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    Posted: March 03 2007 at 10:44pm
More proof that "most Americans like crappy movies."

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/wild-hogs-goes-hog-wil d-at-box-office-jake-gyllenhaals-zodiac-disappoints/

"Zodiac and Black Snake Moan opened only so-so at the box office this weekend while the PG-13 rated Wild Hogs made a mint.

Wild Hogs about four middle-aged guys... rode off on their motorcycles together for $10.8 mil Friday and what should be a whopping $32.5 mil weekend.

By contrast, No. 2 Zodiac, the serial killer saga from Paramount.... made only $4 mil Friday for what should be a disappointing $11.5 mil weekend..."


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Some reviews from Rotten Tomatoes..

"An unending cycle of gay-panic and object-collides-with-testicles jokes..."

"Wild Hogs is more tired, worn out, and sagging than its protagonists..."

"If you listen closely, you can hear your brain cells fizzling...."

"Even Chevy Chase wouldn't be caught dead doing this stuff...."
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Looks like The Wild Hogs rode to B.O. Victory (pun intended). Wonder how it will hold up against 300, which comes out this week.

 
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I have no doubt "300" will rule.
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300 will rule. Zodiac is getting awesome reviews, with the cast being called great ( With most of the praise in the reviews I've read going to Robert Downey Jr. and Brian Cox......all hail the Cox-master........that sounds so dirty)
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You guys are being way too serious over this film. Critics probably don't like thiss movie because they are tired of seeing the same thing over and over again. Americans don't watch dumb movies. They just wanna have fun which is why they watch "crappy" films. The critics obviously have a different opinion than normal people...
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

You guys are being way too serious over this film.


Not really. It either sucks, (bad script, lame acting), or it doesn't suck, (good script, good acting). Wild Hogs falls into the former category.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Critics probably don't like thiss movie because they are tired of seeing the same thing over and over again.


Which Wild Hogs is. It is a clone of a hundred other forgettable movies that keeps movie going dumbed down for the masses.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Americans don't watch dumb movies.


I am not saying all American's are dumb, that is a fallacy. What I am saying is Americans do support dumb/bad/lame movies. The box office numbers prove this theory to be true.

(all from Boxofficemojo)

Wild Hogs / US Gross = $38,000,000
Norbit / US Gross = $82,953,000
Ghost Rider / US Gross = $94,757,000
Stomp the Yard / US Gross = $60,623,618

...as opposed to...

Zodiac / US Gross = $13,100,000
The Last King of Scotland / US Gross = $15,310,000
Letters From Iwo Jima / US Gross = $13,316,000
Children of Men / US Gross = $35,003,053

"Letters from Iwo Jima" makes 13 million total...and is destroyed at the box office by both "Stomp the Yard" and "Wild Hogs". I rest my case.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

They just wanna have fun which is why they watch those "crappy" films.


One can have fun watching a "smart" movie too!

Originally posted by moviewizguy

The critics obviously have a different opinion than normal people.


Sure many have an agenda. But "Wild Hogs" is a stupid movie... with a seen-it-a-hundred-times-before mid-life crisis script slathered with poo-poo, gay and fart jokes just for good measure...
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Well, I never get tired of it and you blame on films you haven't even watch like the inspirational Stomp the Yard. People hate it because it's a black movie. That's what IMDb ratings are leaning toward. Look at Daddy's Little Girls which also has a low rating and so as Norbit. Hmmm...oh, they are all black films! If you haven't noticed the trend, then I just pointed them out from you.

If have heard so many people talk so much crap about Stomp the Yard because it's another black film or dance film. At least is has a moral and is like Freedom Writers, which has a high rating. I wonder why. Both are unique films with a moral and both are inspirational. I don't see why color makes the difference. Future black films would soon get low rating.

Even my friend who saw Zodiac (which in your opinion was "great") hated it. She said it was too long and people in the theaters are irritated and just wanted to know the ending, which she spelled out, and I got mad at her. She said don't waste my money to see it.

See, people (or at least I) would rather watch films that are fun and easy to follow, unlike films that you have to think about (which I don't have a problem with). I would rather watch Harry Potter 20 times than Memento 3 times. Why? Memento gets so worn out after the second viewing, along with other overrated films. Films like Harry Potter, War of the Worlds, Meet the Parents, and so on are films I would rather watch more than once. See, all films critics like (and all Oscar nominated films) are so boring, an average movie goer would rather see something "stupid". I would even have to admit it. Million Dollar Baby was very good, but thinking about watching it a second time kinda makes me think I'm wasting my life. Although Oscar films may made my top 50 list, other films are much more entertaining but still, don't reach my top 50 list.

Response from Head RAZZberry: If your point is that average movie-goers prefer not to think while watching a movie, then you've basically validated Vidiot's point. As for bagging on MEMENTO, it's one of my Berry Favorite Movies of the last few years -- Precisely because it demands that you think and pay attention while watching it...

Also, assuming that critics dislike something because it's "a black movie" is a bit much. Why can't people criticize movies of any kind, if they don't like them? Suggesting that having Black characters somehow makes a movie immune from criticism is pandering and insulting. Any film-maker willing to put his or her vision on screen ought also to be willing to allow it to be fairly criticized. And even if STOMP THE YARD was a big box office hit, it was clearly also a re-hash of about 27 previous movies. Popular success, as your own posting inadvertently makes clear, has nothing to do with artistic merit.
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We didn't say anything bad about Harry Potter, War of the Worlds or Meet the Parents. There is a huge difference between movies that are fun and easy to follow and bad movies. It's just that bad movies usually happen to be light, easy to follow entertainment. I love fun and light movies, but thay can have the tendency to go bad, even though they usually don't.

I don't know about Daddy's Little Girls, but Norbit and Stomp the Yard don't have low ratings because because they are black movies, but because they are bad. If Norbit had an all white cast it would still be not funny, and Stomp the Yard may have good morals but it is badly made. Drumline (2004) is similar to Stomp the Yard with an all black cast but it is well made and enjoyable. Barbershop (2002) is an example of a good african american comedy.

Moviewizguy, you keep coming onto this site and writing random posts criticizing either us, the critics, or the IMDb users for saying a movie is bad, or coming up with some absurd reasons to explain their bad reviews. You seem to be someone who's mission is to prove that "there is no bad in cinema," and you are struggling to do so. Please write some intelligent comments about what you see as "bad" in a movie (any movie) and tell us what movies you think have actually deserved Razzies.

Remember, on this Forum we speculate that a movie will be bad, but we don't officially label a movie as "bad". That is up to your personal opinion. A movie is not officially label as "bad" by us until the nominations are announced, and the nominations are determined by the voting membership voicing their personal opinions. If enough people have the same low opinion, the movie gets nominated, and is then labeled as "bad."
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

...and you blame on films you haven't even watch like the inspirational Stomp the Yard. People hate it because it's a black movie.


"Stomp the Yard" had bad reviews because it sucked, not because it had "black" actors in it.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Look at Daddy's Little Girls...


"Daddy's Little Girls" had bad reviews because it sucked, not because it had "black" actors in it.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

...which also has a low rating and so as Norbit.


"Norbit" had bad reviews because it really sucked, not because it had "black" actors in it.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

If you haven't noticed the trend, then I just pointed them out from you.


Actually what you are doing is using crappy movies as evidence that there is a "trend" to diss movies with black actors in it. Which is false. Those movies had bad reviews because they were actually bad.

If one looks at the Academy Awards this year Best Actor was won by a black man, and Best Supporting Actress was won by a black woman. Both were in great movies which featured black story-lines.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Even my friend who saw Zodiac (in your opinion which was "great") hated it.

That is why "Wild Hogs" made $39.7 million in three days. Because Americans like dumb movies. One doesn't have to think when one watches it. All one has to do is stuff one's face with more food and wait for something to collide with so-and-so's balls... and then laugh like you've never seen it before.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

She said it was too long and people in the theaters are irritated and just wanted to know the ending

That's because nothing collided with anyone's testicles in Zodiac, nor was their any krunking, or anything resembling a lame soap opera subplot.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

See, people, or I, would rather watch films that are fun and easy to follow unlike films that you have to think about (which I don't have a problem with).

A movie can have a good script and be fun to watch at the same time. Take Indiana Jones, Little Miss Sunshine, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Strictly Ballroom, Bridget Jones's Diary, to name a few.
Originally posted by moviewizguy

See, all films critics and Oscar nominated films are so boring an average movie goer would rather see something "stupid".


I disagree. A lot of Oscar-nominated movies are fun to watch. Some over and over again. While others are boring after one sitting.

The bottom line for me is you deserve better than just "Wild Hogs" moviewizguy. You really do. We all deserve better movies than "Wild Hogs."

p.s. (...and the part that really eats me up inside is that Travolta, Lawrence and Allen each made more money starring in this steaming pile of dog-crap than 90% of Americans will ever earn in their entire lifetimes...)
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Well, I'm not going to see Wild Hogs. I'm going to watch 300 this week, which are movies we "deserve"? Anyway, I doubt people have seen Daddy's Little Girls because if you have seen the trailer, it has some potential and actually looks great. It doesn't have Madea (which is probably the main reason people didn't like TP's first two films). I didn't pick bad black films. I just picked films that had an all black cast that were recent. I swear those three films are the most recent black films which all of them turned out bad? Drumline has a rating of 5-6 on IMDb and in you saw who voted what, the second most votes were for 1, mainly I think because of the main star who was in it...

Response from Head RAZZberry: Your point, garbled though it is, still has almost no validity. To assume that because a film has mostly African American actors in it, and gets generally bad reviews, that the one is directly related to the other is a leap of logic even even Rush Limbaugh would hesitate to make. If your thesis were true, how do you explain the excellent reviews, Oscar nominations and $100 million gross for DREAMGIRLS??  
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Just saw Zodiac. Good movie. Best of 2007 so far. I can see it getting nominated for the screen actors guild award for Best Ensemble, as there wasn't a single weak link in the cast.
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Well, it's hard to explain. It's not like Dreamgirls and Hotel Rwanda are supposed to have bad ratings. It's just that maybe the unpopular black films get low ratings. The next black film, I Think I Love My Wife, might get a low rating, but I'm not so sure.

Response from Head RAZZberry: You have once again contradicted yourself -- One of the examples you cited for your thesis was STOMP THE YARD, which you yourself admitted was not an "unpopular black film." It is considered a box office success (and according to Box Office MoJo  currently ranks among the Top 5 for all of 2007). How does that gibe with your argument??

I am beginning to think you have a specious "theory," with weak (and seemingly ever-changing) evidence to back it up... 

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moviewizguy mentioned I Think I Love My Wife, which has already gotten a bad review at Yahoo Movies -- Here's a LINK to read the review...
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

...which are movies we "deserve"?


Allow me to illustrate a point. As painful as it may seem it is the truth... and the reason why movies like "Wild Hogs" out-earn movies like "Letters From Iwo Jima" by tens of millions of dollars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

(courtesy of YouTube)
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I'll see Wild Hogs, since most of the reviews I've read (both good and bad) have said that Ray Liotta, Marisa Tomei, and (to a lesser extent) William H. Macy are pretty good in it. Although after watching Goodfellas today, it made me nostalgic for the days when Ray Liotta  gave good performances in good movies, instead of standing out in crappy ones...
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Originally posted by Sanndman228715

I'll see Wild Hogs, since most of the reviews I've read (both good and bad) have said that Ray Liotta, Marisa Tomei, and (to a lesser extent) William H. Macy are pretty good in it.


...and 99.999% of the reviews also mention that Lawrence, Travolta and Allen are really really dreadful in it.

If you like to watch William H. Macy see "Thank you for Smoking" or "Magnolia." If you like to watch Ray Liotta see "Cop Land" or "The Rat Pack." If you like watch Marissa Tomei see "My Cousin Vinnie."

But for the love of god don't support bad movies with your hard-earned money, don't support bad acting with with your hard-earned money, and don't support studios who green-light this kind crap with your hard-earned money....support them with well-deserved insults, and Golden Raspberries!!!!


p.s. "Hogs" has drawn $57,285,000 domestic as of March 11, 2007. $57 million! Arrrggghhhhh!  And the top domestic grossing movie for 2007 is? Anyone????... "Ghost Rider!" at $99,257,000, closely followed by "Stomp the Yard" and "Norbit".....un-frikkin-believable.

Martin Scorsese who? Steven Frears who? Clint Eastwood? Fagetaboutit! Kinda puts alot of things into perspective. For instance, why an ex-member of LIPSYNC...er...sorry, NSYNC is #1 in American music.
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