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Poll Question: Is Welles' 1941 "Masterpiece" The BEST Movie EVER Made??
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    Posted: September 14 2011 at 8:42pm
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I'm riffing on every cheesy awards speech. But is it really racist? I learn jokes from watching American shows and movies.

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Oh,my! I don't know what to say -- It's all so sudden.I think I'm gonna cry! This has been my dream ever since I grew up in the South, and my momma told me "Don't worry, you is gonna be the strongest black woman in history!"

...hang on. Something's wrong about what I just said. What is it? Oh, right! That's my speech for when I win a Razzie after winning an Oscar! LOL    


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: I am unclear what it is you think you are "riffing" on here (GONE WITH THE WIND? Halle Berry??) but I do think you may need to give the above some context since, as it is, it appears to be coming out of the blue and could be perceived as being tinged with racial insensitivity...
 



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We dissected Citizen Kane in great detail in my film class. It is without a doubt one of the greatest films ever made and Orson Welles easily deserved the Oscar as Best Actor for one of the best performances I have ever seen. But since Hearst lobbied against it, it lost almost everything. Ironically, the fate that befell Kane in the film befell Welles himself off-screen. 

As for my personal #1 favorite film, the first two Godfather films take my top spot. I just can't decide between the two. Kane is a spectacular film, but the best ever made? No...but it's certainly near the very very top.
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Good news everybody! It turns out the Le Moyne library does have a copy of Sunset Blvd... on DVD! It was just checked out everytime I went looking for it. It's currently sits on my counters alongside Cabaret, The Caine Mutiny, Chariots Of Fire*, Cimarron*, Coming Home, Dead Poets Society, The Defiant Ones, The Diary Of Anne Frank, and Double Indemnity!
 
*I choose these two because a lot of people dispute their Best Picture wins and I wonder if they'll be less than good, like Around The World In 80 Days and Crash, or "good, but not Best Picture good" like Forrest Gump and My Fair Lady.  
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Not only did I give CHARIOTS OF FIRE 3/10,it's the only classic where I don't get why someone else would like it.Meanwhile,I gave FORREST GUMP a 9 and CRASH a 10.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ITbeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2011 at 2:28pm
I'll give you "Chariots of FIre", other than the awsome theme song the rest of the movie had me doing battle with the SandmanSleepy!
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Well I don't think it was all that bad but did it deserve Best Picture? Not with On Golden Pond in the mix. 
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Don't forget that Raiders Of The Lost Ark (my favorite movie) was up for Best Picture the same year as Chariots Of Fire.
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On Golden Pond Should have picked up Best Picture that Year, I'm glad at least that Henry Fonda won for Best Actor.
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I totally agree. Hepburn and Fonda were pretty spectacular in their roles (as per usual)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SchumacherH8ter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2011 at 9:08pm
Just finished Chariots Of Fire and it was boring. The only Best Picture contender that I've seen from 81' was, obviously, Raiders, but any of them would be better than this! Also, saw Caberat and The Caine Mutiny. They were both enjoyable movies, although I'm not sure about Joel Grey's Best Supporting Actor win. He didn't seem to do much in it. Robert Duvall from The Godfather would have been a better choice.* 
 
*A lot of people think that because James Caan and Al Pacino were nominated as well, they split the vote between the three, much like people think Judy Holliday's win for Born Yesterday over Anne Baxter and Bette Davis for All About Eve was due to this.** 

**I haven't seen Born Yesterday, so it could be a great, legitimate performance. I just know that a lot of people think this.   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Since it is my #1 Favorite Movie of All Time, you will probably not be surprised to hear that I have always thought the Best Actress Oscar for 1950 should have gone not to Davis, Baxter or Holliday, but to Gloria Swanson for SUNSET BLVD. Given the sentimental overtones of finally awarding one of the original movie idols (and the Academy's tendency to always go for the sentimental choice) it's kind of surprising they didn't give it to Gloria. Then again, Academy voters often let their feelings about the overall film color their opinions about individual performances in them -- and most of Hollywood though writer/director Billy Wilder had viciously stabbed them in the back by even making SUNSET BLVD...  


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You're probably right. Anyone from The Godfather was leaps and bounds ahead of Joel Grey. No contest really.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Gotta disagree with you on Joel Grey's Oscar win for CABARET -- The M.C. character is the driving force of the film, and though most of what he did was "musical" rather than "dramatic," I consider his one of the great performances in all of movie musical history. It is also an interesting footnote to any discussion of CABARET that it holds the dubious distinction of being the film that won the most Oscars without winning Best Picture -- CABARET got 8 (including Best Director for Bob Fosse - IMDb LINK) while that year's Best Picture winner, THE GODFATHER, took only 3 (Best Picture, Actor and Adapted Screenplay - IMDb LINK)...  


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I would have to side with HeadRazz on the Joel Grey debate. His onscreen time was not extensive, but he gave the film its atmosphere and power. The impact this movie had really sets it in a different class than the typical Hollywood musical.
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Oh I'm not saying he was bad by ay means. He was a great character to watch. And I know all about the Oscar history between the two films that year. But just because a film wins a lot of Oscars doesn't mean they deserve them *Cough cough* SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE *cough cough*. One could argue that any one of the actors nominated in The Godfather did a lot to drive the show. They had a lot of excellent character development and emotional depth. Were they overshadowed by Brando? well that's just an inevitability. You gotta agree that The Godfather deserved Best Picture though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SchumacherH8ter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:50am
I just thought of something: a lot of people think that Pacino over-acts in his movies because he won his Oscar for an over-the-top performance. If he won for The Godfather, would he still be giving quiet, quality performances?
 
Also, I just rented On Golden Pond from the Le Moyne library. I don't think I'll like it as much as Raiders, but I'm 1000% sure that it'll be better than Chariots Of Fire! (And that third zero was intentional!)
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For Pacino, that's the joke for sure. He lost for so many masterpiece roles to people who hadn't won before so 'it was their time.' Ironically he won for the same reason. 
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