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    Posted: March 15 2010 at 9:43am
And Miley Cyrus would NEVER have become famous if teenage boys didn't think she was hot. Period. 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Hate to burst yer bubble, Ded, but as the father of a 14-year-old son, I don't think teen-aged boys have much at all to do with Miley's "success" -- Her main fan base is pre-pubscent girls who look at Cyrus and dream of achieving similar "success" themselves. And since 9 out of every 10 pre-pubescent girls is at least as talented as Cyrus herself, it's not that far-fetched a fantasy...  
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That was the second step in a process that started with having a father to get her through the door. Idolizing teen girls are also in the equation. But the suspicion here is that if Miley Cyrus had been born Miley Smith from Backwater, Tennessee, she'd have had to pursue very different career options.
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Wrong.She became famous when she was 13,and nobody even thought of her being 'hot'til the Vanity Fair pics,when she was 15.And she's not a country singer.The songs from this movie are the only country songs she has ever sung.   

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

And Miley Cyrus would NEVER have become famous if teenage boys didn't think she was hot. Period.
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Vits, please try to accept the fact that the only reason why Miley Cyrus is famous is because she has the backing of Disney, a media giant, promoting her talentless self morning, noon, and night, mostly to pre-teen childern who don't know what good music is.
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley


And Miley Cyrus would NEVER have become famous if teenage boys didn't think she was hot. Period. RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Hate to burst yer bubble, Ded, but as the father of a 14-year-old son, I don't think teen-aged boys have much at all to do with Miley's "success" -- Her main fan base is pre-pubscent girls who look at Cyrus and dream of achieving similar "success" themselves. And since 9 out of every 10 pre-pubescent girls is at least as talented as Cyrus herself, it's not that far-fetched a fantasy...  


Girls look to her as being hot and a role model as someone to look like. One thing I've learned about girls over the years, being hot is more important to themselves and the other girls, and they base their model of what's hot off of what boys seem to be into.
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Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

Vits, please try to accept the fact that the only reason why Miley Cyrus is famous is because she has the backing of Disney, a media giant, promoting her talentless self morning, noon, and night, mostly to pre-teen childern who don't know what good music is.

Girls between 13 and 18 like her too,mostly'cuz of the show,but boys too,and they all know what good music is.

I'm not sayin'she's one of the greatest actresses or musicians.I'm sayin'she's not the worst.

Whatever you think'bout the Grammys,ev'ryone consider them the Oscars of music,and they don't nominate anyone.

Do you think kids and teens like ev'rythin'and ev'rybody?No.If you play some music,and make them watch G-rated shows and movies,they won't like ev'rythin'.

I know I "sound" stubbern,and I keep defendin'people and things you hate,but that's only'cuz it seems unfair to trash them'cuz you don't like their personalities,which you think you know,or that they're famous for the wrong reasons.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2010 at 3:43pm
So let's discuss the one Miley Cyrus song that I can ever think of when I'm forced to... That "The Best of Both Worlds" song. Isn't that a song about her doing the whole dual personality, Miley/Hannah thing? Do you mind if I ask in what world a song about one's own TV show might be considered especially deep or thought-provoking?
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Uhhh...that's the show's theme song,written for it.Of course the lyrics have to say that.
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Then why don't you point me to something insightful she's written?
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I'm not sure how many times I'm going to have to point this out, but like many of the other celebrities we have roasted here, I don't think any of us "hate" any of them...that includes Miley Cyrus. In her particular case, I think most of us have blasted her because she is a fraud. She didn't achieve her station in life by being exceptionally talented. In fact, I think you could find a girl of her age with approximately equal or greater talent for both music and acting ability in almost every high school in the United States.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2010 at 6:47pm
Lol I think it was saturn that I disagreed with last time about hating Hollywood, but I do agree on this one. I don't hate her by any means, I just don't feel that she deserves praise of any kind.
But in order for saturn's theory to work, you also have to factor in having a father who wrote a popular, particularly inane country song 15-20 years ago or whenever that musical abomination first came out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 7:02am
Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Then why don't you point me to something insightful she's written?

When did I say her songs are insightful?

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

I'm not sure how many times I'm going to have to point this out, but like many of the other celebrities we have roasted here, I don't think any of us "hate" any of them...that includes Miley Cyrus.

I guess then it's just BurnHollywoodBurn.

Originally posted by dEd Grimley

But in order for saturn's theory to work, you also have to factor in having a father who wrote a popular, particularly inane country song 15-20 years ago or whenever that musical abomination first came out.

I'm not denyin'she became famous for the wrong reasons,but so did great entertainers like Elvis,so it's not fair to hate them for that.

Also,at least half of the children(specially outside the U.S.)didn't know'bout Billy Ray'til the show.She became famous'cuz she had an ability to sing and improvise(not excellent)at only 13,in an Emmy Award-winnin'show(don'tell me you think the Emmys are garbage too).The same happened to Amanda Bynes,except she was younger when she joined ALL THAT.
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Insightful, or actually good in any other way. If you're going to make the argument Miley Cyrus is a good musician, give me a way in which she is. She's a cookie cutter pop star, nothing else. You could put virtually any teenage girl who's taken a theater class and you can get that obnoxious, hammy attitude that it takes to be on TV or singing a song. Yes, they're virtually the same thing.

How did Elvis become famous for the wrong reasons? At the very least, he had a unique style of dance which hadn't really been done before. That's with the music aside.

And KIDS didn't need to know who Billy Ray was, producers did, which adds to her general marketability. And has been stated by pretty much everyone else here, you can find a girl who can sing and act as well as Miley, or has the exact same style, in almost every high school in America, although you might need to look at high schools with 200 seniors or more... Any moderate to large high school let's say. I can think of at least 5 or 6 from my high school IMMEDIATELY. Having had to watch Hannah Montana at work before, I can honestly say they can and did the exact same spiel. In fact, if you were aware that a few weeks ago, there was a little game going on on Facebook where you'd post a picture of the celebrity you most look like, and one girl that I graduated that fits that description actually used Miley Cyrus (although this girl is like... 27-28 by now).

Anyway, I think this argument has gotten to broad for my tastes, so I'm going to get back to simply saying that she's unworthy of praise, rather than try to debate her individual merits, or lack thereof.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 7:56am
I'm going to have to jump on the Elvis remark too...Elvis came from humble origins and brought a unique style of entertainment to the public consciousness. His songs remain extremely popular today. I rather doubt that Miley Cyrus will be anywhere near as enduring.
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley


How did Elvis become famous for the wrong reasons? At the very least, he had a unique style of dance which hadn't really been done before. That's with the music aside.

And has been stated by pretty much everyone else here, you can find a girl who can sing and act as well as Miley, or has the exact same style, in almost every high school in America, although you might need to look at high schools with 200 seniors or more...

1)Elvis didn't care'bout music,he cared'bout bein'famous.
2)You just said "sing and act as well as Miley".
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Arrrrrgh...
Again, as saturn points out, he brought something new and enduring. Miley has brought a successful marketing ploy that's been used time and time again for almost 40 years now.
To say that they can do as well as Miley never, at any time, suggests that what that quality is, is all that good in the first place.
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