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Should we Finally Give YO-MAN a Heave Ho?

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Forum Discription: With ROCKY XVII Coming Out This Christmas, The Punch-Drunk Pugilist Seems RIPE for Picking On...
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Topic: Should we Finally Give YO-MAN a Heave Ho?
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Should we Finally Give YO-MAN a Heave Ho?
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 2:53am

This Poll Is Now CLOSED -- But If You'd Still Like to VOTE, Here's a http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1509 - LINK to a CURRENT ROCKY-RELATED POLL

NOTICE:

DUE to an APPARENT ATTEMPT at "HACKING" the NUMBERS, VOTING in THIS POLL HAS BEEN CLOSED. FEEL FREE to MAKE WHAT YOU WILL of the RESULTS SHOWN ABOVE...

THE FORUM ITSELF REMAINS OPEN, and WE ENCOURAGE YOU to CONTINUE to LEAVE FEEDBACK and RESPONSES REGARDING MISTUH STALLONE... 

WE ALSO WISH to EXTEND OUR BERRY SINCERE APOLOGIES to ALL WHO  LEGITIMATELY VOTED "YES" or "NO" in THIS POLL...

AND NOW, BACK to OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED FORUM, ALREADY in PROGRESS...

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WITH ROCKY BALBOA (aka ROCKY XVII) SET for RELEASE DECEMBER 22, THE TIME SEEMS RIPE to FINALLY GIVE YO-DUDE HIS DUE...

BUT WHAT SAY YOU??

Please feel free to express your thoughts about Sly BELOW (Like Him? Loathe Him??  Tired of Even Hearing His Name??)



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry



Replies:
Posted By: JoBloMovieGoer
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 2:57am

Someone please, STOP this man before he can make Rambo 4!

I was at a party recently where I overheard an MGM exec talking about Rocky Balboa -- saying that the studio considered it embarrassingly bad, and that that was why they moved its release up from next February to this December, to unload it before word gets out about how it totally sucks...



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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 9:40am

Okay, can ANYONE name more than TWO good movies that Stallone has ever made? Most people would defend the original 1976 Rocky (which is now 30 years ago!) and some people might step up to argue that Cop Land was okay. But other than those two, is there even ONE good title this muscle-bound Bozo has been associated with??

DIDN'T THINK SO...



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Everything SUX!


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 11:33am
Every time I watch even a moment of the original Rocky, which is all I can handle, I ask myself, "what was the Academy thinking?"  Stallone has made bad film after bad film, and no one deserves a lifer Razzie more. 

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Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 1:35pm

If you check what films ROCKY beat out as Best Picture of 1976, you'll find that among them were such certified (and WAY better) classic films as NETWORK, ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN and TAXI DRIVER. Which leaves us wondering "what was the Academy thinking" ever so much moreso...

FYI: Here's a http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/Academy_Awards_USA/1977 - LINK to the IMDb Page for the http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/Academy_Awards_USA/1977 - 1976 Oscar nominnes and winners. At least Stallone didn't win for Best Actor or Best Screenplay -- Both of those, deservedly, went to NETWORK (Peter Finch as Best Actor and Paddy Chayefsky for Best Original Screenplay)...



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 3:38pm
Why not? If the Little Gold Naked Men give out the Thalberg and Hersholt
awards, why can't the RAZZIES give out the Stallone , Zadora and/or
Madonna awards?


Posted By: Rosen
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 6:23pm

I hope the Razzie people do this, wouldn't that be amazing if he showed up to accept it?

 



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: June 23 2006 at 4:26am

Without the Sly Guy producing all those brainless, voilent, crappy movies in the 80's and 90's, the Razzies wouldn't have had half the crap we needed to keep the movie industry in line.

I say, Give him the award, and a Golden Razzie key chain as well! 



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Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: Rosen
Date Posted: June 23 2006 at 4:36am
WHAT! Who said no?! They need to be forced to watch hours and hours and hours of Stallone movies. That should change their mind...

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Here's lookin' at you, Kid.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: June 23 2006 at 10:58am
Here is an idea...instead of a gold Razzie key chain, we could all pitch in and buy him a gold Razzie watch. That way, he'd know when its time...to NOT consider making another movie!  

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Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken


Posted By: Brierfox
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 4:27pm
 I voted no, I remember I liked "Rocky", I lived in Brooklyn at the time and didn't think he talked funny.   I saw and disliked the first sequel and didn't even bother to watch the others.   I liked him in "Carter", and fell asleep during the mountain climbing movie.  He has made himself into a one-man independent movie producer, and thereon lies his problem.    No one has ever directed him, he has never had to share second billing, he has never learned how to "act".  He has instead learned how to present himself as a tough, patriotic, action hero.   If you like that style of movie, he's OK.   What I dislike are actors and actresses who claim to be "serious professionals" and yet continue to make horrid "asses" of themselves.   Kevin Costner comes to mind right away.  Lopez, Madonna, Simpson,  gee, why do these names remind us of skunks? 

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 5:12pm

Response to Brierfox:

As I have stated in this forum (as have you) I agree Rocky's 1 and 2 were the best work of his career. But name me 3 movies (or even one) that he did  from 1980 till now that have at least an average approval rating from the critics (or anybody else for that matter). If you ask me, he has gotten more deformed and mentally unbalanced over time. It seems he is just trying to regain his glory days, but instead seems to be making himself into a total clown. As you probably guessed, I voted "Yes." I just cannot see him not get a career RAZZIE. And I am pretty sure The HeadRAZZberry has already made it, and just wishes he could have given it to Sly sooner than 2007.



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 4:46am

I'm not surprised to see the vote results favoring YES over NO -- But at the time I'm writing this, the ratio is about two-to-one YES.

Maybe we'd better get started editing that Stallone Worst Career Achievement montage NOW...



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: June 30 2006 at 6:18am

Just tell is whatcha need, Head RAZZberry: 2/3rd's of us are right behind you !

I still think that a Gold Razzie Key chain would be cool. It would go so well with those suits that make him look so much smarter than he really is...



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 9:44am
Count me as one of the 50 or so saying a definite "NO!" The whole world (except for you guys) LOVES Sylvester Stallone -- Why can't you just leave him alone?!?!?

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YO: Quit Pickin' on Stallone!!


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 12:18pm

Erm...

"The whole world"?

That's a bit of an overstatement.Just a bit...

Ok... I am half Italian/half Swedish, I was raised in Italy, France and Belgium and I now reside in the UK. You have chosen to speak for the WHOLE WORLD, so may I now defend the taste of the countries I have a link to? THEY do NOT LOVE "Sly". They pretty much couldn't care less about him.

P.S. I do not dislike him personally, as I do not KNOW him (these are not personal attacks, Sly Fan#1!). I just don't really like what I have seen of him/don't care much for him/ hardly ever even remember he's still around. And I don't like to see such general statements being made. That's all.



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 12:24pm

P.P.S. And I just made myself spokesperson for 5 countries!!

 



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 06 2006 at 4:44pm

Ahem..."The whole world"?

Gertie sing with me, you know the words: "He's got the whole world IN HIS HEAD....." 



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 07 2006 at 4:44am

Looks to me like you left-winger Hollywood types have already decided you are gonna give Sly this award, so my only question is: Why bother with a poll, if the decision's been fixed in advance??

Response from Head RAZZberry: How's this for "fair" -- If ROCKY BALBOA actually does well at the box office (as I believe you yourself predict it will) we'll put off giving Sly his Worst Career Achievement RAZZIE, at least until his next turkey comes out. If it falls face first onto the canvas (as those who've seen it are already predicting it will) then we reserve the right to not only give Stallone a career award, but consider re-naming one of our categories in his dis-honor (The Sylvester Stallone Dis-Honorarial Worst Actor RAZZIE)... 



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YO: Quit Pickin' on Stallone!!


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 08 2006 at 1:27am

#1 Sly Fan: no one's decided anything yet. The opinions expressed in this forum are merely those of the people posting, hence the poll. If people feel differently about Sly, they should enter the discussion and provide intelligent arguments.

By the way, I am one of the few who voted "maybe", as I don't feel I have watched enough of Stallone's output to be able to judge him fairly.One of the few things I saw was Copland, and that was OK, but I believe the majority of his movies to be unbearable turkeys. I just haven't seen enough of them (nor do I want to!) to be able to fairly say he deserves a lifetime achievement. How much fairer than that can I get? 

 



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"Come back, Sidney... I wanna chastise you!"


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 08 2006 at 7:21am

Gertie....When you are ready for the list of Mr. Stallone's personal achievements, please let me know (I am sure the Head RAZZberry has already got the list or book compiled somewhere). Here is a sample of his work thus far!

SLY’s RAZZIE “WINS” (The Nominations are more extensive)

    Worst Actor of 1984 for RHINESTONE
    Worst Actor, Director & Screenplay of 1985 for both RAMBO II and ROCKY IV
    Worst Actor of 1988 for RAMBO III
    Worst Actor of the DECADE (For the 1980s)
    Worst Actor of 1992 for STOP! OR MY MOM WILL SHOOT!
    Worst Screen Couple of 1994 w/Sharon Stone in THE SPECIALIST
    Worst  Actor of the CENTURY for “95% of Everything He’s Ever Done”
    Worst Supporting Actor of 2003 for SPY KIDS 3-D: GAME OVER

Side Note: Special thanks to Mr. Wilson  for compiling this list on this Forum (hope he did not mind my "lifting" it).

Again, I personally have nothing against Stallone -- more or less disappointment after the 1st 2 Rocky's. But the rest of his work speaks for itself.

Note to Head RAZZberry: I want to know why "Cobra" is not on this list, that's my favorite gem!  

Response from Head RAZZberry: If you'll check out this http://www.razzies.com/asp/content/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=25 - LINK for our 1986 RAZZIE nominations, you'll see that COBRA racked up 6 nods, including Worst Picture and Sly for both Worst Actor and Worst Screenplay. But Sly was up against both Prince's UNDER THE CHERRY MOON and HOWARD THE DUCK that year (both of which tied as Worst Picture in final balloting) and had already "won" Worst Actor numerous times at that point. 1986 just wasn't his year, I guess... 



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Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:05am

Hey ITBeast.

I am aware that Stallone's "achievements¨ are widely viewed as some of the worst movies ever made. It's just that I haven't seen most of them, so I would be being biased if I voted "yes.¨ Hence my voting "maybe."

I also wanted to show #1 Sly Fan that, unlike what he thinks (sorry about my English, but I couldn't think of a better way of putting this sentence together!), we are not voting to nominate "Sly¨ on a whim:  a nomination would have nothing to do with personal antipathies, and is purely based on his movies/ performances being truly awful.

Everyone who's been subjected to the movies you have listed is more than welcome (and encouraged!) to vote "yes!"  I'll abstain for now,but just for now (give me some time to get personally acquainted with Stallone's "masterpieces¨," and then we'll talk!)   



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"Come back, Sidney... I wanna chastise you!"


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:14am

Actually, you may be right...

I was just re-reading your post, and I am not sure how these "lifetime achievement" awards thingies work: are they usually voted in or are they based on the amount of similar awards people have received in the past? If most lifetime achievement awards are assigned to mark an extraordinary amount of past awards, then, by Razzie standars, Stallone should receive a lifetime "mis-achievement" award, regardless of votes.

How do these things usually work, Head RAZZberry?



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 10:00am

Gertie,

It was never my intent for you to base your decision on just reading the list that I posted, but use it as a reference sheet in order to get acquainted on. Then from there make your own informed and unbiased decision on what you see.

Even though it is not on the list I posted for you, "Cobra" is a good example. I thought it was just out right hilarious. The script in witch (Once again meddled with by Sly) was supposedly one of the draft's for the Original Beverly Hills Cop movie when Stallone was attached to it. Thankfully, he dropped out and the role was finally given to a near unknown at the time, Eddie Murphy. Dah Sly Guy then took his draft to Canon and, since they were famous for making Cheap Crap, ended up making it

I am not speaking for the HeadRAZZberry (Whom I have a lot of respect for and is even nice enough to correct my bad Grammar), and please correct me if I am wrong but, a lifetime achievement award is usually handed out because of the achievement or contributions that an individual has made in a certain field over the span of a normal career (say 25 to 40 years). In Mr. Stallone's case, it will be the part of the industry for all the crap to down right hilarious films he has been cranking out since at least 1980.

I hope this answers some of your questions, and look forward to more of your intelligent debates in the near future!

Cobra Mini Poster

This one's for you #1 Sly Guy 



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 10:18am

P.S. here is the IMDb link for triva on "Cobra" that goes into his script meddling, as stated in my previous post.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090859/trivia - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090859/trivia



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:01am

Yo, ITbeast -- Are you actually trying to argue that BEVERLY HILLS COP is a better movie than COBRA?!?!? BH COP featured music by that gay hanger-out-in-public restrooms George Michael, so it doesn't even belong in the same universe as ANY red-blooded, macho male Stallone movie...

Response from Head RAZZberry: Here's a http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086960/soundtrack - LINK to the IMDb page for the soundtrack of the original 1984 BEVERLY HILLS COP, which lists NOTHING by George Michael. I assume you were referring to "I Want Your Sex," written and performed by Mister Michael, which actually "won" our Worst Original Song RAZZIE -- But which was featured in the 1987 sequel BEVERLY HILLS COP II.  Here's a http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092644/awards - LINK for that info...

But beyond your lack of knowledge about subjects you coose to pontificate about, I must also ask: What on Earth does Goerge Michael's BEVERLY HILLS LOO arrest record have to do with the quality of a film that happened to feature his music? Don't tell me someone calling themselves #1 Sly Fan is actually a closet...homophobe?!?!?!



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YO: Quit Pickin' on Stallone!!


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:21am

#1 Sly Fan: are you for real?

This is all starting to sound surreal...



Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:27am

Yo, #1 Sly Fan -- Since, like Stallone himself, you seem to think how much MONEY a movie makes tells its true worth, here are some sobering numbers for you, courtesy of The IMDb:

Cobra's total Box Office Gross:

       $49,042,224 (USA)
       $160,000,000 (Worldwide)

Beverly Hills Cop's total Box Office Gross:

       $234,760,500 (USA)
       $316,400,000 (Worldwide)

Looks like, as you put it in a previous post, "the whole world" thought Cobra was less than "half-as-good" a movie as BH Cop #1. When you factor in that BH COP had TWO successful sequels, and COBRA had NOT EVEN ONE, I guess we have our answer...



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Everything SUX!


Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:29am

Yo, all you Razzie twinkies: I'm NOT a homophobe -- I just hate fags!

Response from Head RAZZberry: To quote another RAZZIE Repeat Offender, Keanu Reeves: "WOAH!"

I'd say #1 Sly Fan has overstepped a boundary or two here, and wandered off into Offensive Territory. What say you, Fellow Forum Posters: Should this hate-mongering post be DELETED, or should we let it stand as an example of the intolerance of Sly fans everywhere???



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YO: Quit Pickin' on Stallone!!


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:37am

OK.

That doesn't really answer my question, but it's reinforcing my belief that you may just be kidding...



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 12:53pm

He is very amusing, if not entertaining, most of the time. For right now I say we keep him on. If he is the best that the Stallone Fan Base has, it just re-enforces my vote that I originally cast in this discussion & poll: A resounding YES!



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 3:49pm
Head Razz:

When you're ready to hand out Stallone's achievement award, show the
clip of "Drinkenstein" and have everyone sing along!


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 09 2006 at 5:21pm

Question For The HeadRAZZBerry-- How was the Sly Guy able to escape the wrath of the RAZZIES from 1980 to 1983? I am just curious, since that was when he started putting out the crap.

I do agree with JoeBacon however, "Drinkenstein" would be a great number before he received his "Career Achievement" award, and then play "Peace in Our Life" from Rambo II after he receives it.

Response from Head RAZZberry: When I looked up his Awards history on http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000230/awards - The IMDb , I was surprised to find that Stallone was not a Worst Director nominee for STAYIN' ALIVE. I think he was listed on our Nominating Ballot and, for some reason, didn't make the final five. On the subject of his early crappy movies, one of my all-time favorite Stallone experiences was seeing Sly as the mush-mouthed, mob-influenced union boss in the 1978/Pre-RAZZIE epic F.I.S.T. His dialogue was so hard to understand that in one scene, where he was actually speaking Polish, it was obvious the audience thought he was still speaking English, but with even worse diction than usual!



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 2:49am

Since it's obvious from your responses to my posts that I am never going to be listened to, understood or appreciated by anyone on this Forum, guess I'll go away for now. But I'll keep an eye on what you guys are up to around award time, and if you act as stupid then as you are being right now about Stallone, you may hear from me again...

P.S. What's wrong with "Drinkenstein"??  I own the soundtrack to "Rhinestone," and that song is funny! If you can't enjoy it, you people must not be big beer drinkers. Besides, I'm pretty sure that when he sang it, Sly meant to suck, so even by your standards, he oughta be cut some slack...



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YO: Quit Pickin' on Stallone!!


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 3:42am
???

#1 Sly Fan, of course we are listening, and that is why we are posting
replies. The problem here is that you seem to confuse "listening" with
"agreeing to everything and anything" you say. This is a FORUM, in case
you hadn't noticed, a place for people to discuss things. It also happens
to be the forum of the Razzie Awards, so it's very likely that the majority
of people you'll find on here will tend NOT to be great fans of Stallone. If
you want to be somewhere where the majority of people are more likely
to agree with you, visit a Stallone forum. You DID choose to come here
instead, and then you whine when people are not automatically agreeing
with you. What did you expect, exactly? I don't get it...


Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 3:49am
Originally posted by #1 Sly Fan

you may hear from me again...


"I'll be back!"

(cue horror music)


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 4:55am

Reply to #1 Sly Fan:

Please feel free to come back anytime (just as long as you play nicely of course!), so we can correct your inscrutable facts about your infallible Idol. Just to show that we (or at least me) harbor no hard feelings, I found the DVD cover art to go with your Soundtrack to "Rhinestone".

P.S. What wasn't wrong with Drinkenstein? I must agree with you however, that Sly by the end of making this movie probably figured since he blew Grade "A" Cheese through 95% percent of the movie already, he might as well make the grand ending fit the tone of the picture as well!

The thing that completely amazes me that there is a copy of the "Rhinestone" Soundtrack in existence.

Response from Head RAZZberry:  Here's a http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=2393 - LINK to "Soundtrack Collector" to not only prove that a soundtrack to http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=2393 - RHINESTONE does exist, but it's actually been re-issued on CD. I have to the old 33 1/3  rpm LP somewhere in my garage, but cannot justify bothering to replace it with a CD.  Even I don't wish to listen to "Drinkenstein" that much!

As for #1 Sly Fan maybe abandoning our Forum, his Postings will actually be missed. I almost alwaze found them amusing -- Even if they weren't intended to be!



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 5:56am

#1 Sly Fan is abandoning his post as sole spokesperson for The Sylvester Stallone Fan Club??  John Rambo would never walk out on a losing fight -- And neither would Rocky Balboa.

But seriously, folks. I'll miss him, too...

If he's dead set on signing off, though, how about we all sing a chorus of "Drinkenstein" in his honor, and hoist a Budweiser or two in farewell??



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Everything SUX!


Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 6:01am

I wasn't looking for you all to agree with me in lockstep -- Just to get you to see that there's another point of view about Stallone. He is, after all, one of the biggest worldwide box office stars of the last 30 years...

See you at opening night for "Rocky Balboa" ???



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YO: Quit Pickin' on Stallone!!


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 6:35am

Anyways, it looks like you were right HeadRAZZ. I followed that link you posted and not only does it exist but 10 people actually own it!! - - What is more amazing is 4 people are on a waiting list to own it!!

This should make #1 Sly Fan happy; he is not as alone as we originally thought he was.



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 6:47am

REPLY TO #1 Sly Fan:

You're B-A-A-C-CK-K (OK folks, I know this sounds like a line from a RAZZIE-nominated sequel, but I could not help myself)!! We missed you so much in your long absence!

I will hold off seeing "Rocky Balboa" opening night so I can save myself the $10 bucks. I will then see it the following week at the mark down theater for $2. This way, I can afford Soda and Popcorn with the $8 bucks I saved on my ticket!



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 7:40am

TO #1 Sly Fan:

Since, as another Forum member stated, you seem to base your faith in your Infallible Icon's success purely on the Monetary value of his movies (making him, as you yourself stated "One of the biggest worldwide box office stars of the last 30 years") here is a sobering statistic...

According to the http://www.the-numbers.com/people/records/index.html - "Numbers" website the Italian Stallion is only "#62" on the list of 100 for Lifetime Monetary Success of movies they participated in (the last 30 years as well and beyond). Even if you add the rest of the planet, it's not going to help his rank too much.

SPECIAL NOTE: RAZZIE Favorite Keanu Reeves was #61.

Hopefully, this will lower your certainty of The Yo Dude his supposed "World Wide Success"

Response from Head RAZZberry: I used your link, and I'm not so sure how relaible that chart is. It doesn't seem to distinguish how important a role the actors played in any film, just that they were listed in the credits. Their #1 ranked "actor" is someone named Frank Welker, apparently a voice over artist for animated films, with whose work even I can't claim to be familiar...



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 2:21pm

Response to HeadRAZZBerry:

The part you are looking at does not judge a actor or actresses by popularity, it just shows the statistics of the individual person no matter how small the role or well known the actor/actress is,This also includes voice overs as well. But, If you do look there are some very notable actors and actresses way ahead of Mr. Stallone in the U.S. Box Office and I am sure the World Wide one as well.

My point as stated in the original post to #1 Sly guy is that if he is measuring his Idol only by the money the films that he participates in makes; That Sly is only in the mid to mid lower range of Box Office Success.

I have been using the  http://www.the-numbers.com/index.php - Numbers site since 2002. I have found them to be a good source of information and statics for a variety of queries. Over time I have found other sites that usually agree with The Numbers and sometimes they differ in different aspects.

Anyways, If you remove Mr. Welker out of equation; The Sly guy is still light years behind allot of the Hollywood elite!



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 2:38pm

They hardly ever show Stallone movies on TV, over here, but guess what? Judge Dredd is on tonight. I'll try to catch it if I can (and if I can take it!)...

See, ITBeast? You'll make an educated lady out of me yet!



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 3:13pm

Judge Dredd was better than some of his other classics. What helped him here was that he had a semi-decent supporting http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113492/ - cast (with the exception of Deuce Bigalow / Rob Schneider). Main thing that killed this film was (I can hear #1 Sly Guy already burning up his keyboard) the person portraying the title character in the movie (surprise!).

Gertie, as far as I am concerned, you are well on your way to becoming our http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085478/ - Educating Rita .

 



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:32am

Good grief!!

Just seen the movie...

Who gave Stallone elocution lessons? Sounds like he learnt his diction from Tor Johnson, at the school of B Movie-trailers voiceovers!

To think I had never heard him undubbed! That explains a LOT...



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 4:14pm

It is like the old saying:"You can be told about something really, really awful, but until you have actually EXPERIENCED first hand that kind of trauma, only then will you TRULY know how that experience feels".

Now if your up for your next level of the "Sly Experience"; try finding a copy of "RHINESTONE" undubbed (I know, it may make you crawl out of your skin, but it would not be the same with someone else speaking the lines) and talk to me afterwords (See previous posts above for more information).



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:49pm

That shouldn't be a problem. I used to live in non-English-speaking countries, hence the difficulty in finding undubbed versions of movies(and my luck in hearing certain actors dubbed by more capable thespians!). But I have now been living over here for quite a few years, and I am also blessed/cursed with an Internet connection and easy access to Amazon Marketplace.

The question is...do I WANT to do this? 



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 4:40am

Gertie, follow this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00076ONTG/qid=1152808303/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1678099-3536640?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 - LINK  and you get a copy on DVD or VHS from anywhere from $2.26 to $8.99 at Amazon. I would wait to buy it with something else so you can have it shipped free (Delivery would be the same or more that a used $2.26 copy, and trust me it is not that DIRE that you have a copy that badly, besides it will be worth the wait).

SPECIAL NOTE: If you are in the market to buying the http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0009TSLJ4/sr=8-3/qid=1152808756/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-1678099-3536640?ie=UTF8 - movie soundtrack  for "Rhinestone" there is a seller who will sell you their copy of the Stallone's greatest hits (Only 3 minor cosmetic scratches) and hopefully his last for the low price of $497.50. I kid you not!!

Response from Head RAZZberry: Save yourself the $497.50 -- Here's a http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/15754 - LINK to HEAR Stallone sing "Drinkenstein" (1984 RAZZIE "winner" for Worst Original Song) on the net. NOTE: Once you get to the site (which will have a Blue Background and Yellow Lettering) scroll down on the RIGHT Side looking for a "Start Time" of 1:30:51. Once it starts playing, you'll have to listen to about 11 seconds of an out-going song, then BRACE YOURSELF! A Lightning Crash and Stallone's version of a Rebel Yell lead into http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/15754 - "Drinkenstein" ...

We think you'll agree, it's one of the SCARIEST VOCAL PERFORMANCES ever committed!!



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 6:53am

Gee, I take a couple of weeks off to go on vacation and what happens? Sly's entire fan club crawls out into the spotlight. If I may be permitted to catch up on a couple of points...

1.Along the way, the posters on this board were lumped together as left wing Hollywood types. Actually, I'm from Colorado, although I spent a couple of years of my life in Pasadena, and a couple more in Mountain View. The left wing thing I wear proudly.

2. The claim was made that Sly has fans worldwide. True. Then again, the biggest sport worldwide is soccer and it sucks. Two billion people worldwide may have watched the World Cup final, which either proves that we Americans are missing something, or that two billion people worldwide have really awful taste in sports.

Before we are too quick to side with the majority on that one, I saw a CNN poll the other day that indicated that something like 80% of the respondents either didn't believe in Global Warming, or didn't regard it as a serious problem. That is why we don't do science by popular opinion, and why science works so much better than any other human activity yet invented, e.g. politics or religion.

The point of this rambling? I actually have no idea how popular Sylvester Stallone is worldwide. I wouldn't presume to speak for the rest of humanity. But I don't think its all that difficult to watch a Stallone movie and realize that almost all of them are crap. I have no real problem with people willing to accept and even relish second rate crap in their lives, I just wish they wouldn't force the rest of us to endure George Bush for 8 years.

For some reason, I'm reminded of the quotation on democracy by the famous physcist, Leo Szilard: “I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.”



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 7:46am

Saturnwatcher: I worship at your altar! It is a rare thing, these days, to meet posters who are as strangely articulate/seemingly intelligent as you, so welcome back!

 

ITbeast: You didn't actually think I was going to buy a new copy of "Rhinestone" at Amazon prices? No, no, no! Amazon Marketplace: the second-hand branch of Amazon UK...

I would rent it, if I could, but there is no such thing as Netflix, over here, and even the copycat companies that are starting to sprout up here are still too expensive for my liking...



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 8:02am

ITbeast: Sorry, I only just saw your soundtrack comment. I don't know how rare the original/vinyl Rhinestone soundtrack is, but there are people (like me!) who enjoy and collect these things as pieces of Incredibly Strange Music/ Outsider Music/ Bad Celebrities Music, etc. So a high price does not necessarily reflect Stallone's (nor the movie's) popularity, or show bad taste in the buyers (although it does sound like the seller might be a few hundreds off/ridiculously deluded about the price of rarities)... 

Now... who wants to hear Anthony Hopkins' pop song?



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 11:10am

Saturnwatcher: Glad to see you back as well; You missed all the fun with the Sly Guys #1 Fan, glad you were able to catch up on the postings.

Gertie: NEVER would I even dream that you buy such a monument of travesty new, was just giving you the Range if you wanted to indulge your self a little on a used copy.

Head RAZZ says he has a copy of the Vinyl of "Rhinestone" in his Garage somewhere; After looking at the one seller maybe he can hold out and sell to one of the Sly Guys pumped up followers (#1 Sly Fan seems to already have the gem in his collection) for a little extra movie money.



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 1:16pm

ITbeast: What are you doing to me? What are you turning me into?

I tried to resist...but my fingers pushed the mouse button down...and I clicked...on "buy"...

HELP. I have a problem...



Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 4:15pm

Gertie:I am just trying to release the inner you who yearns to appreciate the fine arts of truly Bad Cinema; and what better way to learn than by studying the works of Hollywood's foremost star today of truly horrific movies, The Sly Guy himself!! I hope the price of it was not too bad, and you did get a USED copy!

On another note: If you would like a good read on the worst that Hollywood has to offer, see if you can find a copy of Mr. John Wilson's (The Head RAZZ Himself) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0446693340/202-8211390-3675827?v=glance&n=266239&v=glance - The Official Razzie Movie Guide   , You can pick up a used copy for under 5 pounds at Amazon Market Place UK. I got a free copy with my RAZZIE membership. It lists 100 of Hollywood's all time worst (including PRE-RAZZIE movies before 1981). I just got done reading it. Some of the highlights are, of course, 2 of Stallone's ("Rhinestone" and "Rambo: First Blood Part II") and my Absolute Favorite, Wilson's entry on "Exorcist II: The Heretic" !!



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 14 2006 at 5:44am

ITbeast: You are preaching to the converted, my friend! I indeed already own my very own copy of http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446693340/qid=1152912190/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6893328-8509748?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 - Official Razzie Movie Guide . I did not merely chance upon this forum...

I also purchased a used copy of Rhinestone for a very reasonable price, but have a feeling it'll be as good as new (as in hardly used)...



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 14 2006 at 5:59am

Gertie: Well, as one of our American President's once said: "Bully For You!"

Let us know when you have received and have been able to "soak in" the experience. 



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Posted By: loor.vic
Date Posted: July 17 2006 at 3:21pm
I suggest the creation of the SYLVESTER STALLONE AWARD to the WORST LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT, Stallone must be the first to receive it.


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 17 2006 at 4:01pm

You're a day late and about $1,000 Pesos short; I am pretty sure the Head RAZZ has already created the award, written the speech, and created a new category for the one and only Sly Guy in his dis-honor.

My only question is will the Head RAZZ be able to restrain himself until the 27th Annual RAZZIE awards next year to dis-honor him?  Stay tuned! 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Although it is indeed Berry Likely that we WILL give Stallone a Worst Career Award at next Spring's 27th Annual RAZZIES (especially if ROCKY BALBOA sucks as badly as industry word-of-mouth sez it does) it's not actually a done deal yet. If you recall, earlier this year our All-Time Female Champion Madonna announced that she was " http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=685&PN=1&TPN=1 - retiring from the screen ," thus making her also eligible for the career dis-honor. Maybe we'll put it to a vote by the Membership?!?!?



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 5:58am

Response To Head RAZZberry: As far as Madonna " http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=685&PN=1&TPN=1 - retiring from the screen ," it's almost like saying Stallone will never make another "Rocky" or "Rambo" movie (Don't worry #1 Sly Fan both are unfortunately on their way).

After not seeing him for almost 3 year after Spy Kids 3, I thought maybe we'd seen the last of him, Then, like a Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street sequel, he comes from out of nowhere to make us laugh harder than the time before, when we were supposed to be scared (or in Stallone's case "Impressed").

I do agree that we should put it to a vote by the membership. The former "Material Girl" has been turning out (or Churning out, both work) crud for almost as long as the Sly Guy. I wouldn't however, count the Material Mom out just yet!



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Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 6:15am

Just briefly checking back in...

So you expect me to believe that a Career Razzie for Sly isn't a done deal? And that Madonna's in the running, too? Guess you all know which one of them I'd vote for, if only because in Madonna's case, she herself says she won't make any more movies. I don't claim to be a film critic, but I honestly don't think Madonna has made even three good movies, whereas Stallone, in my opinion, has made nothing but...



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 8:28am
There's hope for you yet #1 Sly Fan.....

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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 10:30am

I'm really, really sorry, but I just couldn't help it:

Originally posted by ITbeast

As far as Madonna " http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=685&PN=1&TPN=1 - retiring from the screen ," it's almost like saying Stallone will never make another "Rocky" or "Rambo" movie

...or that #1 Sly Fan won't be back!



Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 1:00pm

Channel 5(the worst UK terrestrial TV channel), has done it again: they are showing "Over The Top" this Sunday afternoon! That's TWO Stallone movies in, what, two weeks? It's almost as if someone, somewhere wanted to help me make my mind up on "Sly"! I usually go out, on Sunday afternoons, but do you reckon OTT is worth missing my weekly cycling outing for?

ITbeast, as my educator on all things Stallone, I am mainly looking at you for advice/instructions...

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 1:00pm

I remember way back when Madonna first broke into the music biz. It was about the same time that Cyndi Lauper came along, and i'd have been willing to bet that Lauper would have become the more famous of the two. She had a kind of avante-garde cutsey thing going, and she tied herself in with professional wrestling at a time when it was soaring.

Little did I realize that when it came to self-promotion via self-degradation, Lauper couldn't hold a  candle to Madonna.

However, just to blast away one point #1 Sly Fan attempted, Madonna DID appear in A League of Their Own, had a pretty signficant role, and was pretty good in it. It was an outstanding movie. So on the overall good movie score card, its Madonna 1 Sly 0. If we compare BAD movies, its apt to be close, but having made one good movie gives my vote to Sly if the vote is presented to us in the coming months.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 1:26pm

Response to Saturnwatcher: Cyndi never went "Over the Top" (no insinuation intended to the Sly classic of the same name) like Madonna did, and because of that I respected her more as an artist.

But even Madonna has their 1 "Rocky"; Just as Stallone pretty much played himself in that film, Madonna did the same for A League of Their Own.

If we break it down to overall who has produce the most crap in 25 years, hands down the Sly Guy is going to get my vote. However, if it is broken down by category of Male and Female then I will vote accordingly.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 1:49pm

Response to Gertie "I wanna chastise you" the duck: If you truly want to learn the emotional depth of the Sly Guy trying to come off as a sensitive human being (and try so hard not to laugh  that you're doing everything in your power to stop) PLEASE by all means stay and indulge yourself! You may get a better workout from that than Cycling ( I doubt it, but it will be pretty damn close)!

I would recommend, if at all possible, to either cycle before or after Over The Top, as it is truly is an experience not to bemissed (Only if you want to know more of Stallone's rich Razzie History). If not, skip it)!

Fun Note: Over the Top only earned about $4 mi;;ion more than Stallone was paid to be in it (Total Gross $16,057,580), and is but one of the reasons Cannon Films eventually went out of business.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 8:46am

Another Fun Fact Note about "Over The Top":

This film received 3 http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=337&PN=2 - Razzie nominations in 1987; 2 of them went to Sly's 15 year old co-star David Mendenhall (who "won" both Worst Supporting Actor and Worst New Star for 1987). The Sly Guy got one Razzie nomination for (what else?) Wort Actor; However he lost out to (of all people) Dr. Huxtable, Bill Cosby for his work in LEONARD: PART 6.

Since I have not seen LEONARD personally (and from what I read on the http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1987/0LP6.html - numbers , not to many people did) I will reserve judgment on the voting for that year. But it is hard to believe that Bill "Jello Gelatin" Cosby beat out Sylvester "Yo Man" Stallone. 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Here is another interesting "number" regarding http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093405/ - LEONARD: PART 6   -- As of this Posting, it was ranked #19 on The IMDb's http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom - Bottom 100 List  of the worst movies ever made. So, obviously, we were not alone in naming it 1987's Berry Worst...



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 6:49pm

ROCKY BALBOA UPDATE: Just got done looking at the production budget for the Sly Guy's next chapter of http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/RCKY6.php - Rocky EM2 Squared ; MGM gave him just $24 million to make this travesty of a sequel. So with another say....$25 to $35 million in prints and advertising, it is looking like a total  cost anywhere from $50 to $60 million in production damages.

The bad news is that, even if this movie ends up with the worst reviews of the year (BI-2, Benchwarmers, and Little Man Combined) it has a good chance of actually turning a buck for the Yo Man!

I bet Stallone practically made this picture for free, since that was the only way that M-G-M was going to give him the capitol to make it. Heck, M-G-M is still licking its gushing wounds over BI-2!

#1 Sly Fan may actually get his wish somehow, and delay the inevitable on the Worst Career Achievement Razzie, unless "Rocky Balboa" performs like his most recent attempts at a comeback,  http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2000/GTCTR.html - Get Carter and http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2001/DRIVN.html - Driven  !

PRAY MY BROTHERS!!! PRAY!!!



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 6:54pm
....Almost Forgot...AND SISTERS TOO (Sorry Gertie, almost forgot about you)!!!

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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 4:39am

I have no words:

I have seen OTT (Over the Top)...

I don't believe I will be able to speak again for at least a few hours.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 7:25am
If you really want some punishment wait until you get your copy of Rhinestone...You will both laugh and cry while watching that!

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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 10:07am
Then...would you say Rhinestone is WORSE than OTT?

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 2:49pm
Probably would not say any worse....Just a whole lot funnier; Remember you have the aspect of the Yo Man trying to sing Country Music!?!?!  Picture that in your mind!

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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 9:58pm

Thanks a lot, ITbeast: my mind is now hurting!

Yet...I also feel strangely excited at the prospect of seeing Rhinestone. I definitely have a masochistic streak!

I am starting to form a theory that Sly is the acting equivalent of some Outsider musicians/artists. Unlike a lot of cynically talentless actors, he seems completely oblivious to his own shortcomings.
I mean...watching OTT I couldn't help thinking about the people involved in the making of the movie, and what must have gone through their minds. I am sure that a lot of them were conscious of the absurdity of the whole endeavor, but decided it was worthwhile, for whatever reason (they probably believed that that was the kind of movie the audience wanted/ took the position that audiences are stupid and deserve/demand stupid movies).

And in the middle of this laughter-fest stands Stallone, earnest and proud!
   



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 10:00am

No problem Gertie; As I stated to you many posts ago, I just wanted to make sure that you got the material needed so you could form your own "unbiased" opinion of The Great White Hopeless.

My own personal theory is that Stallone was at the right place, at the right time, with a script (Witch is hard to believe to this day) that he wrote that was more or less (probably more) about himself. He was thus able to achieve the stardom he so desperately wanted, and has been trying to recapture it ever since. But the thing is, how can you tackle another acting job when you can only play yourself? I could go on and on in more depth, but I basically think you get the picture!

As far as the people that help him make OTT, I am pretty damn sure the crew of the movie were AWARE of the absurdity that they were helping to create, but you really can't blame them too much. I am sure it was just a job for them, and all they were worried about was getting a pay check.

The look of "I would rather be anywhere else than here" that all 3 people in the background have, along with the stupid wave/grin that Sly is giving in the photo, is why I choose it. It best describes how oblivious he is to his acting-challenged talents...while the rest of the world is all to aware!?!?  

 



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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 10:15am

ITbeast: I have just watched the first half-hour or so of Rhinestone...won't be able to watch the rest till tomorrow, but so far your description has been eerily acurate: as "Sly" broke into his rendition of Tutti Frutti, I broke into incontrollable laughter. It was't just hilarity, either: I was laughing out of acute embarassement. MY GOD.

So far, though, I am finding Rhinestone AMAZING.

My eyes have been opened. I feel like a newly enlightened being. A whole new world of possibilities has been opened up to me!!!

Thank you.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 6:24pm
Your Welcome Gertie-San; you have been a most adept pupil  , may you continue to broaden your knowledge and know the true meaning of absolute motion picture insanity from the most challenged of actors, the master himself, Sylvester (The Tweety Bird) Stallone.

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Posted By: gertie the duck
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 6:12am

I have had a revelation!!!!

Since my education on all things "Sly" started, I had been trying to figure out who Stallone reminded me of and now, finally, I have realised who that was:

It is highly unlikely that anybody on this forum will be familiar with the British comedy series " http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0184135/ - The League of Gentlemen "(not to be confused with the movie of the same name), although some of you might be. If not, and you like really dark/grotesque/surreal British humour, I highly, highly (HIGHLY!!!) recommend it.

Anyway...if you ever saw series two/three of the show(if not, once again, I recommend it!! --I think it's dangerously close to being my favourite TV show EVER and I'd have no qualms in calling it one of the best comedy shows ever made ), you will know what I mean when I mention Pamela Doove, the aspiring actress...

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 12:20pm
Did  anyone else notice that the 3 men in the background of the photo posted aove all have the same kind of  "what the Hell are we doing here?" looks on their faces?

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 2:28am

I just had an idea for M. Night Shyamalan's follow up to "Lady in the Water"...

It'd be called "Dead in the Water without a Clue".... starring Sylvester Stallone!!!

 



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 2:33am

Here's a sneak peek at a teaser poster for "Rock Balboa"....



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 2:14am
Originally posted by ITbeast

The look of "I would rather be anywhere else than here" that all 3 people in the background have, along with the stupid wave/grin that Sly is giving in the photo, is why I choose it.

Excellent choice on the "waving Sly" photo!



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 2:59pm
Damn, RAZZ, you really edited the crap out of my last Posting...Oh Well. you gotta admit, the teaser poster is pretty damn good!!

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Posted By: ArtGirl138
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 4:10pm

Oh, God...as if the news of "Rocky Balboa" wasn't bad enough...

Is this guy TRYING to win another RAZZIE

(hopefully, you can read the print)

Just one question...HOW THE HELL IS SLY STALLONE STILL FINDING WORK?!

 



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 2:57am

I can appreciate that everyone is entitled to their own opinions (and I am sure many of you would argue it to be fact), but I love Stallone and many of his movies!  I didn't care for the last Rocky movie very much but am looking forward to the one coming out in December.  And whether I am in the majority or not, I will be in the theater as soon as it opens.  Just wanted to show that others feel differently... Go Rocky!  go Sly!



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 3:32am
Originally posted by ITbeast

Now if your up for your next level of the "Sly Experience"; try finding a copy of "RHINESTONE" undubbed (I know, it may make you crawl out of your skin, but it would not be the same with someone else speaking the lines) and talk to me afterwords (See previous posts above for more information).

 

I know that I am in the minority on this one (even Stallone didn't care for it), but I loved Rhinestone... I loved that he sang (or tried to) I love that is was different from what everyone was used to for him.  I didn't care for Drinkenstein, but I did enjoy the other songs that he sang with Dolly Parton.  I thought it was hilarious!



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 3:43am
Originally posted by ITbeast

ROCKY BALBOA UPDATE:

The bad news is that, even if this movie ends up with the worst reviews of the year (BI-2, Benchwarmers, and Little Man Combined) it has a good chance of actually turning a buck for the Yo Man!

Well, even if all this is true, how many actors do you know that would work for free for something they believe in... and if (when) Rocky Balboa makes money, how many other movies these days do you know of that would be any good on a budget that low... there is so many special effects and such anymore... Rocky is doing it "old school" and I will do my part to make it a success.

 



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 4:50am

Response to fan of 30 years:

First off, I would like welcome you to this forum. Second, it is nice to know that the Stallone Fan Base actually has some intelligent and reasonable members that can post well thought out commentaries. Not that I don't like hearing from #1 Sly Fan (Yo #1 Sly); his commentaries usually brings tears to my eyes (from laughing so hard while reading them).

Anyways, In response to your last post: My gut feeling is that Stallone did not just make this next Rocky movie or Basically work for free because it was "something that he believed in", I think more than likely Mr. Stallone's well of ideas was running pretty dry (Along with any Job Offers) and knew the only hope of maybe reviving his already dead career was blowing off the dust on his "Rocky" franchise and soon to be "Rambo" Franchise in hopes of if he does not asking his usual salary demands and just a percentage of the profits (anyways, he hopes he will see some profit) from at least "Rocky Balboa" (have not heard on "Rambo IV" yet), that he may actually get in the green.

A movie with "Stallone" as the star has not made a profit since maybe http://www.the-numbers.com/people/SSTAL.html - "Daylight"  (I do not count ANTZ or Spy Kids 3 because I am 99% sure that the majority of the people that saw those 2 movies did not go to see Mr. Stallone.) So in conclusion I do hope that you and the rest of the Stallone Fan Base goes see his next movie (As historically proves in the last 10 years they haven't) because if this next Rocky Bombs (Like we are predicting it will in this forum) I do not see any studio willing to give Stallone anymore money if that does happen.

You may also want to check out this http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1191&PN=1 - link  that will take you to another part of the forum that has a link to the trailer and a review of Rocky Balboa.



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 5:40am

Thanks for the welcome.  I decided to post here because I did want to show a different side of Stallone's fan base, as much as I agree with #1 Sly fan, I think that there are better ways to express my "OPINION". 

 I, and all Sly fans that aren't in denial, are aware of the box office 'flops' that he has made.  And though they weren't monetarily profitable, many of them (NOT ALL) brought something of value to the viewership that had the uniqueness to appreciate the good parts and look past the others.  Like Rhinestone... yes, it was silly, even ridiculous a lot of times, but it was great (again, an OPINION) to see him get away from the 'tough' ''bada@@" formula and just cut up....

Rocky Balboa's '6th' coming will be (for me) inspirational, and, from the "positive" online buzz in other forums, heart touching.  If the world doesn't like it, then it may very well be the end of Stallone's career.  It isn't like he doesn't have money coming in, so I am not really worried about him ending up on living under a bridge.  But I believe those that were "truly" inspired by the first one or two will get the same buzz from this one and in the end, Rocky really is all about heart.  I hope that the movie is successful and I hope it brings a tear to my eye (not like some of you are thinking!   But like it did 30 years ago.  I have seen many great movies since this one, but none that affected me this much...  I guess we will see come December!



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 5:58am
Originally posted by ITbeast

Response to fan of 30 years:

...Anyways, In response to your last post: My gut feeling is that Stallone did not just make this next Rocky movie or Basically work for free because it was "something that he believed in", I think more than likely Mr. Stallone's well of ideas was running pretty dry (Along with any Job Offers) and knew the only hope of maybe reviving his already dead career was blowing off the dust on his "Rocky" franchise and soon to be "Rambo" Franchise in hopes of if he does not asking his usual salary demands and just a percentage of the profits (anyways, he hopes he will see some profit) from at least "Rocky Balboa" (have not heard on "Rambo IV" yet), that he may actually get in the green...

 

Just one more rebuttal to the above partial quote...

Are you saying he didn't work for something he believes in but to make "green"?  Yet, he worked for free... BELIEVING that this movie would make a profit?  I don't begrudge ANYONE making "green" for something that people are voluntarily paying to see (or whatever the case may be).  He believes in this character and in an interview (can't remember where) he said that he didn't like how #5 came out, and that is why he is doing this one.  Since he did it for free (someone else's quote not mine, cause I am not sure if he did or not) then he is doing it because he BELIEVES in this project (meaning of course that people will want to see it and will pay to do so), there isn't anything wrong with that...Sort of the point of agreeing to work for free (in the movie business) I think.



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:28am

Here is where I have a huge, huge problem with the kind of "inspirational" message movies like Rocky send:

1. Perhaps on some level, they can inspire people to dig a little deeper and pursue an objective, but realistically, a guy like Rocky Balboa would have had a much better chance of lifting himself up by the bootstraps by taking a few night courses and signing up for a library card than by  hopping into the boxing ring with a well conditioned professional athlete that would have knocked him out inside of 30 seconds. It might not have made for as exciting of a movie, but it could have been just as inspirational, and much more original. And the notion that a 60 year-old guy could recapture that kind of capability is beyond absurd.

2. Our society has become obsessed with the very dubious notion that sports is a vehicle for  young people in difficult circumstances to rise above the obstacles and limitations imposed by the enviroment imposed upon them. The realities are on the bleak side of dismal:

*Only 3.1% of high school basketball players ever play at the NCAA level. Of those 1.3% will be drafted into the NBA...0.03% of the original group of high school players.

*5.8% of high school football players go on to play in college, of which 2% are drafted by the pros....0.09% of the original group

* 5.6% of high school baseball players make it to college teams. 10.5% of those play professionally....0.5% of the original group

*12.9% of high school hockey players play in college, 4.1% are drafted by the pros....0.4% of the high school players.

What happens to all those high school and college sports heros that are left by the wayside? Some find success in other fields. Most never benefit much from scholarships and never graduate with a degree. They end up in minimum wage jobs or worse, ill prepared for the day when the cheering stops. Don't get me wrong here, I love sports. But for the vast majority of people in our society, young or aging, the dream of being a professional sports star is a fool's pursuit.

3. Stallone is a phony. For all the macho blathering he has nurtured via his movie roles, this guy wimped on an offer to do a USO show in Iraq. There are a lot of multi-talented people out there who never catch lightening in a bottle. Stallone got lucky, then rebottled and resold us the same junk over  a dozen times. In the rare instances where he stepped outside of his carefully constructed public image, he only demonstrated how limited his talents really are.



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:36am
Originally posted by HeadRAZZBerry

NOTICE: THE ABOVE POLL RESULTS ARE NO LONGER ACCURATE, and NOW REFLECT THE OPINION of SOME HACKER with NO LIFE, WHO VOTED "NO" OVER 200 TIMES. THE LAST ACCURATE NUMBERS WE HAD (ABOUT 9pm/PST on 8/1/06) SHOWED ABOUT 63% VOTING "YES" and ABOUT 35% VOTING "NO"...

BUT WHAT SAY YOU??

Please feel free to express your thoughts about Sly BELOW (Like Him? Loathe Him??  Tired of Even Hearing His Name??)

 

This was not the work of a hacker... I meerly let some other fans know so they could vote....

I realize this is all fun and games, but REALLY, do you have to be a spoil sport about it?  Whether you like him or not, SLY does have fans you know!  Or Did you only want people who agreed with you here...



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Posted By: boby
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:40am
How do you vote....New Member


Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:44am
Saturnwatcher, again, I appreciate that others have differing opinions... We will just have to agree to disagree.  Just one thought, his "macho blathering" is ACTING... He never professed to be a bada@@ green beret nor a boxer.  Even his tie in to THE CONTENDER had him there for inspiration and to draw FANS...

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Posted By: boby
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:47am
Stallone is a awesome actor. Better than that of Tom Cruise, Russel Crowe, Al Pacino, Johnny Depp, and possibly better than De Niro (Just to name a few)....and 2...Rocky Balboa will be a success..only lame brain idiot bums like yourselves, wont be able to understand the Rocky story. This isnt about Sly not being able to do anything else in his carrer, its about passion. Rocky is a creation, and the last movie didnt do al well as expected, so what. Hes ENDING it the way it should of ended. Star Wars had 6 movies, James Bond already had 20 movies, whats the deal about Rocky/Sly that yall dislike so much? Obviously it isnt about a sequal that yall make fun of so much.


Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:49am

Originally posted by boby

How do you vote....New Member

At the top of the thread is a poll to vote, but it is closed right now because Sly fans just became aware of it and are voicing their opinion. Apparently the HEAD RAZZ was concerned about the results possibly having been "hacked".....



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:51am

Response to fan of 30 years:

This is in response for your last 2 postings:

I am very glad that you did chose this particular thread to post because like I stated earlier, you showed that Stallone Fan Base actually has some intelligent and reasonable members that could post well thought out commentaries. I am also glad that you cleared at least one myth of the Stallone Fan Base I was living under (Thanks to #1 Sly Fan) that all Stallone fans were living in denial.

I wish I could see "Rhinestone" in the same light that you do but unfortunately every time I go to watch it I completely loose it (laughing with hysterics) when Sly does his re-edition of "Tutti Fruity".

On "Rocky Balboa": I honestly think that after reading some of the early http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479143/board/thread/48248190 - feedback  that Stallone has created a product that was meant only to appease his fan base and not of the movie going public. If he was truly the artistic and visionary that you are claiming he is Stallone would make a movie that was fresh, original, and imaginative. Not recycle basically the same thing over and over again like his "Rocky" and "Rambo" franchises along basically playing the same type of character in all his other movies using the same Rocky Balboa/John Rambo mold (Except maybe Spy Kids 3, it actually looked like he was on some really heavy Chemical refreshment while filming that).

I do agree with you on 5 however, Nobody liked how that mess turned out (Not even the Fan Base). But I completely disagree as that being a reason why he is making "Rocky Balboa". As far as Sly doing "Rocky Balboa" for free, when you only are working with $24 million to make a movie in todays Hollywood with a Director/Writer/Actor that usually gets (As of at least 4 years ago) $20 million a picture, he has to be close to making it for free because that would only leave $4 million to make the movie which would not even get Rocky Balboa these days being able to make it up those "famous steps" of "I'm gonna fly!".

I am not saying there is anything wrong in that, just that I do not think he is doing it for the lofty ideals that you think he is. So far, his track record seems to prove otherwise.



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 6:53am

Head Razz, just so you know, I posted this topic on Stallone Zone this morning just after placing my ONE vote and within two hours, had over 183 hits to the thread, which I can only ASSUME came here to VOTE... is this not still a democracy?!!  Don't worry, just because there are more than the 10 fans you thought he had, doesn't mean you have to change your opinion.  We just felt the need to voice ours too.  Sorry if it skewed your numbers!

Response from Head RAZZberry: I am asking "fan on 30 years" to provide proof of his claim that the 200 "no" votes that suddenly showed up overnight are legitimate. Perhaps a LINK to the page they cite as the source of the voters. If he (or she?) can provide convincing proof, the poll will gladly be UN-suspended. If not, we'll need to decide what to do with the results from here...



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: August 02 2006 at 7:00am
Originally posted by ITbeast

Response to fan of 30 years:

I am not saying there is anything wrong in that, just that I do not think he is doing for the lofty ideals that you think his, so far his track record just proves otherwise.

I don't mean to say that he isn't doing it to make money...that is why actors act...that is why we go to work, that is what MOST folks are doing daily.  Kirk Douglas, Katherine Hepburn, Marlon Brando, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Scarlett Johannson, Matt Damon, etc...  I am saying that he chose this one because he believed he could improve on the last one.  Though I am a big fan, I don't REALLY care about roles I haven't been made aware of, I care about what happens to Rocky... I want to see what happens and thanks to Sly I will get that chance.  What can I say, I am an optimist...



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