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    Posted: November 19 2011 at 10:48pm
I didn't like Trannies 3 at all apart from sweet Rosie's body, but yeah, the CGI was good.
I know that the wolves from "Eclipse" were some kind of innovation, I read an article about it and can't recall exactly what it said but the amount of single hairs in the fur was higher than ever before, previously the fur of Peter Jackson's "King Kong" had the most digital hairs. Interesting fact. Too bad the wolves from "Breaking Dawn" look so cartoonish and out of place. "Gmork", the wolf from "Neverending Story" in '84 looked more realistic than them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 10:27am
It'll stay between 25-30% at R.T.. So it's on the same level as NEW MOON.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 4:46pm
I'll offer here that based upon the critical reaction, this is probably by far the worst of this license. It might even legitimately be worthy of several nominations which last year's offering probably wasn't. However, based upon the overwhelming competition this year, I don't see it actually winning anything. I am, however, surprised that we haven't seen the legion of apologists show up so far. It kind of disappoints me. I was locked and loaded LOL
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I just saw the weekend box office numbers for this movie and I am appalled. These gullible moviegoers decided to waste perfectly good money on crap when they could've spent it on something that's actually worth their time. It pains me to $139M spent on a movie that makes 'The Love Guru' look like 'Wayne's World', 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' look like 'The Empire Strikes Back', and 'The Last Airbender' look like 'The Sixth Sense'. The public wants us to shut the fans up and let them know this series's place in cinema (at or near the bottom). Let's do them a favor and give this farce its just desserts.

Of course, we may end up giving Happy Madison Productions its just desserts instead.
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I'm confused, Miguel. Did you expect this not to be a box office hit?
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Miguel, all three of those movies you mentioned were worse than this. I gave all three of them F's.
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Oh, dont worry! Come nomination time, you'll get your chance -- in fact, I have a feeling most of the people on this Forum are eagerly waiting for for them to show up:

Bring it, Twi-Hards!!  Wink   

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

I am, however, surprised that we haven't seen the legion of apologists show up so far. It kind of disappoints me. I was locked and loaded LOL
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Miguel, Miguel, Miguel....I hate to say I told you so...but no matter what you may think of these movies, no matter what I may think of these movies and no matter what the critics may think of these movies, they have a loyal audience. Further, we could give these movies every Razzie on the board this year and Breaking Wind 2 will do just as well at the box-office. This is yet another reason why our giving any attention to these movies whatsoever is as productive as pissing up a rope. The audience this license has established is going to go see them. Period. The people that don't care won't be particularly interested that we Razzed them. They will continue to take the appropriate course of action and ignore them, while probably scorning us a bit for not picking on something more deserving.  

Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

I just saw the weekend box office numbers for this movie and I am appalled. These gullible moviegoers decided to waste perfectly good money on crap when they could've spent it on something that's actually worth their time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tomdale23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2011 at 12:07am
My sister look forward watching this movie. But I gotta tell her about the gruesome scene on Breaking Dawn II. I don't think she'll still be a fanatic.
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This series has already done enough damage to earn a number of Razzie Awards, but the package still needs to be delivered.  And with Happy Madison barring the way, it won't be easy.
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Wow, Miguel! I thought that when you came back, you'd post several things, instead of just repeating the exact same thing. 

So now Twilight #4 is your choice only for Worst Screenplay? I am confused again.  
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Let me spell it out for you, Vits:  My heart wants "The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1" to win big at the Razzie Awards, but my brain doesn't think it will.  That's why my list of predictions for front-runners is different from the results I would rather see.   


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1) Actually, it does have a lot of chances to win. Each installment gets more nominations, and since this is the worst reviewed... Also, because it was released berry recently, it's fresh on the voters' memory.
2) Writing frontrunners here is based on what we want, not what will win.

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I just saw it.

F.Y.C.:
-Actor for Pattinson (also for WATER FOR ELEPHANTS) and Lautner (also for ABDUCTION); Supp. Actor for Billy Burke (also for DRIVE ANGRY and RED RIDING HOOD): Yes.
-Screenplay; Worst Excuse For A Horror Movie*: Maybe.
-Actress for Stewart; Supp. Actress; Director; Couple/Ensemble; Picture: No.

*If you've seen it, you'll understand why I listed it there.

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I'm guessing that when Spielberg made Shindler's List, it was more about getting the story told from his perspective than making a lot of money. But if some young, relatively unknown director walked into a major studio production office with the same script tomorrow, he'd get his hind end tossed out onto the street. Spielberg was at a point in his career where simply having his name attached to that movie guaranteed that it would be a cash cow. So, lest we forget, this IS still America and most films are created to make money, not necessarily to raise consciousness about the horrifying religious wars going on between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria. Those stories are left to be told by documentary film makers who are typically lucky if 500 people ever see their films.

What people forget is that film is art and entertainment, but it's also a job. And one works to earn money.
Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Also, for anyone else feeling masochistic, there's an end-credit scene.

Based on how the movie ends, that scene has the only reason to watch PART 2.
Originally posted by mbh

"Breaking Wind" is amongst other record holders: biggest difference in percentage of critical reviews (26%) compared to audience reviews (92%) on RT.

Right now is at 27 and 72. Coincidence?
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Right now is at 27 and 72. Coincidence?

Normal. All the fans flock in and got what they wanted, rating it high. So the general public gets curious, takes a chance and gets a reality check. Rating sinks way down. It's still not as low as I thought it would go.

Vits, "Water for elephants" is not Razzie material. Seeing that movie (including Patt's performance) on any kind of list here would shake my faith in the Razzies representing the worst.

I stand by my saying that this year could be Twilight's year for a Razzie, and for me it would be very satisfying. But I beg to differ. I was pleading for a Razzie for Stewart for over a year, but she has gotten better. And I just don't see a point in giving a Razzie to an obnoxious character. Same goes for the stiff, brooding Cullen character. It's like giving a Razzie to a book character, or to Meyers. I don't know how much sense that makes or what consequence should come out of it, though. It would also not hold back the masses of teenage girls.
Saying that, I do feel the need to punish whoever was writing the dialogue:
"Hi." "Thank you." "They made it?" "Yes." "Good."
Even if this was taken out of the book, why did they not fix it? Same goes for that ridiculous line saying "You did this!" to the husband when he sees the pregnant girl.

Miguel, I didn't dislike "Breaking Dawn" overall as much as "J&J" or "The Smurfs", "Red Riding Hood", "Season of the witch" or "Abduction", but I think it has a serious shot at "worst screenplay". I will watch all the nominees again back to back when the list comes out, so I can compare them directly.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: At this point, it looks likely that Pattinson will be listed on our Nominating Ballot only for BREAKING DAWN #1 (since ELEPHANTS was never even discussed on our Forum, and is currently rated "Fresh" w/a 61% Positive rating: R.T. LINK). Lautner, however, looks likely to be listed for both this film and ABDUCTION (Forum LINK). And if she were to be a Worst Actress nominee, Stewart would probably lose to the obvious front-runner in that category, Adam Sandler in drag in JACK & JILL (Forum LINK)... 


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Time to bite the bullet and review this. 
 
The good: 
 
Billy Burke: Burke is one of the few people here who escapes with his dignity. He plays Bella's dad, Officer Pornstache. Bella treats him like crap because he's concerned about her immense stupidity. 
 
Gil Birmingham: Birmingham plays Jacob's dad, Chief Spining Wheels. His acting isn't too bad and with the crap acting on display, that counts for something here. Same goes for Peter Facinelli who's "OK" as Dr. Bloodbath. 
 
The Brazilian locales: The shots of Brazil are beautiful. No word if it's on the West Coast or not. The whole movie should have been Officer Pornstache, Chief Spining Wheels, and Dr. Bloodbath getting drunk in Brazil and solving crimes. 
 
The bad: 
 
Robert Pattinson: Pattinson's stiff here. He's not as bad as he was in the first three, but that's not saying much. 
 
Kristen Stewart: Much like Pattinson, she not as bad as she was in the first three. And, again, that's not saying much. 
 
Bill Condon: Condon, you have an Oscar! What the f*ck are you doing here?!?!? 
 
The ugly: 
 
Taylor Lautner: The movie doesn't take it's time to get him shirtless. Unlike Stewart and Pattinson, his acting has regressed! This amuses me because his performances in the first two trumped the two love-bats' performances. 
 
The screenplay: The writing has always been the downfall of the Twatlight films. But this isn't a problem of Melissa Rosenberg, who's worked on Dexter. No, the problem goes back to the source, Stephenie Meyer! She can't write to save her life, she doesn't do any research*, has a massive ego**, and is an overall dumbass. In fact, I believe that the Twilight films could be quality movies if they weren't based on the writings of a deranged Mormon! 
 
Renesmee: Renesmee is Edward and Bella's Satanic spawn of a baby. She slowly drains Bella of her blood. And, worst of all, Jacob imprints on her. That means that they're destined to be in love forever because Stephenie Meyer has f*cked-up ideas about romance. Seriously, she thinks that Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights is the ideal romantic hero!
 
I was able to go thoughout the whole review with mentioning the issue of "sparkling." Grade: D
 
Next-up: Human Centipede II!
 
*That comment about the West Coast of Brazil wasn't a pointless joke; she actually wrote that! She, also, thinks that bankers had an awesome time during the Great Depression, 17th century London had sewers, etc.
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