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    Posted: May 02 2010 at 6:50pm
Well, Wes Craven didn't like the ending himself. The producer made him change it. It ruins the point because through the original, Craven intended Nancy to grow and mature and defeat Freddy Krueger by herself. It was a metaphor for innocence overcoming evil and the fact that he does come back, leaving an opened ending just ruins the movie. 

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

Okay, if you say so. I just don't see how the "Nightmare" ending ruined the whole movie, while according to the "Next" ending, 80% of the movie you watched didn't happen.
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Yeah, and Nic Cage's character in "Next" can only see two minutes into the future, yet for some reason he then sees days into the future, thus breaking the movie's rule for no reason, so 80% of the movie never happened, there's no closure, and Cage's character doesn't gain anything from the experience. In other words, the movie is a complete waste of time.  

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Well, Wes Craven didn't like the ending himself. The producer made him change it. It ruins the point because through the original, Craven intended Nancy to grow and mature and defeat Freddy Krueger by herself. It was a metaphor for innocence overcoming evil and the fact that he does come back, leaving an opened ending just ruins the movie.
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Time out....Are you saying that a movie that is pretty well received in its time, is state of the art in terms of effects, but dragged down a bit by plot points and mediocre performances can lose a lot of its luster over the passage of a few decades because of those elements AND the fact that state of the art screen technologies tend to get overshadowed by improving technologies? Hmmmmm
 
(incidentally...just for the record, I'm not much of a fan of the original series either. BUT...I don't think it is necessary to remake it, just because nobody in Hollywood has a better idea.)  

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Can I ask you something? Did you really think the original film was that good? I mean, the mediocre performances  (with an exception of Englund), the cheesy effects, and the outright terrible ending that ruined the whole point of what happened previously? I never considered the original film to be all that great because of those main flaws.
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And didn't we talk about how 30 years from now, by future standards, Avatar's CGI might be considered cheesy as well and thus the movie will suffer as a whole?
 
And this is yet another thing with MWG and his love of bad movies. Every movie listed here has critics saying how they are full of plot holes and mediocre performances, yet he goes around proclaiming how good these movies are, but he bashes older movies on the same flaws -- Classic armchair critic!   
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Time out....Are you saying that a movie that is pretty well received in its time, is state of the art in terms of effects, but dragged down a bit by plot points and mediocre performances can lose a lot of its luster over the passage of a few decades because of those elements AND the fact that state of the art screen technologies tend to get overshadowed by improving technologies? Hmmmmm
 
(incidentally...just for the record, I'm not much of a fan of the original series either. BUT...I don't think it is necessary to remake it just because nobody in Hollywood has a better idea.)
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MCP review!
 
 
My favorite line: "Freddy is a child raper, and Michael Bay is a raper of childhood memories".
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Talk about unoriginality on top of unoriginality:

http://www.collider.com/2010/05/03/3d-nightmare-on-elm-street-sequel-greenlight/

Sequel of a remake (or in this case, a reboot)? Last time I checked, no one was comparing this movie to Star Trek or Batman Begins.

Seltzerberg is back?

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!

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Don't you mean a child murderer?  

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

My favorite line: "Freddy is a child raper, and Michael Bay is a raper of childhood memories".
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No, they said "raper" in the review, and the movie, he was a "rapist." Because, as MCP said, it's not enough to be a child murderer, your serial killer MUST be a pedophile, too.
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That stuck-up bastard has now officially gone too far.  He includes a proper name in one of his warning signs and he blames the producer, not the director or screenwriter, for this film.  His cursing and misuse of words are bad enough, but this is just stupid.  This guy should be banned from the internet because his false logic has caused him to jump the shark.
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Uh...you do realize he's saying the exact same thing that 96 percent of professional critics are also saying? So why is must he be "banned from the Internet" for sharing the opinions of pro critics? Face it, man, Bay is a talentless, money-grubbing hack, and a raper of childhood memories as stated before. He's the goddamn Paris Hilton of producer/directors.
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The 3 Big Ones on any movie are the director,writer and producer. If a movie's bad, I figure you can blame them all, or just one or two.
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Yes, but the producer is usually the guy who chooses the writer and director. So of course Bay chose hacks just like himself.
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It sounds like Michael Bay could win the next Worst Career Achievement Award by a landslide! 
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True that. 15 years in the business and Bay has only maybe one-and-a-half "good" movies to show for it! 
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Does that award counts only the movies he directed?Because he has 2 movies that are good,4 that are bad,and 3 that are average.I don't think he qualifies for that award.
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Originally posted by Vits

Does that award counts only the movies he directed?Because he has 2 movies that are good,4 that are bad,and 3 that are average.I don't think he qualifies for that award.
No, by Razzie count, it's 1 and 1/2 good, everything else he touches or breaths on, BAD.
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