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    Posted: October 04 2011 at 2:51pm
They really have to change the story then, because some of the stuff that is "implied" in the film is even worse than the stuff shown. However, I admit that A Serbian Film is "technically" a better film than The Human Centipede -- but that still doesn't make it a good movie!  

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Actually Vits, I find it in reverse. A Serbian Film had good acting from most of the cast, while Human Centipede had only one good performance in Dieter Laser. Also, A Serbian Film actually had a story. Sure, it was disgusting as f*ck, but at least it's not centered around the director's poo fetish like Human Centipede! If you take the quality of the acting and script from A Serbian Film and put it in a non-disgusting movie, you'd have a decent Serbian film.
 

To clarify... Tom Six is NO Wes Craven. As far as comparing directors go, I think you really need to down on Uwe Boll's level to find a director that is his equal...


Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

It's more like New Nightmare than Scream.


The story that everyone's missing here is that of his directorial career before his international breakthrough with The Human Centipede...

He directed 3 movies before The Human Centipede, in order those were...

Gay
His directorial debut...
Plot: An "authentic" depiction of an homosexual couple in Amsterdam... I know little of the plot because I haven''t seen it...
Odd choice of casting: It stars Kelly, a transsexual who's only claim to fame is that she was the first transsexual to be on Big Brother*...
Response: There was a lot of commotion from Gay people/groups who hated the way in which they were depicted in the film (which was marketing it as an authentic depiction).... I also remember seeing it on the IMDB bottom 100 (it has since fallen off)...
Trailer: Not available

*= Tom Six directed episodes for Big Brother before making films....

Honeyz
Plot: Two teenage girls decide to stay the night locked into a department store for a school asignment(?)... It quickly all goes wrong...
Odd choice of casting: Peter Beense, a non-acting Schlager-singer in the role of a security guy... Which is a sign of things to come for his next movie: I Love Dries...
Response: The movie got some of the worst reviews for a Dutch movie ever and swept the short-lived Golden Onion Award which were the Dutch equivalent of the Razzies...link
Trailer: LINK

I Love Dries
His low point...
Plot: A couple that can't conceive kidnap their idol Schlager-singer Dries Roelvink to use him as their spermdonor....
Odd choice of casting: The entire cast seems to exist of Schlager-singers, who have never acted before and never acted since*....
Response: This movie was doomed imediantly after the premise was anounced... No studio wanted to distribute it (can you blame them)... Which off course got a lot of media attention... It eventually went straight-to-dvd after being pre-screened in a chain of hotels...
Trailer: LINK

*= With the exception of Peter Beense who also starred in the above mentioned Honeyz...

The Human Centipede
Revival of his carreer...
Plot: People stitched ass-to-mouth....
Odd choice of casting: They told the premise to all the actresses that auditioned and the ones that didn't run away got the part...
Response: Big internethype and lot's of torture porn-fans who seem to love it...
Trailer: Not important...
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Holy crap! I swear, I thought those were parody trailers! 

Originally posted by Vheid

Tom Six is NO Wes Craven.
 

Obviously, he was referring to both movies having similar formats -- he wasn't comparing their quality. But, as I stated in the SCRE4M forum, being "meta" isn't that hard anymore.
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When I said "quality of the script," I meant if a different, less gross script had the same quality as A Serbian Film. Also, I agree that being "better than Human Centipede" isn't much of an accomplishment. Cats & Dogs 2 was better than Human Centipede, and I unloaded a lot of bile towards that one in my review!  

Originally posted by Vheid

They really have to change the story then because some of the stuff that is implied in the film is even worse than the stuff shown. I however admit that A Serbian Film is technically a better film than The Human Centipede, but that doesn''t make it a good movie.
 
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This isn't a movie -- it's a dare. It was a dare for the writer/director to make the most tasteless movie possible, and it's a dare for audiences to try to sit through all of it!  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 8:55am
You know, I've been thinking: For years (maybe decades) people have disliked Torture/Porn movies in general because they're not scary. But...while they were a subgenre of Horror, I think they have become an actual genre. And movies should be judged by what we expect of them, depending on their genre. We expect this movie to be disgusting. Of course, we still have to consider the film's quality in general. Some of you think the first one didn't have an actual story. That's a perfectly good reason, just as long as it's not an excuse to dislike the movie just for being gross. If that was how it should be done, it would've gotten worse reviews, just like SAW and HOSTEL. The difference is that those 2 focused a lot on the script(I'm not saying they had excellent scripts,just that they worked on them). Bottom line: If/when I see this movie, I'll try to judge the ick factor* but also concentrate on the rest.

Are the rest of you gonna do the same?

*How do I do that? If this movie is the grossest thing I've ever seen, should I see that as good...or bad?  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: When a movie exists solely to see how many audience members it can make barf or faint, I think it's fair to judge it on intention alone. Your argument that if it succeeds at such a lowly ambition, it should be counted as "good" is like saying if someone set out to replicate HUMAN CENTIPEDE's concept of sewing a string of people's faces to the assholes of others, and they succeeded, maybe they should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize for their achievement (okay, the comparison is a little over-the-top, but I'm exaggerating to make a point)...  


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Post Options Post Options   Quote SuperTeenTopia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2011 at 11:16am
Again, that's why I say these kinds of movie are not art or a form of expression, but just a dare (or challenge) to see how tasteless a movie can be. And as for the people who willingly see these movies AND enjoy them (in some cases, laughing at what's happening to the victims): In my opinion, these people need to have an extended stay in a padded room and one of those "hug me" jackets.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Film Reel Redemption Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2011 at 9:08am
This just in: 
 
The BBFC has now overturned its decision to ban this film and is now agreeing to release it with an '18' certificate (adults only). Why did they "un-ban" it?  
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So more british Razzie voters can see it?  
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Because they trimmed some footage out.

Originally posted by Film Reel Redemption

This just in: 
 
The BBFC has now overturned its decision to ban this film and is now agreeing to release it with an '18' certificate (adults only). Why did they "un-ban" it?  
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I think they just want to encourage British Razzie members to vote for it!
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THis might not have an R.T. consensus any time soon, because of it's limited release. But it should stay around 20%(the first one got 50%!).  

Peter Travers gave this a 0: "The film is in black-and-white so the gore doesn't spray quite as colorfully. But you'll still puke up a storm!"
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The (un)Official Critic of the Razzies has spoken: This "movie" is a stinker, and an extreme exercise in bad taste.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2011 at 6:38am
I've been thinking...again. Torture Porn is still a sub-genre of Horror. While SAW and HOSTEL focused more on gore, they still managed to be scary and/or suspenseful at times. But the first HUMAN CENTIPEDE did that maybe 3 times. Maybe being the grossest movie ever made isn't a good thing after all.
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Oh, I heard of him. So Cole Smitty thinks Toy Story 3 is junk, but a film made JUST to be disgusting is good? I thought Cole was smarter than that.  

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Also, one of the critics who liked this is Chris-Chan's half-brother, Cole Smithey. If you don't know who Chris-Chan is, DO NOT look him up!
Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.

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Why spend time "thinking" about torture porn. It's NOT art, it's NOT expression. It's 100% shock value, and nothing more. There is no honor or glory in being the grossest movie ever just for the sake of being the grossest movie ever.   

Originally posted by Vits

 I've been thinking...again.Torture Porn is still a sub-genre of Horror.While SAW and HOSTEL focused more on the gore,they still tried to be scary and/or suspenseful at times.But the first HUMAN CENTIPEDE did it maybe 3 times.Maybe being the grossest movie ever isn't a good thing after all.
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Time to review the first Human Centipede.
 
The good:
 
Dieter Laser: Laser is good as the mentally unbalanced dokter. Also, as I mentioned in my Plan 9 review, he has an awesome name! That's like a Bond villain name.
 
Some unintentional humor: There are parts of this that are humorous. For starters, the first thing that Heiter makes the centipede do is... fetch the paper. They should have called it The Human Centipuppy!
 
The bad:
 
Medical accuracy: As some of you might recall, the poster for this stated that it was "100% Medically Accurate." That's a load of sh*t right there.
 
Akihiro Kitamura: Kitamura plays the first segment of the centipede. His acting is stiff, but he has one great line that prevents him from being in the ugly: "The Japanese possess unbelievable strength when backed into a corner!"
 
The plot hole: People who've seen this know what I'm talking about. Heiter brings the centipede up to the house and back down to the basement. The problem is that his staircase is spiral: how the f*ck does that work? Towards the end, when Heiter is conversing with police officers, the centipede tries to escape but has trouble with the staircase. If they got up the staircase fine with Heiter, why don't they just do what he was telling them to do?
 
The ugly:
 
Ashlynn Yennie: Yennie's acting is truely terrible. She plays the ass end of the centipede. Considering how annoying she was during the non-centipede scenes, you'll be glad that her mouth is shut!
 
Tom Six: Six came up with a good hook for the movie, but forgot to add a story to it! Once you get over the fact that there's three people stitched ass to mouth, you realize that there isn't a story. Seriosuly, can anyone tell me what the plot was? No, because there isn;t one!
 
Ashley C. Williams: Williams is easily one of the worst actresses of all time. Her performance is just terrible! Especially annoying is that she's the only one left alive at the end of the movie.
 
This is one of the most boring films ever. Grade: D
 
Next-up: I don't know. I don't have any plans for a review before the 13th, but I'll fit a movie in before that.
 
Also, here's something funny I came across.
 
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