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    Posted: September 30 2007 at 12:56am
Just as a quick followup, IMDB lists Monty Python and the Holy Grail at #6 among the best comedy films of all time. The list has its flaws; Ratatouille made the top 10 as well. But numerous credible sources place Holy Grail at least in the top 20. By comparison Epic Movie was #65 on IMDB's all-time worst comedy list. C'mon, moviewizguy. The Red Sox and the Devil Rays are both baseball teams. But one of them is good, the other isn't. Get it?
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...okay, so I have to basically go with the crowd? No. Monty Python wasn't that funny! You gotta be kidding that people actually laugh at those stuff? You have to (you really do) that there are a lot of jokes in Monty Python that fell flat and wasn't funny at all. God, some were just plain awful. Please, read my review again because I'm sticking with it. One is the same as the other. No better. No worse.
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And why is it so hard for you to believe some people have different opinions than you?! People aren't like Hitlar, you know? People have different tastes in comedies! I love toilet and crude humor and I don't like the way Monty Python plays it's humor as much as the humor I'm used to. Jeez, you people need to have an opened mind and I even admitted that Epic Movie is for teens! If you gave 2 screenings of Epic Movie and Monty Python to all teens, many (trust me), MANY of them will prefer Epic Movie. I had a better time in Epic Movie than I did in Monty Python. MP were skits like in Satuday Night Live, where if one skit doesn't work, you will have to wait at least 5 minutes for the next one. See, I don't think the musicals work. The prince who has to marry that fat girl, did NOT work at all. The "Ni" people wasn't as funny as many thought it was. See, it's just about the taste! STOP BLAMING ME!

Response from Head RAZZberry: Wow! Sounds like you seriously need to calm down! First of all, I hardly think we're treating you like "Hitlar" (which, by the way, is spelled "Hitler"). Secondly, we're not blaming you, we're disagreeing with you -- Which, interestingly, is the very thing you think you're making a case for in this post. And lastly, anyone who thinks EPIC MOVIE was funnier than Monty Python definitely has a 180-degree different sense of humor than I do. Python (and specifically HOLY GRAIL) has had me laughing for decades (even with repeat viewings) while EPIC MOVIE got a total of maybe one semi-chuckle from me the one time I ever intend to view it.

So, moviewizguy, while I will defend your right to have opinions that differ from mine (and I have done so repeatedly in the past) I will not sacrifice my right to do the same. And, like it or not, I will continue to call you on our disagreements. If that's not something you can handle, I should think you'd have a difficult time posting your opinions on ANY Internet Forum, since sharing divergent reactions (and respecting one anothers' right to disagree) is what this kind of venue is supposed to be all about... 

 
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Here's my review for MP (7/10):

King Arthur is recruiting his Knights of the Round Table throughout England. After that, they are given a quest by God to find the Holy Grail with a few obstacles along the way.

This movie is known by many people as a comedy classic. I was thinking, "Wow! This must be a hilarious movie!" But was it a hilarious movie? For me, it wasn't. It was by far a decent movie that delivers mostly chuckles.

People have different tastes of humor. This movie, I think, is meant to play skit after another skit after another skit, like "The Ten" or "The Kentucky Fried Movie". Well, this was actually my first movie that has skits in it.

This movie has a fair share of bad skits and a bit more funny ones which is why I give it a decent rating. There are little parts of the film where it made me laugh out loud. I mostly chuckled throughout or sigh on the bad skits.

The cast has a fair share of the humor and they all get along well. Is this movie good? Well, for the most part, yeah. Was the movie hilarious? For the most part, no. I just thought it was a decent comedy but not anything special, though.
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Here's hoping an African swallow drops a coconut on moviewizguy's head!
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OMG, moviewizguy, I think you just made a ton of enemies today. Monty Python NOT funny!? Hello!? Those Monty Python movies were totally hilarious. And though they were made in the '70s to the '80s, they're still making a whole lot of people laugh. And not to mention a whole lot of people enjoy quoting from those movies. I do that a lot with my cousins, who are big fans of those Monty Python movies. Even my mom, and my aunts and uncles would do that as well, and we still get ourselves laughing a lot.
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I'm sure I've already made enough enemies.
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I don't choose friends (or enemies) on the basis of whether or not they agree or disagree with my particular points of view, particularly my tastes in comedy. But there is a point to be made (which has already been hinted at in a few previous posts). Monty Python and the Holy Grail was made over 30 years ago, and still has an enormous audience. I'm willing to bet that 30 years from now, you won't even be able to catch Epic Movie on a 2 A.M. showing on AMC.

I have no problem whatsover with the fact that EM appeals to your sense of humor (which you may find changes dramatically over the next few decades of your life). However, when you try to compare a minor, throw away comedy to a classic of the comedy genre, expect disagreement.

I will give you credit for this: At least you didn't compare it to, say, City Lights. If you had, I'd have had to pay you a visit.

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So moviewizguy (the Will Rogers of movie-goers -- he's never seen a movie he actually didn't like) has the temerity to suggest that the incredibly UN-funny and derivative "Epic Movie" is actually funnier than the classic "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"??  For your edification (a big word that stands for something you seem desperately in need of) the current list of All Time BEST Movies on the IMDb lists "MP&HG" at #53 (LINK) while their list of All Time WORST Movies has "Epic Movie" listed at #65 (LINK). So it appears blatantly obvious that there are a lot more serious movie-lovers who prefer Python to that pile of steaming cliche's you suggest is a modern comedy classic...

And thank God for that -- If I thought there were more people as simple-minded as moviewizguy in the world than there are connoisseurs of Monty and their Flying Circus, I'd have to seriously consider becoming a world-class agorophobe.

Oh, and by the way: Your spelling of "Hitlar" was PRICELESS!!
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Please, read again. I found both of them the same, no better, no worse.
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According to moviewizguy, "Epic Movie" is "no better, no worse" than "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"???

Sorry, Dude -- Yer still an idiot!! 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Let's try and refrain from personal attacks on this Forum. Clearly, many of us completely disagree with moviewizguy, but let's remain respectful of his right to have a divergent opinion...
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"Edification?"

Darn, #1 Slyfan is really going to blast us now

 
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Wow.  Hey, MWG, let me give you an example where I diverge from nearly everyone else. 

I liked the first half of Good Luck Chuck.  There were plent of jokes that fell flat, but there were so many things that made me laugh, I didn't mind, and neither did the rest of the audience.  It was great.  Now, most critics, and a good number of people, disagree with me.  They didn't like either half of the movie.  But that's okay.

Monty Python in general, and The Holy Grail being second for me only to The Meaning of Life, cracks me up.  It's so absurd, all the way from "I'm not dead yet!" to "Help!  Help!  I'm being repressed!" to "I said it again!  I said it again!" to "You shall not count to 3 unless you proceed thereto to 4.  5 is right out." to "African or European?" to "I fart in your general direction".  Again, there were many things in that movie I didn't feel were funny, but there was plenty of things that made me laugh that I didn't mind.  In this case, most people seem to agree with me.

Epic Movie was a total waste.  I hardly laughed.  It's really sad when Carmen Elektra gives one of the better performances, and I'm not saying Elektra's Mystique was good.  The funniest scene for me was when they discovered the universal remote from Click and started massacring the "paused" enemy horde.  That doesn't make up for seeing a centaur swap spit with a beaver, though.  I'm glad I saw it at the cheap theatre, so I didn't spend that much on such an awful movie.  Most people agree with me.

You don't.  That's fine.  But don't be surprised if people challenge you on it.
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Posts: 2577 		Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2007 at 5:29pm

It probably should be noted that not only is Holy Grail a generally accepted comedy classic, but here we are 30 some years later, and the stage adaptation (Spamelot) is one of the hottest tickets on Broadway and a Tony winner to boot.

Shocking prediction here: Epic Movie  will never, ever be adapted to the stage.
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Obviously...
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

Obviously...

So how do you make a legitimate comparison between the two movies? What is your basis for comparison?

If I might return to the baseball analogy that I started earlier: It's entirely okay to be a Devil Rays' fan. If you are, its entirely okay to be less enthusiastic about the Red Sox. However, if you are going to make a comparison suggesting that the two are equivalent entities in the world of baseball, this season or over the course of their respective histories,  you are going to have to come up with some legitimate quantification for that argument, lest your claim forfeits any intellectual validity.
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