) than last Monday, I'm quite happy. It might even hold up better than The Uninvited, which held up pretty well with a low opening weekend as well.
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I wonder if studios live by MWG's "drop theory". My guess is yes, because like MWG, it helps to convince them the movie is actually doing good.
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