LAST CHANCE 2-B UN-ORIGINAL...

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn Wow, you are one sick f*** if you're praising a movie for having graphic violence and rape. There's a reason why most movies shy away from such things, it's called ... what is it? Oh yeah, having good taste ... rather than being morbid just to shock people.

Ok, you can judge me anyway you want. I won't stop you. If you actually read my reasoning, you would find out I praised the film for it's realistic depiction on such things where most films make it seem cartoonish. Like another user said on here, the violence and rape scenes in A Clockwork Orange, although distasteful and highly disturbing, have a reason to be there. There's a reason behind the violence and rape scene on screen. And you seem to have forgotten my review of Halloween II. Let me refresh your memory: I HATED the movie for it's violence because the violence was there just for the sake of it. In here, it's different. The violence and rape scene wasn't here because it's there. There's a reason behind it and the more realistic the film depicts them, the better the moral and themes are presented.

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn Oh, so it will lead to even more graphic violence. Yeah kid, you're not going to win any one over with your reasoning. But then again, no one agrees with anything you say anyway.

So you're saying A Clockwork Orange is a bad film for doing the exact same thing you're complaining about? Like I said earlier, you can judge me all you want. I really don't care. It's just that your argument is flawed.

Originally posted by saturnwatcher So the viewers of the film are generally so intellectually challenged that they are unable to perceive what is going on by reasonable suggestion. It is necessary to actually portray a graphic rape scene? Sorry, that is B.S. and it is also entirely gratuitous. NOTHING positive is accomplished by a presentation of that nature. NOTHING

I think we need to stop and agree to disagree. Yes, I don't mind if there are "implications" made in scenes like these. Like I said before, I hated Halloween II because of it's violence just for the sake of it. But let me bring up A Clockwork Orange again. Why do you feel the need to not attack that film as well?

Originally posted by saturnwatcher So the viewers of the film are generally so intellectually challenged that they are unable to perceive what is going on by reasonable suggestion. It is necessary to actually portray a graphic rape scene? Sorry, that is B.S. and it is also entirely gratuitous. NOTHING positive is accomplished by a presentation of that nature. NOTHING

Yeah, that's what I'm talking. That and the fact this MWG runs to the aid of every bad movie out there and defends it (with misinformation and bias) and is pretty much the running gag of the forum, yet keeps coming back for more. 

MWG, LHOTL was a throw away horror movie. It was not made to comment on social ills or to warn about the consequences of attempting to deal with certain problems or suggest problems to come. It was made to entertain a particular audience. Allow me to make you a bet...20 years from now, A Clockwork Orange will still be considered a classic, outstanding piece of filmmaking, while LHOTL will be a footnote in books about crappy movies.

Originally posted by saturnwatcher MWG, LHOTL was a throw away horror movie. It was not made to comment on social ills or to warn about the consequences of attempting to deal with certain problems or suggest problems to come. It was made to entertain a particular audience. Allow me to make you a bet...20 years from now, A Clockwork Orange will still be considered a classic, outstanding piece of filmmaking, while LHOTL will be a footnote in books about crappy movies.

I'm sure this remake was trying to make the same point The Virgin Spring was trying to make. I saw the film and it presented moral ambiguity and a huge theme on justice. It was really interesting. And I'm sure it's not a "throw away" horror film if Wes Craven himself thought of it to be a good contemporary update as well as landing on Stephen King's top 10 on 2009.

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn What point? It's shock value! It's "oh my god, they're raping that girl!", "oh my god, they're bleeding that guy dry! "oh my god, that's girl's boobs are out for no good reason!". These are not social commentries, these are just mindless abuse of of rated R tricks. "Clockwork Orange" was about violence in society. This movie is just more torture porn to please blood crazy nutcases.

Have you not seen this film or the films this film was based on? There was no scene anywhere NEAR the Saw films. Here's what the original film set out to (The Virgin Spring): "The film contains a number of themes that question morals, justice, and religious beliefs, and was considered controversial when first released due to its infamous rape scene."

Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn What point? It's shock value! It's "oh my god, they're raping that girl!", "oh my god, they're bleeding that guy dry! "oh my god, that's girl's boobs are out for no good reason!".

Ummm...I'm willing to give that last one a pass