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saturnwatcher
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Topic: Lindsay in "Dramatic" Mode...OH, OH!Posted: May 16 2007 at 2:06am |
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Hearkening back to the time proven principle that 90% of everything is crap, Hollywood truly provides us with an embarrassment of riches. Nonetheless, a deserving effort that might otherwise escape the attention of the majority of the members is quite often brought to the notice of the group by a single poster. It should be pointed out that most of the discussion here is purely in fun. We had a pretty good time for several months poking fun at Rocky Balboa and Snakes on A Plane, two films that ended up not being particularly Razzie worthy. No harm was done to anyone. Rocky Balboa ended up with box-office grosses almost to the penny of what industry experts predicted, and if anything, Snakes On A Plane probably benefited at the box-office from discussions in forums such as this one. Bottom line: lighten up a bit, moviewizguy. If Lindsay Lohan or anyone else in Hollywood ever finds their mail being forwarded to a large cardboard box, I suspect it will come about 100% as the result of their own irresponsible behavior, and 0% because of anything anyone posts on this website. |
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Well stated points on those last several posts, gize. Now, this is getting interesting... Any response, moviewizguy?? |
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 11:37am |
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 2:37pm |
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Oops! Sorry.
I discovered that. After I responded to his posts on this thread, I started noticing a pattern across all the other threads. It almost seems like he's trying to be a devil's advocate. And the devil better start worrying. . . .
Personally, I don't I think I would mind starting a good debate. Now if we can just start one. . . . As you already pointed out, though, any debate you may have started was between you and MWG. You never said anything that drew in the entire forum.
Don't you hate it when, instead of answering your question, someone talks about something else entirely? I'll volunteer my answer for what it's worth. Of the movies I've seen this year, the worst ones were Epic Movie, Funny Money, Blood and Chocolate, Premonition and Code Name: The Cleaner. If I can work them in time and money-wise, I'll try to catch Perfect Stranger and Are We Done Yet?. I know that's not MWG contributing his choices, but at least it's a contribution. Getting back on topic, Georgia Rule may be one movie that I'll just take the critics' word for it and mark it down as a dud without ever seeing it. Now, there's something to debate about. Should we razz a movie we've never seen simply because just the thought of it tells us it's razz-able? |
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 4:19pm |
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If you don't want to take the critics word for Georgia Rule, I guess you can settle for mine. It was truly a piece of crap.
Somehow, the phrase "festering laceration" seems almost appropo.
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Never! I liked Little Man, Date Movie, The Fog, and almost every movie listed here. They weren't half as bad as people said they were. Response from Head RAZZberry: By "people," do you mean everyone but yourself, or are you once again suggesting that the rest of us on this Forum are somehow less critically gifted than yourself? Most of the titles we discuss on this Forum are both critical and financial disasters, suggesting they pleased neither the critics nor movie-goers. * If you've seen as many movies as you claim you have, I am surprised that you dislike as few as you seem to. What have you learned from seeing all these films, if not some standard for judging the films coming out week after week, based on your experience of seeing previous films from the same actors, writers and directors?? If every film is worthy of your praise, then, honestly, your praise means nothing, since you clearly have no standards with which to pass judgment... *GEORGIA RULE, for example, was slammed by about 80% of Rotten Tomatoes' critics and, in its opening weekend, managed a less-than-stellar $6.7 million playing at 2,523 theatres (since it cost at least $40 million to produce and market, RULE will wind up losing money for its studio)...
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Then...why are you here? Just to disagree with what we think is razz-able?
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Yes, if you look a forums from these "bad" movies, there are a few people who actually thought it wasn't half bad. No critics made a big deal out of Little Man. In fact, their average rating was about 5/10, which isn't close from like 1/10 or 2/10!
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If we WANT to see these forums, we'll read them ourselves. Just accept the fact that we hate these movies.
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Huh? Oh, and I would like to show you something: WASC was treated badly, right? Well, almost every critic and people hated it because it's nothing happening for the whole movie until the end. Well, look at Disturbia. Different movie with same concept. Nothing happens until the end. I mean, why?! Disturbia was successful and WASC was not?! I just don't get it! Even the last 20 minutes of WASC was more thrilling and suspenseful than Disturbia (although I liked Disturbia better). I just want to know why. Maybe audiencs like the boy meets girl story than phone ringing. |
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I hate to be the one to break this two you, moviewizguy, but we weren't the only ones that found the three movies you noted above to be, well, let's say pretty substandard. Here are the evaluations for the terrible trio, as scored by Rotten Tomatoes: Date Movie: 9% The Fog: 5% Little Man: 14% If a score of 20% or below from the professional critics is to be considered a reasonable guideline for consideration on this site, every one of them is well within our boundaries. Evidently, we are not the ones with questionable cinematic tastes. That is not to say that I have never disagreed with some of the films that have been discussed or even took home awards from this organization. But in general, I know the difference between sour and fresh milk. One other point of note: The number of films released in 2007 that have their own dedicated forums on the main page is considerably fewer than the average of 2-3 a week you seem to think we ought to be considering. Simple mathematical analysis will bear me out on the point. However, other films have been mentioned in the general discussions. It is notable that winners in categories like Worst Couple, or the supporting actor and actress category may not necessarily coincide with Worst Picture nominees. The most favorable of the three movies you listed above was panned by 86% of the professional film critics tracked by RT. I don't mean to be insulting, but I think you have painted yourself into a pretty tenuous credibility corner. When deciding which movies I will go see or rent, I don't personally place all that much weight on critical reaction. But at the same time, I do respect the fact that they have a degree of expertise well above that of the average movie goer, which is why I place no credibility whatsoever in ratings provided by viewers at sites like IMDB. If you want to evaluate how intelligently the American people, as a whole, judge quality, look at who is leading the country. One very quick postscript: I personally am frequently impressed by how often the movies that are selected here as worst of the upcoming week, prior to much critical input, end up with RT scores below 20% In other words, our Head Razzie does a pretty amazing job leading the forum, with the humble input from time to time of we out here in the field. |
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I was telling you that you don't have to tell us about these people who praise the movies we Razz. We already KNOW they exist. (I myself have taken a few trips to the RT forums) AND I was also telling you to just accept that we hate the movies that you're defending. Say, this is just a question, MWG...are you Earl Dittman? Or any other quote whore out there? |
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This feels like we're playing a video arcade game set at super easy. Where are you getting your statistics? Like saturnwatcher said, Rotten Tomatoes currently shows the critics rate Little Man at 14%, the cream of the crop critics at a more forgiving 29%, and regular movie at a far more harsh 15%. IMDb currently shows that Little Man has finally edged out of its bottom 100 at the still abysmal rating of 2.9 out of 10. Box Office Mojo grades Little Man at a D. So, where do you find anywhere that 5 out of 10 critics like Little Man? And then you say that the poor remake of When A Stranger Calls (WASC) isn't that bad? Rotten Tomates shows WASC at 10% for critics in general, 0% for cream of the crop critics and 27% for regular moviegoers, IMDB currently shows WASC at 4.5 out of 10, and Box Office Mojo grades WASC at a C. This is the Internet, dude. We can check out whether what you're saying is true or not. Next thing we know, you'll be telling us what a great director Uwe Blows is. |
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Or worse...what a *cough* MASTERPIECE Gigli was *eyetwitch, shudder* Response from Head RAZZberry: You can't argue the point -- GIGLI was definately a "piece" of...something! |
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Ok, there are some voting systems (like IMDb) where it's just absolutely ridiculous that you can vote without seeing the movie. Perhaps 300, where it got in the top 250 before it got released and Little Man, where it got to the bottom 100 one day after it's released. You wouldn't expect 3,000 who actually voted saw Little Man. They are haters. Even Grindhouse is now on spot #67 in the top 250, surpassing other great films better than GH. What do you call that? Tarantino fans! And Snakes on a Plane which was shot with a high score when it was released! SOAP fans! Trust me, people vote without seeing the movie meaning the IMDb are crap! Even people who liked GH in the forum stated it's the fans who made the film that far up! Ok, for the other proof, here it is: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/little_man/?beg=0&int=61 &creamcrop_limit=22&page=all On the cream of the crops section, the critics gave the movie (Little Man) and average rating of a 4/10 which might equal 40%. 27% of them don't like the movie but they actually might gave the movie a 2/4 rating! So please, never use the IMDb excuse because anyone could've voted any movie they want for any rating, like a 1 or a 10. Every user (or most) considers the voting system on IMDb a "joke". And for WASC, no one has actually commented on that reply. I've showed you how Disturbia has the same concept as WASC, yet you guys really ignored it. |
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I'll admit - I don't usually rely on IMDb for ratings. So there is kind of a good point in that post The Cream of the Crop ratings - look, 4/10 or 2/4 is STILL a bad rating, no matter how you look at it.
You ignored some of our points. It's only fair. |
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