QuoteReplyTopic: DISCUSSION of OUR MEMBERS' CHOICES... Posted: January 10 2013 at 8:59pm
My post above was somewhat lengthier, but due to an evident transmission malfunction, it appeared in an almost unreadable form. I offer apologies and thanks to Head Razz for preserving the more important piece of it. Now...on to matters at hand.
For the past several years on this board, I have found myself in the very uncomfortable position of offering lukewarm defense of a series of films, namely the Twilight series. Understand that I have not defended them because I like them: Quite the contrary, I think they are basically harmless trash. I do think they have actually served something of a positive purpose: They have inspired a demographic that doesn't read much and hasn't had much attention from Hollywood to go to the movies and buy a few books. You can't introduce people to great literature or great movies unless you can get them to crack a book or get them into the theater at some point. For that reason, I think the Twilight series has some virtue. It is also my opinion that we, here at the Razzies, have a number of more worthy targets.
Unfortunately, the very worst aspect of any sort of defense of these films is that it places me squarely on the side of the most irritating, annoying fan base on the planet. I will mince no words here: You Twilight fans are a royal pain in the ass. Every time one of your beloved films earns a nomination here, you show up in legion numbers and offer us detailed summations of our ancestry. Your glaring grammatical deficiencies, vulgar ad hominem attacks and generally rude demeanor are exactly the reason so many of the members here take such joy in baiting you with these nominations. Bottomline: If you enjoy these films, knock yourselves out. But don't get worked up because others don't share your enthusiasm. I am reasonably confident that this year's nominee will perform about the same as previous editions once the votes are counted: Lots of nominations and no significant "wins." So take a chill pill, go home and play a little Mystery Date and if you really feel compelled to show up here and shrilly voice your opinions, at least make them intelligible and if at all possible, somewhat intelligent. Your insults and personal attacks will accomplish nothing. Most of us here have very nice lives, thank you, and we wish the same for you when you grow up. And find what consolation you can in that your treasured movie will once again sweep the MTV Awards, driving Miguel into a state of apoplexy.
Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken
KrisStewart (whose Forum name kinda gives away that she's a fan of TWILIGHT) typifies the reason I try so hard to avoid people who love these ludicrous movies --15 words into her post, she's already resorted to foul language and insults! When you can't win an argument on logic, resort to being rude!
Also -- thanks Kenjifujima for giving me such a big laugh -- Imagining the actors from TWILIGHT dubbed had me rolling on the floor!
The "Twilight" movies are also huge here in Japan, where they are usually released dubbed with other actors' voices speaking the dialogue (in Japanese). I feel compelled to say -- Even speaking in other actors' voices, the cast of these films are terrible actors! Their facial expressions alone are hilarious! I can only imagine how ridiculous they must be in English.
I am obviously no fan of these films (I've been dragged to almost every one of them by my girlfriend, who also read the novels in the original English) and am personally happy to see them pile up Razzie nominations year after year. To me, they represent Hollywood movie-making at its laziest and most fan-pandering...
As someone who's proud to be a "Twi-Hard," I gotta say, Black Rose is full of sh*t! Seems like every year you Razzie people, who don't really know what the f**k you're talking about, come back once again to pick on my favorite film series -- one that has delighted fans all over the world, and generated a grand total of more than $3 BILLION in ticket sales!
If the Twilight movies suck so bad, how come so many movie-goers love them??
RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Just because a certain fan base has little or no perspective on something about which they're obsessed doesn't make that something a worthy work of art. While I grudgingly admire the avid way in which TWILIGHT fans defend their (rather silly) obsession, those of us who are immune to the series' charms are not necessarily "full of sh*t." We just haven't chosen to drink the blood-flavored Kool-Aid...
As a high school-aged female (I'm 17) I feel compelled to express embarrassment for all my fellow teens who actually are "Twi-Hards," and who are sulking before their "Team Edward" and "Team Jacob" bedroom-wall-posters in response to this year's Razzie nominations. As far as I'm concerned, TWILIGHT movies (and the idiotic novels on which they're based) have always been CRAP, and BREAKING DAWN 2, as the final film in the franchise, represents one last opportunity for Razzie voters to royally rip one of the worst movie series of all time. I say...GO FOR IT!!!
I get that some people want BREAKING DAWN PART 2 to win, but if it does, it won't actually mean that the whole saga was awarded. I've heard the comparisons to LORD OF THE RINGS with the Oscars, but the difference is that those were all considered to be equally good movies.
If it really has to win, please don't let it pull a JACK & JILL by winning in every category. That has to be reserved for truly awful movies (not franchises) or we will lose credibility.
Last year 2 years ago, when we were discussing THE HUMAN CENTIPEDE PART 2, somebody suggested a Worst Franchise Award. I said it wasn't a good idea because you never know when they're gonna end. But I forgot that there are many franchises where it's established from the start how many installments they're gonna be. So... is too late to create a category for that to award the TWILIGHT saga without awarding BD#2 as Worst Picture?*
I breathed a sigh of relief that John Carter dodged the RAZZIE nominations. But it's still one of the Bottom 40 Films of 2012 (at a very shallow #39. #1 on the Bottom 40 is the flat-out worst film of the year) on a matter of principle: A box office bomb so bad it borders on domestic terrorism. More like a box office star explosion if it really lost as much money as they say (Wasn't its budget 1/4 Gigadollar?)
For Worst Picture, I think I voted for The Devil Inside, One For the Money, A Thousand Words, Battleship, and That's My Boy. I was surprised The Oogieloves in the Big Balloon Adventure made the final cut for Worst Picture (How did that happen?).
I can just imagine the mediocre average-fest The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 sweeping the nominations, but I have an excuse to name it the worst film of 2012 on principle. All that hype, all that fangirl craze, but no staying power!
But if three films didn't get RAZZED when they should have, they were The Devil Inside, Silent Hill: Revelation 3D, and The Apparition.
The most pleasant surprises to me were that One For the Money and Resident Evil: Retribution are finalists!
This time, I really like most of the choices. Very glad Chris Hemsworth did not get nominated for Worst Actor, and SUPER happy that John Carter got no nominations. Gotta say though, the wild card for me was Jessica Biel -- not to say she didn't suck, but she also did not stand out to me so much.
I should also mention that most of the media are talking about how Twilight is leading the Razzie pack, which may indicate that it will win Worst Picture. Personally, I thought the Worst Picture was STILL, and ALWAYS WILL BE, Battleship! The only way to truly make this work is if BOTH Twilight and Battleship jointly "win" Worst Picture, but that's a very rare occasion.
Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.
FYC: Worst Rip-Off: Fifty Shades of Grey (Rip-Off of Secretary and Twilight)
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