Stallone is NOT such a bad actor!
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Topic: Stallone is NOT such a bad actor!
Posted By: That 60s hippie
Subject: Stallone is NOT such a bad actor!
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 4:39am
| The man is just pure entertainment- come on you know im right |
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Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 8:18am
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He was good in Cop Land...at least, I heard that he was. Response from Head RAZZberry: And COP LAND was just about the ONLY appearance by Stallone since 1984's RHINESTONE for which he was not a Razzie nominee. I'll admit, for Stallone, he was okay in that ONE film. But he's made about 2 DOZEN movies over the last 22 years, in most of which he's been a monosyllabic, musclebound moron who blows things up, or beats them to a pulp. If you think we've been harsh to Sly, name FIVE good movies he's been in (other than the already mentioned COP LAND and the 1976 original ROCKY). Bet you can't... ------------- |
Posted By: That 60s hippie
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 9:17pm
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ignore the acting and just enjoy the movies he's made- i loved Rambo, judge dread, Demolition man and asassins.
Its just entertainment |
Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 6:14am
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Besides Cop Land and Rocky, I can't. |
Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 2:26pm
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I believe that Stallone should have won the RAZZIE in 2001 for WORST ACTOR (in Driven) instead of Charlton Heston... Response from Head RAZZberry: Actually, Heston "won" as Worst SUPPORTING Actor in 2001 (beating out Burt Reynolds in DRIVEN). Stallone "lost" Worst Actor to Tom Green in FREDDY GOT FINGERED, which swept the Razzies that year... ------------- Comparing Uwe Boll's movies to a sack of horse manure will only get you sued by every fertilizer company in existence... |
Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 2:50pm
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Stallone was recently on Inside the Actors' Studio....seriously. ------------- |
Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 10:12am
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I KNEW I left a word out of that post...
Thanks for the correction before I even got to it...  ------------- Comparing Uwe Boll's movies to a sack of horse manure will only get you sued by every fertilizer company in existence... |
Posted By: jb razz
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 10:51am
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Rocky 2 and Rocky 3 were good, just not as good as the original. I haven't seen Rocky 4 (and I don't ever plan to) because I have heard that it is bad, but how can Stallone win a razzie for playing the same character he was nominated for an Oscar for playing? |
Posted By: moorlock2003
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 11:43am
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Stallone is not everyone's cup of tea, that's for sure. But there is this nagging feeling that he really should, at some point, bow out. Hell, even Madonna and Eddie Murphy recently said they were giving up acting. Bravo! Best news I've heard in a long time. Time will tell if they keep their promises. ------------- Fred Cooper |
Posted By: Balboa6
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 4:55pm
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The naysayers haven't even watched the vast majority of Sly's movies. |
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 4:46am
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RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: While I cannot vouch for our other several hundred Voting RAZZIE Members, I myself have actually suffered through every film for which Stallone has received each of his record 30 nominations. And while he does occasionally rise about the low-brow expectations of his audience (COP LAND and ROCKY BALBOA come to mind) Sly is, in my estimation, a one-note, two trick pony (those ponies named Rocky Balboa and John Rambo) who should himself be amazed and grateful at the level of success his limited vision and talents have given him... ------------- Ye Olde Head RAZZberry |
Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 6:37pm
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I have seen many of Sly's movies, and he does play the same one dimensional character who uses 90% of his cerebrum to converse in a level below the first Dick-and-Jane reader.
I will confess that there are times I keep playing Rhinestone over and over again (where he's dressed like a pimp on Sesame Street as he warbles "Drinkenstein").
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Posted By: Balboa6
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 6:32am
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That statement proves otherwise. RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Your syntax (and your command of English) both seem rather vague here -- Which "statement" proves WHAT "otherwise"... [/QUOTE=JoeBacon] I have seen many of Sly's movies, and he does play the same one dimensional character who uses 90% of his cerebrum to converse in a level below the first Dick- and-Jane reader. I will confess that there are times I keep playing "Rhinestone" over and over again where he is dressed like a pimp on Sesame Street as he warbles "Drinkenstein". [/QUOTE] ------------- |
Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 1:37am
| Although I can't defend Stallone's acting, since "Rocky 1" and "Copland" are the only two good examples, I do agree that he should be spared for 2008 because there are biggest fish to fry like Uwe Boll, Seltzerberg, and the hacks behind "Meet Dave", "Love Guru", "Hottie and Nottie", and "HSM3". |
Posted By: TaRaN-RoD
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 5:27pm
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You should say, Stallone is a great actor! I totally disagree with all wins and nominations he got, except for Rambo 2, 3 and Rocky 4 (but just for the acting, the directing was a stupid choice of Razzie)! Stallone is charming, touching, inspiring, tallented... He is far from the other stupid un-tallented action guys who is Arnold Schwarzenegger who in my opinion should have took all the bad comments and Razzie nominations and wins that Stallone won! Come on, what does make the stupid comedies that Schwarzenegger made better than the Stallone's comedies that are in my opinion entertaining (Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot was pretty funny and I don't see what Stallone did bad in this movie to receive ''Worst Actor'')! |
Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 12:34pm
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After a long time analyzing the RAZZIEs' history, I knew there were many, far worse movies than Sylvester Stallone's. For 1988, I didn't like that Cocktail got Worst Picture over Mac & Me AND Caddyshack II, but part of me was grateful that "winner" wasn't Rambo III. For 1990, I would've picked Graffiti Bridge for Worst Picture, but again, I also wished I could consider myself grateful it wasn't Rocky V. Then, for 2008, I breathed a BIG sigh of relief that Rambo IV evaded any RAZZIE nominations. My colleagues loved that movie. Compared with Step Brothers, it was easy to understand why, though Rambo IV wasn't great. Perhaps the Worst Picture category's biggest enigma is Rambo: First Blood II beating Revolution in 1985. ------------- RAZZIE Dirty Dozen: Battlefield Earth, F G Fingered, Pluto Nash, A Sound of Thunder, Alone in the Dark, Dirty Love, Rise Silver Srfr, Daddy Day Camp, IKWKM, The Love Guru, All About Steve, Airbender |
Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 1:02pm
| I don't know why the Razzies seem to target Stallone all the time, because there are worst actors than him. As for Stallone, well, I never cared for him outside of "Rocky 1". |
Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 3:22pm
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I don't think a careful evalution of the evidence supports the notion that Stallone is targeted all the time. However, he has set himself up on a position where his movies are automatically going to at least get our attention. Head Razz was right on in an earlier post on this thread when he suggested that Stallone is essentially a two trick pony. Actually, I'd narrow that scope to one trick pony because I personally don't see any significant difference in Rambo and Rocky as characters. ------------- Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken |
Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 3:30pm
| Well, he has "won" the most Razzies of all time, so it would at least seem like the Razzies are out to get him. However, I have respect for the voters who spared him last year and instead went after a much more worthy target that until that year managed to get away razzie free ... Uwe "Toilet" Boll as a new member of the Razzie Lifetime of Bad Achievement Hall of Shame. |
Posted By: TaRaN-RoD
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 5:09pm
Kinda agree... but this is just because until this time Razzies hate Stallone it wasn't a real analyze because Rambo: First Blood Part.2 is not SO bad and by far better than Revolution! |
Posted By: Balboa6
Date Posted: January 28 2010 at 7:53pm
In other words, you haven't watched any of his other films aside from Rocky and Cop Land. |
Posted By: Balboa6
Date Posted: January 28 2010 at 7:58pm
Nobody who has seen his films would say that. He has played a variety of different characters. Stallone is extraordinarily diverse and talented and has played a wide range of characters. Perhaps if those who created the Razzies actually had lives or a talent of their own they wouldn't feel the need to fabricate, exaggerate, and generalize and they wouldn't have to latch on to other people like a bunch of parasites to compensate for their immense insecurities and their complete and utter incompetency.
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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 28 2010 at 8:20pm
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"A variety of different characters"? You're kidding right? Stallone has played a cop type character for at least a dozen movies, the only thing that changes is his character's name and their base of location. And if our opinions are so pointless, then why are you bothering to argue with us?
------------- "Just once I want my life to be like an 80's movie ... but, no, no. John Hughes did not direct my life." ("Easy A", 2010) |
Posted By: TaRaN-RoD
Date Posted: January 28 2010 at 8:43pm
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Totally agree with Balboa6... Stallone is a tallented actor who played a variety of caracters. To support my point of view, I'll name some different kinds of roles he played and played perfectly in my opinion (and the opinion of the general public):
- A nostalgic, inspiring, touching and charming boxer in the Rocky movies, except the third and fourth ones and on those I'll probably agree that they were not really good movies and not great performances from Sly EXCEPT the really touching Mickey's dead scene in Rocky III in which Stallone gives an exceptional acting.
- A traumatized war veteran in Rambo First Blood and Rambo 4, and I don't even talk about the crapes that are Rambo 2 and 3 (entertaining crapes anyway lol).
- A syndicated employee in F.I.S.T. (great movie, great performance).
- A desesperated man who wants to have some money in Paradise Alley.
- A gangster who wants to have revenge because his brother was killed in Get Carter (GREAT performance by Sly I really don't see why he got a nomination once again for worst actor).
And you want more examples... just say!
Ok now 5 good movies except Rocky and Cop Land, I'm ready to bet that you guys never saw:
- Paradise Alley
- F.I.S.T.
- Victory
- First Blood
- Rocky II, V and Balboa
All great movies... and I didn't name them all I just got best examples of great Sly's movies! RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: You're actually going to argue F.I.S.T. is a good movie/performance?? When I saw it in a theatre in its original release, the audience founds Sly's mumbling delivery so confusing that there was one scene in which they all thought he was still speaking English, when in fact the dialogue was in Polish! Also, I am getting tired of your insisting that none of us has ever even seen the crappy movies your idol keeps on making -- I have already said, multiple times, that I myself have actually seen every indefensible one of the piece of sheit movies for which he's been a RAZZIE nominee -- and wish there were some way I could get all those wasted hours of my life back. You like Stallone? FINE! But please stop acting as though you, with your limited command of English and miniscule sense of what constitutes true entertainment, are the smartest guy in the room. Your admiration for Sly instantly proves otherwise...
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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 29 2010 at 8:02am
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Okay, but this is like going on the path of you complaining about Christian Bale only having two good performances in his entire career. That's only 5 good roles for Stallone that had variety to them. Other than those roles, he's played a policemen type character through the rest of his career. That's not variety, that's type-casting.
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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 29 2010 at 10:24pm
"caracters"? "deseperated"?
 This debate is over. ------------- Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken |
Posted By: Mayhem5185
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 5:58am
| This is why i love coming back here, i always get entertained by the diversity of the arguments. On one end of the spectrum you have two dip-dunks like balboa and tarod who literally kiss stallones steroid/hgh infected nut sack no matter how bad the movie is. Next thing there going to tell us is that Over the Top deserved to sweep the academy awards and is a piece of cinematic genius. Seriously do you guys even believe what you say or are you just trolls trying to get a rise out of people, but either way don't stop on my account, it makes for a very interesting debate, and by interesting i mean i laugh my ass off. Then on the other side you have saturn and headrazz who get all up in arms over stallone worse than kanye west at an awards show. I can just picture them at their computers reading about stallone's newest movie projects, reeling in fear and going "STALLONE SCARY... STALLONE MAKE SUN GO AWAY!" Either way i hope this debate continues, it doesn't bring anything new to the table but at least it's more entertaining than any of the wide releases coming out this week. Oh and saturn are you really doing the whole grammar police thing? That is so aintitcool.com, your better than that. And by the way headrazz, the new site runs great i can actually access the forums on my cell phone, good work. |
Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 6:37am
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Don't worry, Mayhem, I'm sure this little "debate" will keep going. These Sly Lovers lost most respect from us when they claimed Stallone is among the greatest actors of all time, whose roles have been so diverse ... when he's played a policeman a dozen times and has starred in 10 movies as the same two roles! Meanwhile, Christian Bale, who has had a diverse career of different characters, and has only appeared in one sequel, and has had two or three Oscar worthy roles that were overlooked ... he is the worst actor in past decade and deserves to get razzed. Why? because he yelled at a guy who was too stupid to realize you should be fixing the lightning BEFORE shooting the scene, not DURING. I mean, that alone is a Razzie worthy trespass, apparently in their world.
But yeah, they are Sly Lovers in a Sly Hating forum. They will not last long.
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Posted By: TaRaN-RoD
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 8:55am
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First, no my first language is not English, sorry for that! I'm speaking French and Russian! But I'm still good in English!
After, yes I assume, I'm a Sly lover in a Sly Hating Forum and I don't think that my arguments will change anything to your opinion but at least I want to share what I think so that's what I do.
But somewhere you have wrong, I'm not a Sly-fan who hates every others single actors in the world and didn't say he's the best actor of all time... I appreciate the movies, I loves movies, movies is a passion for me... I appreciate everything done with smoothness and tallent... sometimes, I could even enjoy bad movies... BUT im MY opinion, Sly has done a lot of good movies and has tallent and this is why I'm gonna never understand why you Razze him for the 95% of what he's doing!
And also please say me... In what is Stallone worse that Steven Seagal? Jean-Claude Van Damme? Chuck Norris? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Vin Diesel? Orlando Bloom? Paul Walker? Nicholas Cage? And a lot of other crapier actors? (I was going to name Christian Bale but no one would agree with me so...)
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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 12:58pm
You may claim him to be better than those other actors you mentioned, but he's really only on par with them.
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Posted By: Balboa6
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 3:06pm
Daylight, Assassins, Cliffhanger, Rocky 2-5, and RAMBO are all great. Tango & Cash was also very entertaining. They aren't even remotely bad movies. Then again coming from you, it's extremely difficult to take any kind of criticism seriously. |
Posted By: Balboa6
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 3:25pm
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F.I.S.T. is a fantastic movie and Sylvester Stallone delivered an excellent performance, evolving throughout the film from a lowly union worker who, over the period of several decades, goes through a transformation and resents immensely the fact that he has become what he hated when he was a young man, having ties with the mafia and having sacrificed his integrity in order to do what he thought was right. It's a marvelous, underrated performance and film and certainly doesn't merit the negative criticism you dish out, then again you have no credibility so it really doesn't matter, does it? . Anyone who thinks he mumbles simply is not listening. It's that simple. Personally, I think you're full of sh*t and highly doubt you saw it in the theater, but you say you are getting tired of people doubting whether or not you've seen all of his movies; well, then try to do more than lie, exaggerate and generalize. It's all you do. You can't seem to give legitimate, solid reasons that make any sense. Insulting Stallone due to your inexplicable, irrational grudge against him doesn't constitute reasoning. What constitutes entertainment isn't one, specific thing. Sylvester Stallone has inspired an enormous amount of people throughout the world. His artistic contributions have inspired me greatly as a writer and actor, not to mention his vast knowledge when it comes to health and fitness, as well as his philosophical approach to life. People like yourself simply do not get anything. You have absolutely no idea what Rocky is even about. To you it's just "a boxing movie," and you use every overwhelmingly tired, overused cliche' to try to describe your reasons for bashing the franchise. The sequels are just as great. All you are seeing is numbers--"oh there's this many...duhhhhh......." Each one is an examination of a life in progress. To think one film is enough to say everything there is to say about that character is pretty stupid. You and the rest of the uneducated, pseudo-intellectual, clueless wannabes who run this worthless piece of dirtbag sh*t, meaningless site list films which don't even remotely belong in so much as a subpar category, let alone being "bad films." Al Pacino has made an enormous amount of sh*tty films. Also, how many times has Robert Deniro played a gangster or a cop? Oh I forgot, it's them; they get a free pass. It's justified and perfectly acceptable. It's just pure brilliance, but if Sylvester Stallone plays a handful of different characters who happen to work in some branch of law enforcement it's a sin and deserves condemnation. You people aren't fooling anyone. You prove you haven't seen all of his films with each post and your posts progressively seem more and more desperate to convince others you've seen them, which your words say otherwise. Sylvester Stallone has proven time and time again he has astonishing ability as a dramatic actor as well as his great physical prowess, which enables him to do action oriented roles as well. He is very diverse and is on par with some of the greats such as Clint Eastwood, Mickey Rourke, James Cagney, etc. Perhaps whenever you people come up with something legitimate, based on something in reality, people will take you seriously. Until then, don't expect much. I'll take your assertion that being a Sylvester Stallone fan is an indication of low intelligence as a compliment. Seeing as how he is extraordinarily intelligent and sophisticated, that's a pretty nice ego boost.
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Posted By: TaRaN-RoD
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 6:42pm
And for the bold selections.... WHAT THE HELL???? Are you blind or something, do you even know what a bad performance is???? Honnestly, I don't think so!
Cobra is a cool movie in which Stallone is such a styly man and he gives to us such a very subtle performance!!! VERY far from being a bad performance.... By far better than any crappier performances that Arnold Schwarzenegger EVER gave to us!!! And this is just a medium performance by Sly, but very styly and subtle! Not a masterpiece, but by far better than every Schwarzenegger's movies except the first 2 Terminators which are the ONLY good Schwarzenegger's movies!
Over the Top is a touching movie and Sly gives to us a touching performance, I cannot even believe that is possible to bash him for this touching and inspiring movie in which Stallone plays a father who wants to have his son back!
I won't give my opinion for every movies I selected, but just try to make you understand why I think you've wrong!
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Posted By: TaRaN-RoD
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 6:43pm
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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: January 31 2010 at 8:08am
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Guys, let tell you a little something about myself. I have spent a large time of my childhood watching movies, I took classes about film in school, I was the president of my college's film club, I made short films for that club and for local filmmakers, I have written a dozen screenplays, have watched the Oscars and Indie Spirit Awards each and every year that I can, and I the only TV I watch are movie channels like HBO, Encore, the Sundance Channel, the IFC Channel, Turner Classic Movies, and Starz. So I think I would know a good movie from a bad one, thank you very much.
Now, I understand that you guys love "Rocky 1". You doesn't? It's a entertaining movie, it's an inspiring movie, it's a classic movie. However, since then, Stallone's career has been one-note. In a role in which he plays a down on this luck, wannabe boxer without a bright future, I can understand why it would be okay for him to play a mumbling, look of confusion on his face at all times, simpleton. However, he seems to carry that same mumbling speech pattern and look of confusion into every other movie he did since then. And considering I listed 24 of his worst movies and out of those 24, you could only point out 10 good ones (or at least "not that bad" ones), that's not a good track record either, in fact, it looks kinda polarizing.
I have nothing against you guys or your opinions. But let's be real. Stallone is not the greatest actor to ever live, he's not on par with Robert De Niro. Sure, his movies might be "entertaining", but "entertaining" doesn't always mean "good". And I even agreed last year, when the Razzies were heavily considering Razzing Sly for the millionth time for "Rambo 4", I stepped in to said "Okay, guys, you Razzed him 10 times already. You should move on; you have bigger fish to fry". Sure enough, the Sly Guy didn't make it to the final round of that year.
So guys, I respect your opinions, but don't be going around saying that the rest of us don't know what we're talking about. We've either studied film all our lives or we currently work in film in some form or another. So I think we are going to know best about what a bad movie is, and that is why these awards exist in the first place. Thank you, and have a nice day.
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Posted By: scoobs23
Date Posted: March 29 2010 at 12:44am
Here's a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBqdmelCVk - | Originally posted by HeadRAZZBerry | You're actually going to argue F.I.S.T. is a good movie/performance?? When I saw it in a theatre in its original release, the audience founds Sly's mumbling delivery so confusing that there was one scene in which they all thought he was still speaking English, when in fact the dialogue was in Polish! |
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