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    Posted: June 23 2009 at 5:51pm

Is it really that hard to ask for something with weight to it? Is it too much to ask for more complex "Dark Knight" popcorn movies and less movies that might as well be a series of scenes from video games all edited together? It's this mentality of "brainless/mindless movies are fun entertainment that should be rewarded" which is why H-Wood keeps getting away with stuff like this.

Now, I know what people will say "Hey, dude, relax. It's summertime, the time when all we do is turn our brains off and watch the pretty, shiny things blow up. If you want reality, look out the window". Well, fine, keep thinking that and see how many more crappy, mindless movies get produced. Sit back and enjoy as H-Wood takes every cartoon series and childhood memory you have and rapes them with "Batman & Robin" levels of camp. I'll no part in it. But hey, I'm clearly talking to brick walls here online where ADHD teenagers rule.

PS: On a happier note, rumor has it Michael Bay will not return for "TF 3". He says it's because he's tired of critics bashing his movies before they are even released. Well, Mikey, maybe if you tried making a low budget, slow-paced drama, the critics might give you an ounce of respect. But seeing as all your movies look (and pretty much are)  the same, that respect is going to remain a pipe dream.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 11:13pm
I like to think of Tyler Perry movies as live action Veggie Tale movies...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PopcornAvenger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2009 at 1:03am

Well. I like Sci Fi. I like Disney. I like stuff blowing up. I like giant robots!

That said, I didn't like Transformers I. The first half of the movie was actually pretty good, then the plot fell to pieces, the dialogue got even more amateurish, and the entire movie went to hell.

This is about Transformers II, tho'. I had hopes it'd be one of those rare sequels, one that would surpass the original. Hopes that appear to be dashed. Oh, well.

I am, also, developing a strong dislike for Shia Lebeouf. Here's to hoping this second offering of dreck gets his career flushed down the toliet. I doubt it, given the box office, sigh.

I'm not gonna contribute to either his or Bay's pockets by seeing what I already know is a piece of crap, not even on Blu-Ray. Sue me.

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Okay, yes, ALL movies are made in order to make money back, but some, not many, but some are made to be viewed as art. However, ever since the birth of the blockbuster, that goal has taken the backseat.

See, we at the Razzies view movies as food. You have your fruits and veggies (your serious dramas and timeless comedies with complex characters, sharp and witty dialog, and multi-layered plotlines), you have your veggies with some added chocolate, cheese or sugar (SMART blockbusters like "Dark Knight", "Iron Man", and "Star Trek 2009"), and then you have your junk food ("Transformers 2").

"TF 2" is like a cheeseburger with four mystery meat patties that were deep fried, covered with eight slices of melted, artifical cheese, topped with ten strips of geasy bacon, all on a Wonder Bread bun. Sure, it's going to taste good, but it's going to clog your heart and make you fat.

We here at the Razzies are sick of hearing how fat Americans are getting (in other words, tired of seeing nothing but mindless remakes and sequels coming out). All we ask for is more chocolate covered strawberries (summer movies that have CGI and explosions, but with meaningful characters and reasoning behind the CGI and explosions). But sadly, Americans like their fast food because it tastes good, it fills them up, and it's cheap (in order words, shut your brain off and stare at the big, shiney things as they go BOOM!).

Sure, it's going to be the biggest money maker of the year, but just because it's a hit, doesn't mean it isn't st.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2009 at 11:40am
You know, I just read the first sentence of that post, and was totally about to make a whole food analogy as well. Derp. Lazy me. But in mine, I was going to call TF2 a Fried Twinkie.
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I was invited by some friends to see this just this afternoon, and while I
haven't seen the first one, I have this to say for it: If the original
Transformers is half as witless as its sequel, then it must be witless
indeed. The characters are so cartoonish and the plot is so devoid of
attention span that essentially we're watching a loud, long, meaningless
exercise in special effects. One more thing I should point out about the
movie's humor: the gags are so lame that they wouldn't make it on a third-
rate sitcom. Instead of actually thinking of some clever comic scenarios or
writing a few clever one-liners, the filmmakers show a robot dog(or
whatever you want to call it) humping Megan Fox's leg and try passing that
off as a joke.
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I found out today that for one particularly large explosion, they spent SEVEN MONTHS, which was longer than the shooting of the entire film. Does this show where the priorities lie?
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A quick sampling of some of the 31/147 positive reviews:

Good when it is good, but extremely, shockingly, horrifyingly bad when it is bad.

By the climactic desert conflict, in which the entire Valley of the Kings is razed, the film has become so breathtakingly, boneheadedly brazen that it’s easier just to give in.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is everything that made the first film awesome and terrible at the same time... to a factor of ten.

The quintessential Michael Bay movie, though in this instance I mean that as high compliment.
(There's an ACTUAL compliment I snuck in)

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is more proof [Bay] has a great eye for scale and a gift for visceral amazement.
(Armond White liked it... There's a red flag)

Like the original, the film is a giant frenetic spectacle that worships excess.

and finally

While it would be hard to make a case for ‘Revenge of the Fallen’ as ‘good’ in any normal sense of the word, it possesses such brute force that the viewer is left with two options: surrender, or suffer in silence.

I kind of wanted to do that quickly, and didn't feel like attributing the critics for the most part. But it gives you the sense that if you like this, it's going to be a guilty pleasure. If you do like it, more power to ya, I guess.
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SPOILERS!

Also keep in this is nothing but a 150 minute long toy ad for kids, and yet it has a mother eating pot and freaking out, a robot humping Megan Fox's leg, a reference about the giant combining robot's "balls", not to mention when Bumblebee peed on a guy in the first movie, and the fact this movie is full of PG-13 cursing ... and the fact the Twin Autobots are the most insulting sterotypes of blacks since Jar Jar Binks. Yeah, bring the wife and kids along, it's family friendly! Oh, and by the way, Sam buying Bumblebee and meeting the Autobots was not an accident, it was all part of a Cybertron prophecy. Yes, that's right, because nowadays, having a prophecy in your script covers up any and all plotholes ... in theory. Palm, meet forehead.

This movie is the ultimate example of Hollywood trying to cash in, even right before the writer's strike; it was rushed as hell. One critic at RT compared this to "Batman & Robin"; I agree completely.

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The cartoon was also a toy commercial, to be fair.

I was reading the "trivia" section on the IMDB. They're apparently very proud of the AutoBoTwins, as their apparently called.
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"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" sets Wednesday with $60.6 M debut it beat out Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" in 2007 I guess there a safe bet that will be seeing Transformers 3 real soon.
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley


I was reading the "trivia" section on the IMDB. They're apparently very proud of the AutoBoTwins, as their apparently called.

Wow, then the producers must really have low standards if they consider the "GhettoBot Twins" as something to be proud of.

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I read in Rolling Stone critic's Peter Travers (whose a voting RAZZIE member as well) on this not just giving this zero stars but is thinking that this has a shot at the title for Worst Movie of the Decade. Here's a LINK to read his full review...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 11:33am
Well then...
Again, like it if you want, but it certainly seems fair to give it a WotW. I guess the argument on those grounds is fairly ended.
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All right, I came back from seeing Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, and I've come with a review. Not a pro- or anti-Michael Bay letter, mind you.

I honestly don't understand what the problem with everybody around here is. So far, all the negativity surrounding ROTF revolves around the Twins, Skids and Mudflap. Really? I first saw these guys in a trailer, and I was never lead to believe they were degrading stereotypes of African Americans. The fact that people are so hung up on them, as well as Megan Fox's acting (which I'll get to) and the humor of the film, honestly leads me to believe that there are a lot of those who have huge objects up their ass. I'm not kidding, because it was a real exhilirating movie, besides the last part, which dragged out, and I wanted to see the scene where Sam nearly bites it.

This leads me to that scene. This is where the spirit of the first Transformers movie shined the most. It was a very emotional scene, and Megan Fox handled it without going into unnecessary melodramatics or stiff acting (I think she can be a good actress if she can lay off any plastic surgeory, and an interview she did with E! News last night kinda makes me think if recent hate towards her is just angry douches with minimal life). Maybe it's me, the scene was really heartbreaking, seeing Sam Whitwicky almost die. Am I alone here?

The only problems? Well, I can't list any, besides the somewhat long-ass finale (it's still was packed to the gills with action, I'm not lying). And there are numerous shots with so many distracting lens flare. Aside from that, Shia LaBeouf and Megan managed to jump around the romance subplot with humor and some sweetness that elevates it from cliched CW corniness, and co-star John Turturro brings his colorful personality along for the ride as former Sector 7 agent Simmons.

Look, maybe it's me, and I'm probably a puppet of Michael Bay's collection. So, sue me. But I think there are people who are afraid to admit they liked it, and decide to bag on Bay because it seems to be a fad. I won't defend him, but I won't join the crowd and bag on the guy.

Overall, I'll give it a 7/10. Will that be reasonable, or am I being a dick?
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Again, like it if you want, man, but on a movie like this, I don't think anyone is being forced to say they thought it was stupid. As I mentioned above, many of the positive reviews contain the same information as the negatives. It seems to me that you go into it knowing that it's not going to be "good," and then you end up letting that bother you, or you don't. Quite frankly, I think it's important to let it bother you if you really don't need to like it.
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