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    Posted: August 23 2009 at 5:23pm
Yes, I'm sure that The Happening didn't have the right level or kind of corniness to be entertaining, and I tried watching Babylon AD and fell asleep.

I get to watch Max Payne tomorrow. Wish me luck.
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

Why do people associate B-movie with intentionally bad? Look at Grindhouse. The Happening didn't bomb in the box office either.

I guess it's history lesson time for the younger folks on the board. Once upon a time, when people like HeadRazz and I were young, we had a thing called "drive-in movies." You'd actually drive there, typically with a date, hook a crappy speaker to your car and watch movies after sundown. Generally, there would be a double feature.

 The first feature was generally a first run feature people would actually want to watch, while the second feature (the B movie) was usually a piece of crap that the studios knew no one was going to see (for example, your typical M. Nut Shamalamadingdong movie). By that time, either people left after the first feature, or they would be in the back seat with their dates.  Hence the term.

It is more or less meaningless now, because studios will release just about anything these days on the theory that a catchy trailer can lure a decent audience for at least one big weekend and they can pick up the rest of the production costs on rentals.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michaels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2009 at 2:04am
I was going to say, by old school H-Wood's standards, weren't "B movies" the crappy movies that were like bad sci-fi and bad special effects? I mean, by those standards, all these summer blockbuster movies that are CGI driven are glorifed B movies, and the "A movies" are all the serious drama Oscar bait and character driven indie films at the end of the year.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2009 at 2:16am

Typically, B movies tended to be bad sci-fi or horror movies simply because they were cheap to make and generally attracted schlock directors like Ed Wood and Roger Corman. That wasn't always the case, but it wasn't unusual.

Just to address one other issue for the benefit of moviewizguy. Horror movies are not automatically bad, or at least there was a time when that didn't necessarily follow. The Village was bad. It wasn't a romance, it was a crappy attempt at an horror/thriller and the only thing ambigious about it was why a lame script with a transparent plot like that ever got green lighted.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2009 at 10:30am
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

The Village was bad. It wasn't a romance, it was a crappy attempt at an horror/thriller and the only thing ambigious about it was why a lame script with a transparent plot like that ever got green lighted.

I've explained my reasoning why the movie was a romance and you come here like the almighty God and trash it and you have no evidence or facts to support your claim.
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We don't repect your opinions on M. Night's movies because in your eyes, he can do no wrong and no matter what we say, you will still worship every movie he makes regardless if it's good or not. He was good when he made "Sixth Sense", but since then, his movies have gone down hill and have hit rock bottom.

Heck, I'm willing to bet money that if M. Night wrote and directed either "Watchmen" or "Wolverine", you would be ranting on about how they were the greatest comic book movies of all time and the critics and movie goers were so wrong for giving them bad or mixed reviews and not making them big blockbuster hits. And if you deny that, then you're just a liar.

Face it, you think that the nano-second the name "M. Night" is attached to any movie, that movie is an instant classic masterpiece.

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B movies have no budget because they don't have the funds available. They don't really work when the director is used to having a big budget, or at least the knowledge to make their tricks work right.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2009 at 6:52pm

Originally posted by moviewizguy

I've explained my reasoning why the movie was a romance and you come here like the almighty God and trash it and you have no evidence or facts to support your claim.

If you've yet to come to the realization that I am, of course, an almighty God, horrors await you in the afterlife.

Nonetheless, it (The Village) was classified in the horror/thriller genre by the critics at Rotten tomatoes. It was classified in the suspense/thriller genre by the folks at IMDB whom you seem to respect. For the record, I also saw the movie. Quite honestly, there wasn't very much about it that was memorable, but what does come to mind has nothing to do with the films very minor romance elements. 

I'm not sure how much evidence you want, but out of curiousity, I went and read the review at Wikpedia. The 14 paragraph review, divided into 6 segments does not once mention the word "romance." Nonetheless, if you wish to think of it as a romance movie, more power too you. I'll just wander over the the burial site of Bill Shakespeare and collect millions when oil begins shooting out of the ground as the result of the poor guy spinning in his grave.

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Originally posted by Michaels

We don't repect your opinions on M. Night's movies because in your eyes, he can do no wrong and no matter what we say, you will still worship every movie he makes regardless if it's good or not. He was good when he made "Sixth Sense", but since then, his movies have gone down hill and have hit rock bottom.

Well, if you're saying that I'm having unconditional love for his movies, you're wrong. The Happening was my lowest rating for him (7/10). I don't give all his movies a 10/10 rating, although I did give half of his film a 10/10 but I have my reasons. I don't just like his movies for the sake of liking them. My points are my opinion and if you don't agree with me, then just learn to disagree.

Heck, I'm willing to bet money that if M. Night wrote and directed either "Watchmen" or "Wolverine", you would be ranting on about how they were the greatest comic book movies of all time and the critics and movie goers were so wrong for giving them bad or mixed reviews and not making them big blockbuster hits. And if you deny that, then you're just a liar

I'm sure he would certainly do a better job than the movies they turned out to be.

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Originally posted by moviewizguy


Well, if you're saying that I'm having unconditional love for his movies, you're wrong. The Happening was my lowest rating for him (7/10). I don't give all his movies a 10/10 rating, although I did give half of his film a 10/10 but I have my reasons. I don't just like his movies for the sake of liking them. My points are my opinion and if you don't agree with me, then just learn to disagree.

Wow, not a 7 out of 10! And yet you still defend the movie.

I'm sure he would certainly do a better job than the movies they turned out to be.

I rest my case.

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Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Nonetheless, it (The Village) was classified in the horror/thriller genre by the critics at Rotten tomatoes. It was classified in the suspense/thriller genre by the folks at IMDB whom you seem to respect. For the record, I also saw the movie. Quite honestly, there wasn't very much about it that was memorable, but what does come to mind has nothing to do with the films very minor romance elements.

No, it wasn't. The people on IMDb said it was mis-marketed and that most of them respect it as it's own movie. Sure, there are some others who didn't like it but their reasons aren't because it wasn't a horror movie as they hoped for. One user said, "I was hoping for a horror movie but liked it anyway." Multiply that comment by 100000000 and it just shows that people feel the film was mis-marketed. And you forgot about the film so what you remember shouldn't really count unless you have yourself a re-watch. Then you will remember the film has a lot of romance elements in it. It's practically a romantic drama mixed with a morality tale.

I'm not sure how much evidence you want, but out of curiousity, I went and read the review at Wikpedia. The 14 paragraph review, divided into 6 segments does not once mention the word "romance." Nonetheless, if you wish to think of it as a romance movie, more power too you. I'll just wander over the the burial site of Bill Shakespeare and collect millions when oil begins shooting out of the ground as the result of the poor guy spinning in his grave.

It's wikipedia...

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Watch the two videos below. It's almost me repeating myself but having other people say it for me. I have given reasons on why The Village was great but I have to give it to him, he explains it a lot better, along his other films.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cI6Rja7prA&annotation_id =annotation_920407&feature=iv#t=5m52s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd8DEBjHQrM&feature=relat ed
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 2:56pm
Gotta hand it to the world's best critics... The people who made the project.
Reminds me of the promo with the reviews for Community, as told by the actors.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michaels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 5:39pm

"It's wikipedia"? We can say the same thing about IMDb and YouTube. Not one of those three site are controlled by "expert" critics. We can go back and forth posting links from sites claiming if it was horror or a romance, but either way, we'll just discredit them.

And why are you getting so bent out of shape if people consider it a horror movie? The romance was a SUBPLOT. The movie came out 5 years ago, people didn't like it, get over it.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 9:59am
Originally posted by Michaels

And why are you getting so bent out of shape if people consider it a horror movie? The romance was a SUBPLOT. The movie came out 5 years ago, people didn't like it, get over it.

...because it isn't. The romance was THE PLOT. Ok, if the romance wasn't the plot, what was the actual plot? Monsters raiding and scaring the whole village community? Yeah, that happened in like 2 scenes in the whole film. Other than that, I can't find anything else that was horror-ish.
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Okay, THIS was the plot: a group of families were sick and tired of the modern day world and all the negative things in it. So, they formed an old world community so they could hide from the modern world and used the idea of monsters to keep their childern from wondering into the modern world that they feared and hated. THAT was the plot. Then, came the SUBPLOT, in which we have a love triangle nearly exposed the lies that the being hidden from the childern. In the end, is the concern whether the son will live or die? NO, it's if the secret will be revealed!

Again, ask anyone what the plot was to the movie (OUTSIDE of IMDb and YouTube!) and 9 out of 10 times the reply be about the families hiding in their fake modern world, NOT that it was about a love triangle. THAT is why it's NOT considered a romance.

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