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    Posted: March 18 2009 at 1:13am
I think I might go out and rent some crap movies today whilst nursing yon hangover... Might actually check out Next, and then maybe Ecks vs Sever or I Know Who Killed Me.
Here's the first reason I know that Next is bad though: IT HAS NIC CAGE IN IT. THE GUY MARRIED LISA MARIE PRESLEY TO GET AT HER DEAD DAD'S STUFF. HE WAS IN BANGKOK DANGEROUS. Defending his work, to me, is mindblowing. I like the premise for Next, but I that doesn't mean it was executed properly. Here's my question... It SOUNDS as if they way they ended the movie was by not ending it... Is it one of those things where the movie actually ENDS, or they just figured they'd made us watch long enough?
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I Think Next was one of those movies that was made purely as a torture device. After putting Nic Cage in it, they couldn't think of a way to make it much worse, so they gave it a story that just didn't work. Save yourself 90 minutes of your life, and go watch paint dry instead (watching paint dry will actually enrich your life more than watching Next). Hell, I'd actually recommend Ghost Rider over Next... At least Ghost Rider has a story (even if it does suck)...
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I know there is a debate going on with this and NEXT, but I am going to shift things for now.

First of all, what causes people like Cage to turn from Oscar winners to perennial Razzie candidates?  Nowadays, if there are 100 Nicholas Cage movies, there are 100 Razzie candidates.

Second, the future looks bleak: more Nicolas Cage.  The first is a CGI Astro Boy movie (another Americanized anime), where Cage voices Dr. Tenma.  The second is G-Force (not based on the 80s cartoon), which involves guinea pigs trying to save the world from an evil billionaire.  Cage voices Speckles the Mole.

What happened to Nicolas Cage?

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Well, one going into the movie must know the plot itself is kind of a cop out, seeing how he can die but then come back to life a second later. But, in my opinion, I love the plotline, and thought the movie was excellent (along with other adaptations of the guy who wrote these books). I mean, "Minority Report" was utterly superb and a masterpiece. I love time movies.

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I Think Next was one of those movies that was made purely as a torture device. After putting Nic Cage in it, they couldn't think of a way to make it much worse, so they gave it a story that just didn't work. Save yourself 90 minutes of your life, and go watch paint dry instead (watching paint dry will actually enrich your life more than watching Next). Hell, I'd actually recommend Ghost Rider over Next... At least Ghost Rider has a story (even if it does suck)...

 

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Originally posted by moviewizguy

I mean, "Minority Report" was utterly superb and a masterpiece. I love time movies.



See, this is a statement I can mostly agree with. I found Minority Report to be a decent enough movie (even if it had Tom Cruise). Never read the original story, so I don't know about the quality of the adaptation, but as straight entertainment, it was fun.

You may never win me over as a convert to loving "Next", but I want you to know, I can agree with you on at least one point.


 

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Too bad Nic Cage went un-noticed back in 1993, because this performance is the worst of his career. The movie is "Deadfall" and we may never know why Cage decided to chew up every scene he is in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZhciDUvnlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1fEnhawu_k

I mean, wow, when he's not mumbling every word, he sounds like a barking guard dog. Just ... whoa.

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So I made myself watch Next today... And I did it JUST for you, MWG, you little scamp you... And I felt it was mediocre, at least... I mean, I still like the premise, but half of the movie is him trying to get with Jessica Biel, which... Just MAN is that idea creepy... Nic Cage still sporting that Bangkok Dangerous haircut with Jessica Biel? That's like Gilbert Gottfried dating Rebecca Romijn. Anyway, it has that other half with the action which was... OKish... But finally... the ending? Come on, man... It's not unique, it's just not DONE. I mean, if you wanted to make a movie with every possible permutation to get the desired result, you really should go the Lola Rennt way and keep em fairly brief. To have the movie build up to the whole, "Let's show the way where she dies, and leave you to assume there's a happy ending"... Why not just have an unhappy ending? I mean, I figure that the find the whole cop-out loophole where he can only see 2 minutes into the future, except when he sees her... But I mean, that's a SERIOUS problem. If the movie wasn't convoluted up until that point, that's just SUCH a convenient trick... And it makes that whole love story thing that much more corny. Sooooo... yea, mediocre.
Also, I DID torture myself through I Know Who Killed Me, and as bad as that was, that wasn't as bad as I think people made it out to be. I give them credit for TRYING to be artsy in it. That's one of those movies I was talking about during this year's Worst Picture Razzie... It wasn't bad because they weren't trying, it was just bad. So it gets a couple of points in my book.
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Next lost too many points with the ending. The ending completely ruined everything else I had seen to that point. And I have mentioned to others Nic Cage and the younger women thing... It's pretty damn creepy, indeed.I figure in about 20 years, he'll be making another movie, where he is trying to get with some barely-legal girl... the type that just turned legal like the day before filming began....

And I have to weigh in on the German film here. Lola Rennt was a great piece of film, that shows that you can have multiple time lines in a single film, and still make a decent film. Oddly, it was also one of the first films I ever paid to see multiple times in the theater.  And dammit, now I want to pull it out and watch it again.
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There was some thing on Hollywood dot com I saw the other day... Apparently the record in age difference in a movie is 43 years... Ben Kingley with Mary Kate Olsen in The Wackness. I believe that refers to the character's age.
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43 years...? I think I'm gonna be ill!!!
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"Back in MY day, an iPod was something that an alien came out of to take over your body... well, I mean... I was 30 at the time that movie came out... ok, 40... Err.... This Depression has nothing on the last one... er... D'oh!"
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"Back in my day, we couldn't carry phones in our pockets. You darn kids and your Mobile cellular phon-a-majiggers. What's with all this Threejy stuff? Threejy isn't even a word dagnabbit! 3G? Well...That makes even less sense! Damn kids and your music."

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

"Back in MY day, an iPod was something that an alien came out of to take over your body... well, I mean... I was 30 at the time that movie came out... ok, 40... Err.... This Depression has nothing on the last one... er... D'oh!"


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Originally posted by dEd Grimley

So I made myself watch Next today... And I did it JUST for you, MWG, you little scamp you... And I felt it was mediocre, at least... I mean, I still like the premise, but half of the movie is him trying to get with Jessica Biel, which... Just MAN is that idea creepy... Nic Cage still sporting that Bangkok Dangerous haircut with Jessica Biel? That's like Gilbert Gottfried dating Rebecca Romijn. Anyway, it has that other half with the action which was... OKish... But finally... the ending? Come on, man... It's not unique, it's just not DONE. I mean, if you wanted to make a movie with every possible permutation to get the desired result, you really should go the Lola Rennt way and keep em fairly brief. To have the movie build up to the whole, "Let's show the way where she dies, and leave you to assume there's a happy ending"... Why not just have an unhappy ending? I mean, I figure that the find the whole cop-out loophole where he can only see 2 minutes into the future, except when he sees her... But I mean, that's a SERIOUS problem. If the movie wasn't convoluted up until that point, that's just SUCH a convenient trick... And it makes that whole love story thing that much more corny. Sooooo... yea, mediocre.

Fine.


Also, I DID torture myself through I Know Who Killed Me, and as bad as that was, that wasn't as bad as I think people made it out to be. I give them credit for TRYING to be artsy in it. That's one of those movies I was talking about during this year's Worst Picture Razzie... It wasn't bad because they weren't trying, it was just bad. So it gets a couple of points in my book.

Thank God, there's a sane person here. I've never tried to express my opinions on that film because I didn't really care for it. However, it wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. It looked really artsy, much alike "Blue Velvet." The filmmakers actually tried to make a film compared to other bad movies. The premise was interesting too. I just hated the sex.

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There was sex in that movie?

... It was like 4 seconds of Lohan's freckly back.
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Well, from what I remembered, I fast-forwarded, and it still took, like, some time to get past the sex scene...

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 5:28am

Umm...Roger Ebert gave this 4 stars. Here's the LINK...

I'm speechless! 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Ebert's review notwithstanding, KNOWING does have the lowest RT Rating of any wide release this weekend (currently 26%) -- And it certainly does look suspiciously like a re-hash of NEXT (which was not only a box office dud, but a critical bomb and a dual RAZZIE® nominee as well)...

 

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