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HeadRAZZBerry 
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 Topic: Members' Discussion of COLOMBIANA...Posted: August 23 2011 at 9:41am |
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HERE's WHERE to LAND YER "BODY BLOWS" on 2011's ANSWER to CLEOPATRA SCHWARTZ...
...and HERE's the LINK to READ WHAT YE OLDE HEAD RAZZBERRY SEZ ABOUT THIS FILM... |
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Film Reel Redemption
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 11:17am |
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Looks like we have another promising star on the Hollywood star chart coming into 'Career Mis-Step sufferers/Destroyers' Anonymous...
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You see in this filmmaking world there's two types of people my friend. Those with the knowledge of film and those who think they do but really don't.
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Vits
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 11:17am |
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Seems to me this is more like a sequel to her 2010 film THE LOSERS.
Personally, I don't like Luc Besson's style very much(I gave LEON THE PROFESSIONAL 6/10). But if he can make something good out of movies that clearly seem bad (like BANDIDAS which also got a 6), this may not be bad. Let's face it: whenever he writes and produces a movie and then hires unknown directors, it's so he can still have the creative control. |
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Mayhem5185
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 1:44pm |
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Love the KFM reference -- All this movie would have to do is add in some Rex Kramer and a Fistful of Yen and it would be spot-on!.
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 6:04pm |
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With all due respect, Mister Vits, Saldana is Dominican Republican. Chances are she is of both Hispanic and African descent, as she has been interviewed by many magazines which cater to either one of those two ethnic groups. And lest we forget, Hollywood casts almost entirely based on appearance, so Saldana is almost always cast as an African-American due to her naturally dark skin. However, you should be happy to know that in this movie, she is playing a Latina who just happens to be dark skinned. But hey, why not compare her to Pam Grier or Halle Berry as a black action heroine? Berry is not 100% black either, don't you know? We live in a time where very few people are 100% one ethnicity any more and can be cast in different roles depending on their looks. I wouldn't complain about this, instead you should be glad that Hollywood is opening up to minorities, rather than turning their backs on them.
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"People say 'It's all about the story’. When you're making tentpole films, bull$hit." -Andy Hendrickson (Disney Animation Studios' Chief Technical Officer)
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jesse685
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 12:36am |
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I thought people said that we should wait for lots of reviews to come up before we go giving something a Forum?
RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: That was a suggestion from another Forum member, not an official edict. And if I'm remembering correctly, it was partially aimed at "Member Started Forums," which often were started before any indicators of a film's quality were even available. In the case of this particular film, it has what we call a "RAZZIE® Pedigree" (meaning it was made by people with a past RAZZIE® track record) its basic concept seems ripe for RAZZing, and early reviews have been 2-to-1 negative... |
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Vheid
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 10:54am |
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Why? Do you think that Don't Be Afraid of the Dark or Our Idiot Brother are more obvious Razzie-targets? I personally don't....
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Vheid
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 11:02am |
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Luc Besson has made very bad films in recent years, but somehow I can't completely hate him... Because I know that he still is a very talented filmmaker... I am really looking forward to The Lady (for which they recently released a teaser)... A biopic of Burmese democracy activist Aung San Suu Kyi directed by Besson...
I think that it looks a lot better than that other upcoming biopic with "Lady" in the title... |
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Vits
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 11:37am |
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I think THE LADY will flop. Besson's fans want him doing action movies, so not seeing this will be their way of protesting.
Not quite. I do support that someone can play a character of a different race or country if they look like they can pull it off. My problem is, just like you said, audiences can't tell them appart sometimes. Which is why I didn't know Berry wasn't 100% black until you said it. People protested against the casting in MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA. I didn't because to me, it's true that Asians look like Asians. But I don't know which of those actors were Japanese or Chinese. I don't have the exact numbers, but at least half of us latinos are white. I have no problem with a latina playing a black girl, which is what Saldahna usually does, but I have a problem when people assume all latinos have dark skin.
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 12:17pm |
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The main difference with that GEISHA movie is the history between China and Japan, who have HATED each other for ages We here in North and South America may not care, but it was a big insult to people in China and Japan for Chinese actors and actresses to be playing Japanese roles.
As for people thinking all Latinos are dark skinned, well, in America, we have Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans living among us and like or not ... nearly all of them have dark skin. I don't mean that as a racist remark, but when 90% of Latinos in America are dark skinned, Americans are going to naturally assume that all Latinos, regardless of country of origin, are dark skinned. AND, if you cast light skinned Latinos too often, then the dark skinned Latino community complains about it. So you can't please everyone all the time. |
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Vits
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Posted: August 25 2011 at 7:46am |
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I'm aware of that. When I was in the U.S., I had to convince people I was white. One time someone asked me if I was from Turkey.
I'm just saying there things that can prevent those thoughts, and latinos playing black all the time doesn't help.
Really? When has someone complained about that?
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: August 25 2011 at 11:15am |
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Again, it's within the Hispanic community, so usually in magazines like "Latina," and in/on blogs.
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SchumacherH8ter
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Posted: August 25 2011 at 1:35pm |
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The only Luc Besson movie that I thought was good was The Professional.
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SuperTeenTopia
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Posted: August 25 2011 at 3:28pm |
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What about "La Femme Nikita"? It's made quite the impact, considering it's been remade three times, as a movie and twice as a TV series...
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SchumacherH8ter
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Posted: August 25 2011 at 9:12pm |
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I've seen La Femme Nikita and I stand by my statement. I, also, include movies he produced too*.
*I know he produced Taken, but that wasn't very good quality-wise; it's more of a guilty pleasure. It was fun to watch Liam Neeson do horrible things to horrible people who did horrible things to his daughter, but not satisfying artistically.
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jesse685
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Posted: August 26 2011 at 3:04am |
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Only 19 reviews and 10 are Fresh, which means the rotten reviews have been outnumbered but still reads at 53%.
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