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    Posted: October 27 2007 at 4:07am

I read some where that there may be a Saw V? And they're maybe gonna do SIX of them... 

 

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The reason my parents are letting me see it is that I've proven myself mature enough to see movies like this. The only times I've been immature at a movie were at "Borat" (in my defense, everyone else was acting the same way!) and "The Forgotten" (there were teenage girls shouting at every moment. And, they were doing it on purpose! I, honest to God, heard one of them say "I love to scream"! They were so annoying, that the entire audience got free tickets for our troubles.)

 

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Yeah, that's what some have been saying...

Originally posted by tomsmobr

I read some where that may be a Saw V? I guess they're gonna do Six of them... 

 

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The first SAW made $55.1 Million at the U.S. Box Office in 2004, SAW II made $87 Million in 2005, and SAW III made $80.1 Million last year. After Friday's Box Office results, SAW IV topped the Box Office charts with $14.3 Million, with DAN IN REAL LIFE finishing second with $4.1 Million.
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I'm VERY, VERY surprised that this film opened with $14.3 million. I mean, I'm VERY surprised. I thought that the audience would've been lost because they don't care or that there were surprisingly less tv spots than Dan in Real Life. Wow. I'm just in shock. Well, I had a marching contest today, so I could'nt go. Tomorrow will be a church thing...so I might see it next week.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:39am
Ok, I ended up seeing it today with low expectations (just because I'm kinda tired of the torture) but I was fairly surprised. For one moment in the movie, I thought it would've been the best in the series, but it ended up being 2nd or 3rd place. I think #3 and #4 are as good as each other. The movie was still fresh with ideas
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Movie Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2007 at 2:33pm
I liked the movie, as I saw it opening day. I reviewed the movie for a website and gave it 3.5 out of 5 stars (or, as my rating system, 2.5 out of 4).
http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2007/saw2007. html

Ccostas Mandylor and Tobin Bell are signed up for both Saw films, and I heard Alexa Vega (Spy Kids, the upcoming Repo: the Generic Opera) is begging to appear as a victim in one of those.

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It'll be interesting to see what the cop character Detective Hoffman does with the legacy of Jigsaw's tests of survival. Will he follow Jigsaw's path (i.e. games with a 50% chance of escape) or will he follow Amanda's (i.e. games with no chance of an escape)

And to whoever saw this film. For the guy who survived the first trap when his mouth was sown shut. How did his mouth heal that fast? (Would've made sense, because the other guy with his eyes sown shut might have died if it was the reverse.)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2007 at 8:24am

Be prepared. This review is very long (probably the longest ever):

Saw IV (8/10):

Jigsaw and his apprentice Amanda are dead. Now, upon the news of Detective Kerry's murder, two seasoned FBI profilers, Agent Strahm and Agent Perez, arrive in the terrified community to assist the veteran Detective Hoffman in sifting through Jigsaw's latest grizzly remains and piecing together the puzzle. However, when SWAT Commander Rigg is abducted and thrust into a game, the last officer untouched by Jigsaw has but ninety minutes to overcome a series of demented traps and save an old friend or face the deadly consequences.

So it's another October month. There's another "Saw". And there are more traps. And there are more victims. And there are new characters. And there is a similar plot. This all sounds so too...familiar. If this is going through your head when watching the TV spots or trailers for this movie, and you're not okay with it, you should skip this. On the other hand, if you just want to know, if you have to know the truth, watch it.

There are two types of people for this kind of film. People who won't watch it because it's basically a repeat of the previous films and people who just want to know the truth. I'm in the group who just wants to know the truth. I don't care if this is a torture porn movie. I don't care if it basically repeats itself with a "been there, done that" scenario. I just want to know.

"Saw 3" could've been a great ending for a trilogy. But you know the studio will make more just to cash in. Of course, that's the reason. But "Saw 3" could've also left us (fans) in a cliffhanger. When we last saw "Saw 3", we don't know what happened to Jeff, our protagonist. I'll just leave you there because it'll ruin the movie if I tell you.

On the other hand, this movie starts with Jigsaw dead (yes, he's dead and no, he's not going to be alive) in the hospital where the doctors are performing an autopsy. They find a tape in his stomach that says his work will continue even though he's dead and that's how it all begins...like the previous films.

Should a fan of this franchise be willing to watch six movies to learn the truth about the who's, why's, when's, how's, and what's in the film? If it stays like how "Saw IV" played it, I'll definitely be watching more "Saw" films in the future. What makes "Saw IV" so good, in my opinion, is that you are put on the spot. You see what Jigsaw sees. You feel what he feels. You judge what he judges. This film is more or less like a origin film for Jigsaw, if you want to call it that.

What I found really good/bad in here is that the film's pacing is fast. The good in that they think the audience is smarter and the bad thing about that is that it gets us confused while it continues on with the story. There's even a point in the film where I considered this to be the best film in the franchise so far. But there are some weaknesses in the film that prevented this to happen. It's very apparent that this isn't a simple story where you can find a simple solution to resolve it.

What you want to know is the twist, right? Well, I suppose it's depressing and encouraging. The twist(s) have already been used in the previous films but at least they didn't try too hard to top off the ending for the original. And I like that there are enough twists to satisfy the freshness of this film.

Everything else pretty much is the same. The flashy cinematography is still here. The famous music is still here. The very depressing characters are still here. Let's just hope the movie will end in a happy ending(?)

If there's a fourth movie to a franchise, you'll think it has gone down the drain by now. Yeah, some will think that. For me, I think it's getting better and better. My expectations were so low for this film because I thought it would be the same thing over and over again. I was right but there were some few surprising things in here that I really liked. "Saw" fans will love this. As for people who don't care about these films, just walk past it.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote #1-Movie-Fan! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2007 at 4:41am

Since I keep reading that movie theatre owners make most of their money from concession sales (rather than ticket sales) I am curious to know: If Hollywood keeps making movies so graphically violent that patrons are likely to barf in their popcorn, doesn't that eventually effect theatre owners' bottom line, and will theatre owners at some point have the balls to stand up to the studios and refuse to book movies like this?? 

 

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Originally posted by moviewizguy

On the other hand, this movie starts with Jigsaw dead (yes, he's dead and no, he's not going to be alive) in the hospital where the doctors are performing an autopsy. They find a tape in his stomach that says his work will continue even though he's dead and that's how it all begins...like the previous films.

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Ahem.  It sounds like we have a disagreement. 

If the rest of the movie follows this scene, instead of precedes this scene, then why does Detective Strahm find Jeff with the bodies of Amanda, Lynn and Jigsaw at the end of the movie?  How could he find Jigsaw's body in that room if his body has already been autopsied?

Saw III and Saw IV are concurrent, not consecutive.  Most of Saw IV is a flashback from the autopsy.  Since these movies are concurrent, then Jigsaw is alive until sometime before Strahm enters that room.  That's the biggest mindblower in this movie.

 

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The acting is also atrocious in the Saw movies. Or, at least, that's what I heard. In the first movie, the formerly charming Cary Elwes was stated in one review to make room for a Razzie trophy for his awful performance. Saw II didn't mention any actors who did awful, but did say they were just as bad. In Saw III, Angus MacFayden was called "a perennial ham with the worse male scream in the business and a sucker for performances without boundaries. Watching him emote in Hulk-like fashion is more painful than anything the Jigsaw could dream up." Of course, I've heard Scott Patterson of Gilmore Girls fame offered the only decent performance.
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I know that...I know that whole thing you said cvcjr13
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sanndman228715 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2007 at 8:59am
I've said it before, but in The Saw movies Tobin Bell always gives a good performance (Is he even in Saw 4?). Donnie Wahlberg was also ok in parts two and three. The other actors aren't good, though. Cary Elwes gave the worst performance of his career in the first Saw. Danny Glover also seemed to be coasting in that one. As for Saw 3, the girl that played Amanda is much better as a victim than a villain. I still haven't seen Part 4.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2007 at 2:17pm
Why does everyone hate Cary Elwes in the first one? For thier first practice/rehearsal as a scene in the movie, I thought it was pretty good.
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I usually like Cary Elwes. He was good in The Princess Bride, Robin Hood: Men in tights (He was more convincing as Robin Hood than Kevin Costner was, even though the movie was a comedy), and I heard he was quite good in Kiss the Girls. But something just seemed off about him in Saw. I can't pinpoint what exactly it was, but he didn't do much for me in that one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SchumacherH8ter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2007 at 9:07am
I finally got around to seeing this. It was actually good. My dad likes it as well. There was some nice kill scenes. We both felt it was an improvement over "Saw III". I liked that one, he didn't. Overall, this wasn't as good as "Hostel Part II".
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