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    Posted: March 11 2010 at 6:28pm
Point taken...Raimi doesn't take his work all that seriously, and it's obvious.
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Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Point taken...Raimi doesn't take his work all that seriously, and it's obvious.

The Spider-Man movies, need I say more?
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Ah c'mon now...how can anyone fail to be thrilled when Toby Maguire spits out, "I'm Thpiderman!"LOL
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Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Ah c'mon now...how can anyone fail to be thrilled when Toby Maguire spits out, "I'm Thpiderman!"LOL
I was thinking more along the lines of the "evil" Venom suit making Peter Parker do such evil things ... like comb his hair into emo style, and doing bad white boy dancing! Apparently Raimi was confused if he was filmming "Spider-Man 3", "Dancing With The Stars", or "One Tree Hill".
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Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

From his past posts, saturnwatcher seems very against graphic violence in movies. I think that's why he's cheering on my opinion aginst torture porn movies.

But DMTH isn't even a torture porn movie. It was critically successful, getting a 92% on RT.
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Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Yes, I've certainly been put in my place. When a hack director like Sam Raimi informs the world that an absolute piece of trash like Drag Me to Hell is a parable, who am I to think he is full of baloney?

The fact that this "piece of trash" has a 92% on RT, a site that even you, yourself, use to judge how bad movies are, just shows how unbelievably biased you are towards horror films. Along with the fact that you call Raimi a hack is beyond ridiculous because you can't name one bad movie from him that wasn't critically well received. Yes, even Spider-Man 3 got a Fresh rating on RT so don't give me that. Spider-Man 2 is said to be one of the best superhero movies ever made, and the Evil Dead trilogy is hailed as one of the best horror trilogies ever created.
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The fact that this "piece of trash" has a 92% on RT, a site that even you, yourself, use to judge how bad movies are, just shows how unbelievably biased you are towards horror films. Along with the fact that you call Raimi a hack is beyond ridiculous because you can't name one bad movie from him that wasn't critically well received. Yes, even Spider-Man 3 got a Fresh rating on RT so don't give me that. Spider-Man 2 is said to be one of the best superhero movies ever made, and the Evil Dead trilogy is hailed as one of the best horror trilogies ever created.
I'm sure "DMTH" being trash is only saturn's opinon, and I'm sure he has his reasons for calling Raimi a hack. However, fans hate "Spider-Man 3". It's a joke of a movie and is the reason why the studios are going to reboot it. Dancing, emo Peter Parker, this is what a great superhero movie is made of?! And "Spider-Man 2" was good at best, but it doesn't hold a candle to "Dark Knight" or "IronMan", and "IronMan 2" is just going to blow it further away.
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Originally posted by BurnHollywoodBurn

I'm sure "DMTH" being trash is only saturn's opinon, and I'm sure he has his reasons for calling Raimi a hack. However, fans hate "Spider-Man 3". It's a joke of a movie and is the reason why the studios are going to reboot it. Dancing, emo Peter Parker, this is what a great superhero movie is made of?! And "Spider-Man 2" was good at best, but it doesn't hold a candle to "Dark Knight" or "IronMan", and "IronMan 2" is just going to blow it further away.

Well, I actually loved Spider-Man 2. I think it's one of the best superhero movies ever made, up there with TDK.
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

Well, I actually loved Spider-Man 2. I think it's one of the best superhero movies ever made, up there with TDK.

I'm not going to run Spidey 2 into the ground. It's better than most superhero movies, but it's not without its flaws. It's high on the list, but again, it can't top the likes of TDK, IronMan or X-Men 2.
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The thing is, MWG, sometimes you have to read between the lines a bit. For example, consider the follwing sentence:
 
"I'd much rather get the flu than cancer."
 
 That statement does not, in any way, shape or form suggest that I believe that getting the flu is a good thing.
 
DMTH did get high marks with critics, but a close reading of a lot of the reviews clearly were positive in the sense that the critics were mostly saying, and I paraphrase, "compared to most of the other crap that has been released in the genre lately, this was a notch above." The movie pulled in a whopping $42 million at the box-office, putting it on par with some of Uwe Boll's more successful efforts.
 
As for the Spiderman license, the first two weren't terrible, but isn't really praise... so I hope MWG can resist the temptation to quote me as saying I "loved" them. Allow me to go on record and state clearly, right now, that I did not. The third one as a cinematic terd.
 
Incidentally, Raimi's 2001 film The Gift did not receive a fresh rating at RT, so yes, I can in fact "name one bad film film from him that did not receive a fresh rating." While my term of him as a hack may well be a personal opinion, I really don't have much respect for his work.
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The thing is, MWG, sometimes you have to read between the lines a bit. For example, consider the follwing sentence:
 
"I'd much rather get the flu than cancer."
 
 That statement does not, in any way, shape or form suggest that I believe that getting the flu is a good thing.
 
DMTH did get high marks with critics, but a close reading of a lot of the reviews clearly were positive in the sense that the critics were mostly saying, and I paraphrase, "compared to most of the other crap that has been released in the genre lately, this was a notch above." The movie pulled in a whopping $42 million at the box-office, putting it on par with some of Uwe Boll's more successful efforts.
 
As for the Spiderman license, the first two weren't terrible, but that isn't really praise... so I hope MWG can resist the temptation to quote me as saying I "loved" them. Allow me to go on record and state clearly, right now, that I did not. The third one as a cinematic terd.
 
Incidentally, Raimi's 2001 film The Gift did not receive a fresh rating at RT, so yes, I can in fact "name one bad film film from him that did not receive a fresh rating." While my term of him as a hack may well be a personal opinion, I really don't have much respect for his work. Considering that a significant amout of Raimi's work has been in the horror genre, there is a very significant difference between praising someone for high standards as established by the genre historically, and praising someone for high standards established by the genre lately.
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Originally posted by saturnwatcher

The thing is, MWG, sometimes you have to read between the lines a bit. For example, consider the follwing sentence:
 
"I'd much rather get the flu than cancer."
 
 That statement does not, in any way, shape or form suggest that I believe that getting the flu is a good thing.
 
DMTH did get high marks with critics, but a close reading of a lot of the reviews clearly were positive in the sense that the critics were mostly saying, and I paraphrase, "compared to most of the other crap that has been released in the genre lately, this was a notch above." The movie pulled in a whopping $42 million at the box-office, putting it on par with some of Uwe Boll's more successful efforts.
 
As for the Spiderman license, the first two weren't terrible, but isn't really praise... so I hope MWG can resist the temptation to quote me as saying I "loved" them. Allow me to go on record and state clearly, right now, that I did not. The third one as a cinematic terd.
 
Incidentally, Raimi's 2001 film The Gift did not receive a fresh rating at RT, so yes, I can in fact "name one bad film film from him that did not receive a fresh rating." While my term of him as a hack may well be a personal opinion, I really don't have much respect for his work.

Fair enough. Smile
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I just saw this,and I was dissapointed to read in the credits that it was a remake because the best part was the originality of the script.But I checked the differences and it has a lot of good new things.
 
It was wrongly marketed.The premise everywhere said "Two parents get back at the people that hurt their daughter".That doesn't happen until the last 1/3 of the movie.It's because that must've been the premise of the original.I read Wes Craven was mad because the studio told him to cut a lot of the original one,so they must've put it in this one and it made this longer.The director should've known that when reading the script.Because of it,and the fact the movie
visually wasn't very scary,I feel he's the weak spot.
 
I give this 6/10.
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