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SuperTeenTopia 
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 Topic: Classic moviesPosted: August 25 2011 at 11:16am |
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In my opinion, the third Beverly Hills Cop movie killed Eddie Murphy's career, and it's never been the same since...
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"People say 'It's all about the story’. When you're making tentpole films, bull$hit." -Andy Hendrickson (Disney Animation Studios' Chief Technical Officer)
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Vits
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Posted: September 03 2011 at 1:47pm |
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I just saw THE GODFATHER. Yes, THE THE GODFATHER.
Usually when people dislike an old movie is because they've seen modern rip-offs of that movie first. I've seen a bunch of mafia and/or gangster movies,but none of the have such amazing dialogue. We also get engaging characters and good performances. Well,Pacino did good during the last part, but before...I know he was meant to be playing a quiet and soft teen but it came off as if he was just reading lines. I know this movie is based on a novel but it has the same narrative structure as a book. The plot changes every 1/2 hour or so. Once or twice I asked myself "where's this movie heading?" and I think it's normal for people to do that. I give it 7/10. After watching this, CASABLANCA, GONE WITH THE WIND and CITIZEN KANE, all I have to do is re-watch THE WIZARD OF OZ and then I can die.
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 03 2011 at 4:11pm |
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"The Godfather" gets less an a perfect score!? Blashphemy!
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Vits
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Posted: September 03 2011 at 4:39pm |
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Are you by any chance one of my grandparents? Because they always hear just the title and the grade!
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 03 2011 at 5:09pm |
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Sorry, Vits, but you're not giving any good reason for GODFATHER to not have a perfect score. I for one am glad Al Pacino was soft spoken, #1 because that's the character and how he changed over time (that's a little something called character development) and #2 it's better than the kind of actor he has become, the one that yells in everything he appears in. And now you're even admitting that your opinions of classic movies are being influenced by modern movies that have copied from them, which is why I suggested not grading the classics in the first place.
And by any chance, are you my 18 year old cousin, if the movie is older than 1990, it's not good enough for you and shouldn't be considered important or respected? (Sorry, had to make some kind of lame comeback).
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Vits
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Posted: September 03 2011 at 5:32pm |
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Why are my reasons not good? Also, I said people in general (not me) are influenced by modern rip-offs.
I didn't say it was wrong that he spoke soft,I said I felt he got carried away by it.
Did I say it doesn't deserve to be considered one of the best movies? No, I said I don't consider it that.
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 03 2011 at 8:10pm |
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I just don't think Pacino being soft spoken is a good enough reason to not give GODFATHER a perfect score. That and because it's considered the greatest mafia movie ever (with the exception of maybe "Goodfellas"), so of course people will copy from it.
Back to Pacino, if you have seen enough of his movies, you will know full well that he doesn't do anything half-assed. If he's going to be soft spoken, he will be pin-drop quiet; if he's going to yell, he's going to sound like he's using a megaphone.
As for your overall opinion, I don't know, I just think you're short-changing timeless classics. One point away from a perfect score, I can accept, but 3 or 4 points, there better be a good reason for it besides not having modern entertainment value like fast pacing or state of the special effects.
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Vits
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Posted: September 04 2011 at 11:08am |
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1)Regardless of how Pacino spoke, I didn't like his performance.
2)I know it's considered that,but that does not obligate me to love it.
When did I say anything like that?
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 04 2011 at 4:32pm |
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1. Well, there are millions of movie lovers who would strongly disagree with you, but that's your opinion and I suppose you're entitled to it.
2. Again, that's your opinion. I just think three points is a bit much due to such a trival thing like an actor being soft spoken because that's what is called for the character. It's like giving a low score to "Rain Man" for calling Dustin Hoffman's performance annoying when it's one of the main traits of the Raymond character.
3. I was talking about your other reviews of classic movies, ie. "2001" and "Ghostbusters". There's a reason why most professional critics are old men, they grew up watching movies from different eras, and they do not judge them from what more modern movies can accomplish.
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Posted: September 04 2011 at 5:39pm |
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I disagree on at least one point: Pacino totally mailed it in with his performance in Any Given Sunday. That shouldn't be surprising. It was a dreadful movie and he was so wildly miscast it isn't hard to understand why he didn't take it seriously.
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Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken
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Vits
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Posted: September 05 2011 at 7:59am |
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1)I didn't review them, I commented on them. I didn't gave them my usual analysis, and as I did with THE GODFATHER. 2)I won't deny my age sometimes makes me look at movies differently, but I have a problem when people seem to only care about my age. There is no movie that everyone will like, and there never will be. But you respond to me as if I hated this one. I liked it, and gave it 4 stars out of 5.
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 05 2011 at 3:04pm |
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Well, nowadays, Pacino "mails it in" almost all the time, but I was just mentioning his overuse of both whisphering and yelling.
RESPONSE from head RAZZberry: Hence, Pacino has already been a RAZZIE® nominee more than once -- and will likely be again this year, depending on how big a fool he makes of himself playing "himself" falling in love with Adam Sandler in drag in JACK & JILL...
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 05 2011 at 3:08pm |
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Well, like it or not, age is a big factor in whether you're going to like certain movies. If you're under the age of 30, and you give a perfect score to some popcorn movie that's all CGI and no story, but then give a low score to a classic black and white movie, people will write you off as being too young and not knowing what makes a good movie.
That's just the way it works, and why most critics are old men, because after 30-50 years of movie watching, they should know what a good movie is.
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Vits
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Posted: September 06 2011 at 7:43am |
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SuperTeenTopia: 2)Why do you assume I dislike all the old movies I've seen? 3)Why would they hire me if I'm "too young"? |
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: September 06 2011 at 7:52am |
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Vits --
1. I've read most of what you posted here. 2. Based on what you have posted, it seems you're often unimpressed by classic films. 3. Who hired you? Are you professional, or just a some guy who posts reviews on IMDb.com for his own amusement?
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Vits
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Posted: September 06 2011 at 9:34am |
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1)Most of what I post here are comments,not reviews.That's why I asked.If you think my opinions are wrong, that's fine, because that's also an opinion, which is the whole point. But I want you to read first my fulll reviews -- The link is in my signature.
2)Come on.I've been through enough forums to know the deal. Let's say that of all the classics I've seen, I've liked most of them. But you wouldn't care. You would just care about the ones I didn't like. I said that I liked 3 of the 4 main performances in THE GODFATHER and all you care was about one of them. If you disagree with me, fine. But at least admit that statement is true. 3)Sorry, I forgot you're new here. I now work as a film critic for the magazine La Pollera. That link is also in my signature.
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