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    Posted: January 03 2009 at 5:07pm

Ernest Borgnine was listed for Worst Supporting Actor...that was the only mention Strange Wilderness received on the Nominating Ballot (if memory serves correctly). I rather doubt that Borgnine will make the final five.

Now...I really can't believe I almost missed this one:

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Well the critics are counting on us to give Disaster Movie the punishment it deserves, so why don't we give the critics the results they want?

Excuse me, Miguel, but indulge my curiousity... considering  your frequently stated belief that critics are part of some sort of "corrupt" cabal, why would it suddenly be important to you that we do anything to appease their desires?

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I only think that critics would be corrupt if their reviews were hard to agree with or contained insults or exposed unnecessary information or showed a bias towards the cast, crew, or genre.

As for the case of Disaster Movie, the critics and the community agree that the film should get punished, seeing that the creators practically murdered cinema (figure of speech).  The critics are calling it the most universally panned film since "Freddy Got Fingered".  It looks like a big Razzie favorite compared to most of the other films (some articles say that no other bad films come close).

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Ernie B? Yea, I'm not giving Ernie B a Razzie -- no matter how lame that movie might've been.

 

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Considering the circumstances for next week, the battle for Box Office Supremacy will be between Bride Wars, The Unborn, and possibly Gran Torino.

As for DVDs this Tuesday, we have the Worst Refuge to Get Away from Something Even Worse (Babylon A.D.), Worst Impeding of Their Own Work (The Pang Brothers, Bangkok Dangerous), Worst Downfall of a Movie Legend (Al Pacino, Righteous Kill), Worst Excuse for an Actual Movie, Most Flatulent Teen-targeted Movie, Worst Disregard of Human Life and Just About Everything Else, Worst Thing to Defy its MPAA Rating, and Worst Menace to Entertainment (Disaster Movie).

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Youch... What a sad, sad week. I think Gran Torino looks good, at least... Too good to make any money.
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My lord, FOUR worst DVD movies of the week?! Perfect viewing right before Razzie voting...   

Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

As for DVDs this Tuesday, we have the Worst Refuge to Get Away from Something Even Worse (Babylon A.D.), Worst Impeding of Their Own Work (The Pang Brothers, Bangkok Dangerous), Worst Downfall of a Movie Legend (Al Pacino, Righteous Kill), Worst Excuse for an Actual Movie, Most Flatulent Teen-targeted Movie, Worst Disregard of Human Life and Just About Everything Else, Worst Thing to Defy its MPAA Rating, and Worst Menace to Entertainment (Disaster Movie).

 

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Notice that only two are on the nominating ballot.  If those categories were on this year's ballot, those movies would win them.
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Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

I only think that critics would be corrupt if their reviews were hard to agree with or contained insults or exposed unnecessary information or showed a bias towards the cast, crew, or genre.

 

With all due respect, it rather sounds as if you have established a standard which essentially says, "If I agree with the bulk of the critics, they are doing a good job. If I don't, they are "corrupt" hacks."

Sometimes I like movies that get panned. I just assume that said movies can be charged off as guilty pleasures. As long as I'm entertained, I don't care that much what anyone else may think.

That said, I think that movie critics have a rather difficult job. I don't mean that in the sense that a lot of people out there have really demanding, backbreaking or tedious occupations. I'm sure a lot of people out there assume that getting paid to watch movies is a pretty good gig. But they also have to do a lot of research AND write interesting columns that people want to read...generally 3 or so times a week. More often than not, they are probably trying to write interesting material about movies that don't interest them in the least. So, my hat is off to movie critics...especially the really good ones like Roger Ebert, with whom I don't always agree, but his writing is always first rate. 

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Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

Notice that only two are on the nominating ballot.  If those categories were on this year's ballot, those movies would win them.

Hey, whatever will move "Disaster Movie" closer to the "winner's" circle is fine by me. Sorry to those who don't think it shouldn't win, but this movie is just as much a Razzie Baiter as most of the movies released at the end of the year are Oscar Baiters. Maybe Uwe Boll's works will win Worst Picture in the end, but this movie needs to get Razzed in some way, shape or form.

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Well, Ernie's spot on the ballot might be my fault to some degree...however, if you have seen this movie (and I'd advise against it ) I think you'd be appalled by just how out of place he was in this trainwreck of a film -- for starters, he actually has talent.

It's hard to imagine what was on his mind when he accepted this role, beyond having the opportunity to put on the "Look World, I'm Still Alive!" tee shirt. As I pointed out in a previous post, Ernie is reaching the age where this might be all the younger folk will remember him for, and that would be a monumental tragedy. 

His appearance in this travesty was an embarrassment of Ruthian proportions, and I think he deserves a Razzie nomination for that alone...

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Ernie B? Yea, I'm not giving Ernie B a Razzie -- no matter how lame that movie might've been.

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I didn't see SW, but I'd like to Razz Justin Long for just about everything he's ever done. Especially the Mac/PC ads.
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I like to look at each critic individually, and judge their reviews overall.  If their reviews are agreeable enough, and their reasons are understandable, then I figure people can relate to them and agree.  But if they aren't, then those critics should expect to be in for an angry reception...

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

I only think that critics would be corrupt if their reviews were hard to agree with or contained insults or exposed unnecessary information or showed a bias towards the cast, crew, or genre.

With all due respect, it rather sounds as if you have established a standard which essentially says, "If I agree with the bulk of the critics, they are doing a good job. If I don't, they are "corrupt" hacks."

Sometimes I like movies that get panned. I just assume that said movies can be charged off as guilty pleasures. As long as I'm entertained, I don't care that much what anyone else may think.

That said, I think that movie critics have a rather difficult job. I don't mean that in the sense that a lot of people out there have really demanding, backbreaking or tedious occupations. I'm sure a lot of people out there assume that getting paid to watch movies is a pretty good gig. But they also have to do a lot of research AND write interesting columns that people want to read...generally 3 or so times a week. More often than not, they are probably trying to write interesting material about movies that don't interest them in the least. So, my hat is off to movie critics...especially the really good ones like Roger Ebert, with whom I don't always agree, but his writing is always first rate. 

 

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Once again, I cannot stress this enough, if you really want to know how the mind of a film critic works, you need to read the book "5 Stars. Becoming A Film Critic: The World's Greatest Job". Not only does it explain in graphic detail how to become a critic, it has a list of 100 movies to watch in order to work your movie critic muscules so you're able to tell a good movie from a bad one. So please, let's not fall back on the whole "critics don't know what they are talking about" arguement.

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There still are the critics out there who got into their position through sheer luck, and get paid (by the studios) for the reviews that you actually hear about. There IS a level of corruption amongst them to some extent. Though not quite what Miguel's getting at, perhaps.
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley

There still are the critics out there who got into their position through sheer luck, and get paid (by the studios) for the reviews that you actually hear about. There IS a level of corruption amongst them to some extent. Though not quite what Miguel's getting at, perhaps.

Yes, I know there are studios that hire critics to say how great their movies are, but I think Miguel meaning of "corrupt" is how they don't know a good movie from a bad one and will give negative reviews no matter what. Granted, there are critics out there that are like that, but that isn't the norm for all critics in general.

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Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

I like to look at each critic individually, and judge their reviews overall.  If their reviews are agreeable enough, and their reasons are understandable, then I figure people can relate to them and agree.  But if they aren't, then those critics should expect to be in for an angry reception...

 

Recalling some of the blanket indictments that you have issued against the critics represented by RT (which is just about every regularly published critic in America) that statement doesn't really wash  (Yes, I can quote you)

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