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    Posted: October 21 2007 at 5:57am

ENOUGH ALREADY!!! WE HOPE WE'RE NOT the ONLY ONES WHO'RE SICK-and-TIRED of SEEING HOLLYWOOD CRANK OUT TEEN-PORN-TORTURE FLICK AFTER TEEN-PORN-TORTURE-FLICK.

WHILE SAW IV MAY BE a TAD MORE CLEVER THAN MANY of ITS CLONES, WE STILL SAY: MOVIE-GOERS, PLEASE STOP GOING to THIS KIND of GARBAGE...WHILE YOU'VE STILL GOT a HEAD!

FEEL FREE to JOIN OUR RANT -- OR RANT RIGHT BACK AT US IF YOU DISAGREE -- BELOW...

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Live On-Stage...It's Cirque-du-So-Bloody's SAW IV!!"

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nasty Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 6:32am

Even as a Razzie member, I cannot justify spending my money to see disgusting garbage like "Saw 4." Sight unseen, though, I may be voting for it as a contender for our new category, Worst Horror Movie!

Response from Head RAZZberry: As the "grand-daddy" of the current Teen-Torture-Porn trend, SAW arguably gave birth to our new category, which at this point may wind up being called Worst Excuse for a Horror Movie... 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote #1-Film Freak!! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 6:40am

I am not usually one to argue that certain films have "no right to even be made" -- I often find myself defending artistic freedom over censorship. But trash ike the Saw and Hostel films, which have next to no redeeming value and desensitize their audiences to human suffering and gore, make a pretty good argument that censorship of SOME things may be in order... 

Response from Head RAZZberry: While I agree with your sentiment in damning crap like SAW IV, I must disagree with any argument that agrees to censorship of the arts. In a democracy like ours, the kind of sick, sad souls who "enjoy" this garbage have a right to subject themselves to this sort of mind-numblingly inhuman "entertainment." But by the same token you, I, everyone who belongs to the RAZZIE Foundation (and anyone who agrees with us) also have the right to RAZZ the Holy sh*t out of it!!! 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 7:43am

I like the Saw movies (excluding the 2nd). What makes Saw different from other torture porn movies is that it's intelligent, and it makes you think. It's not all about the kills, no. It has a storyline, and if it has fresh sotires, I will watch the movies. That's why I liked the 1st and 3rd. The 2nd pretty much repeats the first, but people watch this because they want to know what happens.

There are 2 more sequels to go until this franchise ends.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Criss808 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 11:56am

How many god damn SAW movies are they gonna make? Why does every horror movie have to have 5,000 sequels, remakes, re-imaginings, or prequels. What's the point? We already know what's going to happen. A bunch of people get killed, there's one survivor who comes back for the sequel, the killer is either blown up, stabbed, hung, electricuted, cut up, or their head is cut off but they always come back to life for extremely complicated reasons. Didn't the Scream movies put these type of movies to rest?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 2:37pm
Umm...if you have actually seen the movies, no, people don't just get killed. As I say, these movies have a plot and have sequels for a reason: To continue the story and to finish it when Saw 6 comes out in two more years. That's when all questions are (hopefully) answered.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote deadguy76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2007 at 4:36pm
Amanda is dead, Jigsaw is dead. This is the equivalent to Halloween 3 (the one that didn't have Michael Myers) for horror fans. I'll admit that the traps are interesting, but they're just an excuse to get more and more bloody.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MJ Narcy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 2:17am

These movies are so cheap to make, they can turn a profit even if they don't stay in theatres more than two weeks.  Of course, that could explain a lot of other movies, too!   

Originally posted by Criss808

How many god damn SAW movies are they gonna make? Why does every horror movie have to have 5,000 sequels, remakes, re-imaginings, or prequels. What's the point? We already know what's going to happen. A bunch of people get killed, there's one survivor who comes back for the sequel, the killer is either blown up, stabbed, hung, electricuted, cut up, or their head is cut off but they always come back to life for extremely complicated reasons. Didn't the Scream movies put these type of movies to rest?



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Post Options Post Options   Quote MJ Narcy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 2:33am

I partially agree with #1 Film Freak:  Personally, I believe the NC-17 rating should be expanded to include movie like this, so stupid parents won't be able to take their 5-year-old children to see this .

For a further discussion of rating systems, go to What Good Are Ratings, Anyway? 

Response from Head RAZZberry: One of the more terrifying comments I ever read regarding parents taking their offspring to inappropriate movies was a mother in USA Today defending her decision to haul her 8-year-old daughter to an opening night showing of the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS sequel HANNIBAL (in which a man's skull was sawed open, and his brains were then sauted -- while he was still alive!).  

When I managed a movie theatre while attending UCLA's film school years ago, I was alwaze more adamant about enforcing an "R" rating if it was about graphic violence than if it was about sex or language -- And many times, parents would actually argue with me that sex scenes were "more damaging" for their children to see than graphic gore(!). Some Americans sure have a skewed sense of "values"...

Originally posted by #1-Film Freak!!

I am not usually one to argue that certain films have "no right to even be made" -- I often find myself defending artistic freedom over censorship. But trash ike the Saw and Hostel films, which have next to no redeeming value and desensitize their audiences to human suffering and gore, make a pretty good argument that censorship of SOME things may be in order...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 11:41am

I saw two kids at Halloween, with only like 15 people in the theater. It was funny, because my mom didn't want to watch this movie (she said it's rated R, and she's right).

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote deadguy76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 3:16pm

There was a documentary about this subject, "This Film is Not Yet Rated".

I still don't understand why people freak out about nudity more than graphic violence. Conservative america has really repressed our sexuality and it really hasn't done any good. There are more unwed teenage mothers in the U.S. than anywhere on the planet! Maybe Gertie can give us the Euro perspective, but from what I've notice about Europeans, they don't seem to over-react to sex and nudity like us Yanks. 

Originally posted by MJ Narcy

Response from Head RAZZberry: One of the more terrifying comments I ever read regarding parents taking their offspring to inappropriate movies was a mother in USA Today defending her decision to haul her 8-year-old daughter to an opening night showing of the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS sequel HANNIBAL (in which a man's skull was sawed open, and his brains were then sauted -- while he was still alive!).  

When I managed a movie theatre while attending UCLA's film school years ago, I was alwaze more adamant about enforcing an "R" rating if it was about graphic violence than if it was about sex or language -- And many times, parents would actually argue with me that sex scenes were "more damaging" for their children to see than graphic gore(!). Some Americans sure have a skewed sense of "values"...

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Ohhhh..... no percentage rating on RT. Looks like Saw IV, with its predecessor Saw III, is a stinker



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Originally posted by thomsonmg2000

Ohhhh..... no percentage rating on RT. Looks like Saw IV, with its predecessor Saw III, is a stinker



A thing about Saw's past with critics appears here.  They enjoyed having critics reviewing the first Saw.  They only quietly allowed reviews for Saw II, and then they shut the door for Saw III.

And Saw IV, Saw V, and Saw VI.  Four of six kept away from critics due to pure crappiness.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2007 at 12:42pm
I found Saw II very horrible and Saw III a lot better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SchumacherH8ter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 2:01am

I made the Honor Roll, so my parents are taking me to see this. I'm going to see it in the next week or so.

Response from Head RAZZberry: Congratulations on the Honor Roll -- But are you sure you want to subject your parents to SAW IV?? Its graphic gore and violence might give them reason to question your judgment from here on out...

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 3:06am

I haven't seen the movie, but reading about on the web, the critics (and probably most of the audience) are missing one key aspect of Saw IV

SPOILER of the SPOILED!!!

The beginning is real time.  The rest of the movie, however, is a flashback running concurrently with the story of the previous movie Saw III.  It's not that Jigsaw pre-planned and pre-taped all these post-mortem deaths.  All these deaths are going on while he is supervising over the other deaths.  That's why at the end of Saw IV Jeff from Saw III is still alive, screaming about his daughter.  That's why at the end of Saw IV Detective Matthews from Saw III is also still alive, and is in a trap of his own.  That's why the beginning plays again at the end.

So, if there are any movie critics who have yet to write their own reviews, your challenge is to write about this movie without spoiling what is probably its only good point--that it makes you think this is all happening AFTER the previous movie, only to find out it's happening DURING the previous movie.

Just a comment, though.  I don't know how good this good point is if most people miss it.  To me, that's not very good.

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