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    Posted: July 27 2010 at 8:05pm
10, not in any particular order, not mentioned in the post above,  and not necessarily the top 10: Chaplin's City Lights, Shindler's List, Citizen Kane,  The Godfather, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Graduate, Casablanca, A Clockwork Orange, Fantasia, Modern Times
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Factually, JFK is not meant to be "factual." It's like saying "The Queen" was factual. However, it's a very good movie. Costner in the court room scene shows that he can act, in my opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 8:54pm
Crash is a fantastic film. BBM disappointed me because people wanted it to win over Crash and when I saw it, I felt underwhelmed. It was like another Romeo and Juliet story. 

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

The same could be said about "Brokeback Mountain" losing to "Crash".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TaRaN-RoD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 9:18pm
... I couldn't have said it better... Agree!

And Hudson Hawk is an awful movie!!!  

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

JFK wasn't a particularly good movie...factually, it was outright nonsense. Nor was Costner particularly good in it. Not only was his performance fairly wooden, but he offered an heroic portrayal of one of the most despicable people in recent American history.
 

Factually, it's not meant to be "factual." It's like saying "The Queen" was factual. However, it's a very good movie. Costner in the court room scene shows that he can act, in my opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BurnHollywoodBurn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 11:40am
The only reason why "BBM" got all the acclaim that it did was because it was about gay (yet manly) cowboys. If it was about lesbians or flaming homosexual men, no one would have cared, and it would have been written off as softcore porn. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 2:23pm
MWG, your penchant for revisionist history is exceeded only by your appreciation of unwatchable films.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Factually, JFK is not meant to be "factual." It's like saying "The Queen" was factual. However, it's a very good movie. Costner in the court room scene shows that he can act, in my opinion.
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Good list, saturnwatcher, good list! Clap  

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

10, not in any particular order, not mentioned in the post above,  and not necessarily the top 10: Chaplin's City Lights, Shindler's List, Citizen Kane,  The Godfather, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Graduate, Casablanca, A Clockwork Orange, Fantasia, Modern Times
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 8:15am
I'm sorry, saturnwatcher. I really don't understand what was meant by the post below... 

But anyway, JFK is a conspiracy film. Nobody walks into a conspiracy film wanting something factual-based. 

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

MWG, your penchant for revisionist history is exceeded only by your appreciation of unwatchable films.
 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Sorry, MWG, but I must admit that I personally find Oliver Stone's JFK to be among the most irresponsible, revisionist and dangerous movies of the last 20 years. The idea that younger movie-goers like yourself think Stone was even remotely telling "the truth," and that Stone himself admitted he had "played around" with the facts, is a big part of why I find the movie so reprehensible...  



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Post Options Post Options   Quote BurnHollywoodBurn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 9:29am
The only thing that can be considered a fact in "JFK" is that a "magic bullet" with the ability to cause 7 enter and exit wounds on 2 men is impossible. Other than that, the movie is pretty much up in the air on what actually happened.
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I never said he was trying to tell the "truth" of JFK's assassination. Didn't I just try to argue that the film wasn't about retelling the accounts of the assassination in the most factual way? I mean, look at Inglorious Basterds and The Queen, if you must. It's not a crime to "rewrite" history in film.  

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: And I never said Stone didn't acknowledge "rewriting history" with JFK -- My objection was to his admitting he knew he'd done so, and cavalierly saying that he was fine with the idea of people who saw the film being unaware that he had done so, and thus accepting his revisionist version as "history"...  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote TaRaN-RoD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 2:21pm
... Okay I actually cannot believe what I see.... you guys are bashing JFK now??!!! WTH???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BurnHollywoodBurn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 2:52pm
I'm guessing it's because HeadRazz and saturnwatcher were alive during the JFK shooting and trials, so they might know from first-hand experience of what happened during those times, unlike younger generations who saw the movie in the '90s... 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Not only was I "alive" at the time of the actual JFK assassination, I did extensive research on the subject for a term paper about 10 years later, including reading Jim Garrison's own book about his attempt to bring the case to trial in the late 1960s. If you had read Garrison's book, you'd know the man was a whack job, using the late President's name for his own gain and publicity -- and not the Aticus Finch-like, noble character Kevin Costner portrayed in Stone's historically bogus, manipulative movie version...
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It is very troubling to me, as well, that Stone (and Costner) portrayed Jim Garrison in a very heroic light without, at any point, offering a disclaimer that in reality, the man was a complete basket case. Worse still, this film perpetuates a lot of conspiracy myths that should have been dispatched to the dust bin of history long ago.  
 
It is on the whole, rather amazing that while I was only in first grade when the events of that terrible November day happened, all of the television images, reactions of the people around me and the other events in the days that followed are still burned so clearly into my mind. We endured the shock of that day, the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald on national televison, and that painful funeral. 

I truly hope America never again has to endure a week like that, and those events do NOT need to be clouded by someone like Oliver Stone.
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In as much as I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion about JFK assassination mythology, the "magic bullet" wasn't magic at all as demonstrated by recreations by the National Academy of Sciences and other subsequent investigations. Among many other books, I would refer you to Gerald Posner's excellent book, Case Closed. If you ever get the opportunity, I would also urge you to visit the museum in the Texas Book Depository in Dallas. You can actually stand in the exact location of the sniper's nest where Oswald took the shots, and see that they weren't difficult. As poor of a shot as I am, I think I could have pulled it off, and despite claims by some conspiracy theorists to the contrary, Oswald was certified as a marksman in the Marine Corps.  

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Not to join the "Conspiracy Buff" crowd, but I have always found it significant that from his perch in the School Book Depository, Oswald had a direct, head-on shot at Kennedy's limo before it turned that last corner -- A shot not obscured by any trees or obstacles. If he did indeed act alone, why did he wait until he had to take a far more difficult, less-likely-to-succeed shot? Not necessarily proof of anything, but an interesting paradox...  
 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote BurnHollywoodBurn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 8:41pm
Well, America did have to live through all of that again, on 9/11. Which, Oliver Stone also made a movie about! The man does love making movies about the worst moments in America's history. I wouldn't be surprised if he'll follow up "Wall Street 2" with a movie about the BP oil spill.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 8:47pm
Terrible and memorable as the events of 9/11/01 were, and I do not mean to downplay them, I think that at least for those of us who had to endure both, there is very little comparison, simply because the times were so much different in 1963 than in 2001.
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