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How Will Sly End ROCKY BALBOA??

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Forum Name: POLL: How Will ROCKY BALBOA End??
Forum Discription: Vote for YOUR Favorite Scenario, Then Post Your Personal Theory About How Sly Will Have ROCKY XVII End...
URL: http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1509
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Topic: How Will Sly End ROCKY BALBOA??
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: How Will Sly End ROCKY BALBOA??
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 3:53am

ONCE YOU'VE VOTED, FEEL FREE TO POST ANY THEORIES YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT HOW http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=106 - ROCKY XVII   WILL END. HERE IS MINE...

I've been joking to friends for weeks now that, if ROCKY BALBOA has a realistic ending, the 60-year-old punch-drunk pugilist will DIE in the last scene (he was supposed to die at the end of ROCKY V, but Stallone changed his mind during shooting). In all seriousness, I have been trying to figure out just how Duh Sly Guy will resolve the plot this time -- Absolutely no one will believe a sexagenarian KO-ing a young, current champion.  Late last night, it came to me: I'll bet even money that, since this sequel is supposed to "get back to the roots of the character," Stallone will have Balboa barely manage to last 15 rounds against "Mason (The Line) Dixon" and claim it as a "moral victory." It's a total rip-off of the ending from the original ROCKY, but the way Stallone thinks, I'm sure he assumes, since #1 was the only ROCKY movie almost everyone liked, if he's gonna rip himself off, he may as well rip-off his own most successful effort... 

YOU MAY ALSO JOIN OUR POST-RELEASE DISCUSSION of http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1552&PN=1 - ROCKY BALBOA with THIS http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1552&PN=1 - LINK ...



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Replies:
Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 3:58am

You guys just WISH Rocky would die, cuz you hate Stallone so much. Regular folks like me (and million of others) hope Rocky lives FOREVER. He is one of the great characters in all of movie history, and deserves to be immortal...

Response from Head RAZZberry: Sorry, #1 Sly Fan, but you've got it wrong. We don't hate Stallone at all. He's managed to entertain us, amuse us -- and give us RAZZIE Fodder -- for more than two decades now...



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Posted By: #1-Film Freak!!
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 4:02am
The only realistic ending would be for Balboa to die in the ring. But given what a golden goose Rocky has proven to be for the minimally talented Stallone, I seriously doubt that's how it will end. I voted in agreement with head RAZZberry above -- I bet Sly rips-off Rocky I one more time...

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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 4:20am
I say it's long past time to KILL HIM OFF -- Thus putting both Stallone and US out of our 30-year-long misery!!!

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 7:03am

I voted the "Rocky Will Survive 15 Rounds, Just Like in the First ROCKY" my reasons for this is posted on another part of http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1508&PN=1 - forum .

To #1 Sly Fan, as we told you before, we don't hate Stallone, we just wish he would stop force feeding us his garbage and do the right thing for once.



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Posted By: wetbandit82
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 9:19am
While having The Rock die in the ring (or immediately after) may be an interesting angle to take, I think something similar to, but not a carbon copy of, the first one (where he takes a REAL whipping but survives till the end) might be the best option. After all, best to keep him around for the next one, where he's Earth's only hope against the worst boxing alien in the galaxy (or whatever Sly concocts next)... 

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Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 10:02am

So, like, what are guys planning to do when Rocky Balboa eventually out-grosses Mission Impossible III...or maybe even Pirates of the Caribbean 2?? 



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Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 10:25am

In response to #1 Sly Fan's prediction that ROCKY BALBOA will out-gross this year's #1 movie, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN II, here's an interesting list -- The grosses on all five previous ROCKY films, taken from http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=Rocky&p=.htm - Box Office Mojo :

     ROCKY* (1976)          $117,235,147

     ROCKY II  (1979)               $85,182,160 

     ROCKY III (1982)             $125,049,125 

     ROCKY IV* (1985)         $127,873,716 

     ROCKY V* (1990)              $40,946,358 

* Best Picture Oscar Winner 

* Worst Picture RAZZIE Nominee 

Just to drive home my point -- Anyone notice a trend between ROCKY IV and ROCKY V? With only five years between those two films, ROCKY V grossed less than 1/3 of what ROCKY IV did. And that's now 16 YEARS AGO...I'll wager here and now that ROCKY BALBOA will barely make the Top Five at the box office opening weekend, that it fades away quickly, and eventually grosses about $50 million, domestic. It might do better foreign, but I guess we'll have to wait and see...



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Posted By: PopcornAvenger
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 2:53pm
Seriously, I'm too stunned to even vote. I'm still reeling from when I first saw the trailer.

What IS the deal? Are some so wealthy or powerful, and so out of touch that making a movie like this predestined piece of excrement seems like a good idea?

"Sure, Sly, it can't lose!"
"Yeah, what a winner! A return to your roots!"
"America loves Rocky, you'll see!"

I got an idea . . . let's burn down all the cocktail napkin factories, so
that from now on, all ideas like this will be stillborn . . .

Failing the gag reflex . . . .


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 4:48pm

I voted for the AARP to step in and hault this travesty, knowing full well it's a pipedream. Nonetheless, I agree fully with Head Razz's assessment. I think this one will gross somewhere in the $50-$100 million range, WELL below Pirates II and altogether unremarkable.

Beyond the hard-core Stallone fans, and sorry #1 Sly Fan, there really aren't that many of you, neither Stallone nor his Balboa character are going to be a signficant draw for younger audiences, who are far and away the largest movie going demographic. Wild guess here; the younger people who see this movie aren't going to be pulling for the old guy.

Oh...btw...the bout can't go 15 rounds. Once upon a time, all championship bouts went 15, but sometime around the early 80's (if memory serves correct...I haven't paid much attention to boxing for several years) the major sanctioning agencies agreed that no bout should go beyond 12 rounds, out of consideration for the safety of the participants.

On the other hand, Stallone might well boot that detail too, and yet another reason will emerge to trash this one.

Response from Head RAZZberry: I found the following in the Wikipedia entry for BOXING, which substantiates your point about the standard now being 12 rounds rather than 15:

Main article: Professional boxing

"Professional bouts are far longer than Olympic bouts...the championship limit of 12 rounds has existed since the late 1980's when it was shortened from 15 rounds in an effort to increase fighter safety)..."

The UP Side of all this: If it is only 12 rounds, that means ROCKY BALBOA may be a shorter film!

Response from Saturnwatcher: After reading down that article, it appears that the death of a boxer on a nationally televised bout in 1982 was indeed a catalyst for the shortening of bouts, but as with everything else in the good ole USofA, cash considerations played a role as well. A 12 round bout can be televised in one hour, while a 15 round bout will consume an hour and a half and the networks evidently weren't enthused about continuing to invest that much time into a slowly dying sport. Similarly, some of us aren't that interested in investing in Stallone's dying movie career, at least until it hits the bargain theaters.

 



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 1:50am

I HOPE (though am realistic in not expecting it) Rocky Balboa does well at the box office.  However, IF Saturn, IT, and the others are right....I will take great pleasure in watching this movie several times through the holidays.  I completely understand that people have different likes and dislikes... This man, this character, this movie, is definitely in my like catergorie, and just as I have given up trying to sway opinions, I know that opposing opinions will never change my mind.  

My anticipation for the release of RB is that of no movie ever before.  I have a feeling that the character will die after winning the fight, but hope that he doesn't.  I am not asking for the possibility of another Rocky, I just don't want to deal with the death (yes, I know it is a fictional character) of someone that has meant so much to me.  That happens in real life, but this is one of those times it doesn't have to happen.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 2:31am

Fan of 30 Years, After your eye-opening post above, I did some re-thinking of my cruel statement. I apologize for what I said previously. I will downgrade what I put in the other part of the http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1508&PN=1 - forum to "having Rocky pass out on the canvas and being sent to a nursing home as soon as Dixon breathes on him when he enters the ring" instead. I lost someone very precious to me around this time last year and I do not wish that on someone whether the person is real or fictional.

Now to something that will bring a smile to your face (and a boo and hiss from just about everybody else from this forum) I will be picking up the 2 Disc DVD of the original Rocky with the restored footage that has never been seen, which was just released. This should really be of no surprise to anybody who knows me in this forum: I have stated on more than 1 occasion that I did love the 1st two movies in the franchise. 

Originally posted by fan of 30 years

I am not asking for the possibility of another Rocky, I just don't want to deal with the death (yes, I know it is a fictional character) of someone that has meant so much to me.  That happens in real life, but this is one of those times it doesn't have to happen.



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 5:37am

Thanks IT for the consideration.

P.S. check your email...



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Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 4:01pm
I voted that Rocky Will KO Mason Dixon, cause he always wins. He will get
him at the very end of the 15th round after Rocky hears the voice of
Burgess Meredith.

You got to admit it don't get any cheesier than that!


Posted By: wetbandit82
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 4:39pm

Why go with just the voice?  Occasionally I've had a dream about this picture wherein two unknown guys break open Mickey's crypt, haul his by now long rotted corpse down to their dive on Island Avenue, dump the body into a tub of lime caltrate for about 11 hours or so, revealing through Info-Dumps that they're Hardcore Rock-a-Holics who feel the Mickster should be there for his protégé's final go-round.  This includes also painting his skin peachish, dumping talcum powder all over him just to be sure, then getting Mickey into an over-sized trench coat and dark glasses and drive him to the ring, where, with that hand wires attached to his legs, wrists, and neck, he can be brought to life as need be.  As said, Rocky sees Mickey in the crowd, and after an initial "Dya, whotta this mean?" thought process nails his opponent to the rug.  That's all...for this one. 

 

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 4:09am

AT least you have a bargain Theater to see movies that you do not want to pay full price to see at, The last bargain theater that was within local driving distance died out here 3 months ago, I think that Bargain Theaters are going the wayside like your theory about the networks cutting back on a dying sport and Stallone's career. 

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Response from Saturnwatcher: After reading down that article, it appears that the death of a boxer on a nationally televised bout in 1982 was indeed a catalyst for the shortening of bouts, but as with everything else in the good ole USofA, cash considerations played a role as well. A 12 round bout can be televised in one hour, while a 15 round bout will consume an hour and a half and the networks evidently weren't enthused about continuing to invest that much time into a slowly dying sport. Similarly, some of us aren't that interested in investing in Stallone's dying movie career, at least until it hits the bargain theaters. 

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 11:02am
We still have a fair number of bargain theaters around the Denver area although as a general rule, I avoid them. Quite frankly, I'd much rather pay full admission, or at least matinee prices than deal with the type of crowds that typically frequent the 2 buck houses. But in the spirit of being a well informed member of the Razzie electorate, I feel a certain obligation to catch some of the really bad films that I don't want to pay full price to see. I'm still aching over paying full price to see A Sound of Thunder.

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Posted By: tomsmo
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 3:56pm
I think he will go the distance, then get  the respect of everyone that's been dissing him...

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 3:21am

I agree. I am almost 100 percent certain that Sly will go the distance, but that he will still get dissed and disrespected by moviegoers and critics alike. Only in "Stalloneland" could a 60-year-old boxer with medical problems go the distance with a 30-year-old with a Superman physique and not get dropped within the 1st 15 seconds of the fight.

I'm sorry, but I would have more respect for the great Sly Guy if he would, just for once, come down to the real world and give us "mortal moviegoers" a realistic ending.

Originally posted by tomsmo

I think he will go the distance, then get the respect of everyone  that's been dissing him

 



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The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!

Words to live by:
"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 4:10am

I just found this extremely damning item on-line, regarding Stallone's attendance at this year's ShowEast / NATO Convention, at which the entire feature of ROCKY BALBOA was screened:

Sly's Rocky Road   
by Richard Horgan / FilmStew

"Lookit me --  I'm an awtoor!"

Sylvester Stallone’s December 20th holiday release http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479143/" target=_ blank>Rocky Balboa represents a new level of sheer audacity. For here is a man who, at an age (60) when he should simply be making questionable Academy member voting choices, has essentially gone ahead instead with a carbon copy of his very own Best Picture triumph. And save for a surname, he is barely trying to disguise the new film’s 1976 lineage.Had Stallone cast himself as say a gym owner or aging hard luck trainer, Rocky Balboa might have had hope, rather than being a geriatric retread.

At October’s ShowEast gathering in Orlando, Stallone was the star attraction, there to accept the National Association of Theater Owners“ICON Award.” But shortly after Sly stepped inside a fake boxing ring at the World Marriott Center with his glass trophy in hand, he dropped it. Maybe he should take that as an omen.

Because no matter what the theater owners say, Sly’s iconic days are behind him. Sure, Rocky VI and Rambo IV are going to put a lot of large-popcorn-bucket-eating butts in the seats the first weekend, but whatever is gained in aggregate box office dollars will be lost in artistic integrity. It’s a de facto TKO, with Stallone willingly whoring his signature twin franchises.

Sly had the inkling of a good idea in trying to fill the Mr.T-Dolph Lundgren shoes in Rocky Balboa with a real fighter, http://www.antonio-tarver.com/" target=_ blank>Antonio Tarver (he plays Mason ‘The Line’ Dixon). But he should have had the wherewithal to realize that there is absolutely no point in remaking a thirty-year-old classic. Instead, had he instead cast fellow shredded pop culture figure Tyson as his big bad protégé, Stallone could have turned Round 6 into a sly commentary about what aging brute specimens are willing to do for cold hard cash. That is, besides sullying their Oscar legacies. 

Copyright © 2006 FilmStew Inc.  All Rights Reserved. 




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Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 4:13am

The first on-line REVIEW of Rocky Balboa has appeared, and it suggests this newest entry in my favorite film franchise may be a box office (and critical) hit after all. Here's a http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/12/06/022638.php - LINK for all you Stallone-haters to read this http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/12/06/022638.php - RAVE review...

Response from Head RAZZberry: I saw the same review late last night (because it contains a RAZZIE reference, I was sent a link to it by Google Alerts). While hardly a slam (he does give the film 4 stars out of 5) it's not exactly a ringing endorsement, either. It basically suggest that, until the final bout begins, the film is a slow-paced, self-pitying bore. The author is identified at the end of the piece as a 23-year-old blogger from Columbus, Ohio -- Hardly a mainstream critic. And the 4 star rating is belied by the rest of the review. Yes, the possibility that Stallone could pull off a surprise here does still exist -- But think about it: When was the last time Duh Sly Guy did anything that surprised anyone??



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 6:01am

Way back in February, worstpreviews.com, who usually does a fair job predicting how movies will perform at the box office, forecast a $24 million opening weekend and a total $72 million domestic gross for this movie. That is pretty much in line with what some of us here envision.

The single biggest mistake Stallone may have made was pushing this film up for early release. Typically, the competition is less formidable in February, and I don't think there are serious Oscar possibilities here, except possibly in Stallone's mind.

Response from Head RAZZberry: ROCKY BALBOA was originally scheduled for release in February of next year. The reasons for its release being moved to December, according to a studio exec I spoke with at a party last summer, were:

1) The studio wanted to play up the "30th anniversary of the original ROCKY" angle in promoting the film (which I haven't seen them doing -- at least not blatantly) and... 

 2) The studio was afraid that, given an extra 60 daze with the film finished and not yet released, bad pre-release word-of-mouth might start building and kill what little chance the film had of making its money back... 



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Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 7:15am

Here's another ROCKY BALBOA-related http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/30877 - LINK you may find interesting: A multi-part "interview" series with Stallone at http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/30877 - Ain't It Cool News , in which Duh Sly Guy answers questions submitted by Internet users from around the world. He discusses RHINESTONE, the next RAMBO movie, why he killed off Adrian (Talia Shire) in ROCKY XVII, and, most interestingly, what he himself considers to be HIS OWN WORST MOVIE (it's one for which he "won" Worst Actor, but the film itself is not a Worst Picture "winner")... 

P.S. I just realized something: How little faith must MGM/UA have in ROCKY BALBOA if they're resorting to having Duh Sly Guy do on-line "interviews" at Ain't it Cool to promote it? What, they  couldn't even get him a guest spot on THE VIEW?!?!?!



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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 7:23am

I read the ENTIRE Ain't it Cool "interview" linked above. Not sure if I agree with Stallone as to his "worst movie," (though the one he chose was excruciating to sit through!). I was also struck by the fact that, despite many of Sly's Razzie-nominated and Razzie "winning" films being discussed, the subject of the Razzies themselves, and Stallone's reaction to them, never came up. Which left me wondering: Is that because, out of some 40,000 questions Ain't It Cool claims were submitted, not one mentioned our Awards...was it because Ain't It Cool specifically culled out any Razzie-related questions...or was it because Stallone himself made it clear he would not answer any Razzie-related questions??  Interesting conundrum to conjecture on, no?

Response from Head RAZZberry: In general, Stallone has alwaze refused to discuss The RAZZIES. In fact, the only time I ever remember the subject even being broached with him publicly was in a San Diego Union Tribune article about our nominees for 2001, when DRIVEN (and Stallone's "performance" in it) were among those nominated. When Stallone's spokesperson was asked for a reaction, they said (and we quote): "Sorry, Mr. Stallone is not going to comment on the awards, and he will not be attending the event." For those interested in reading the entire http://www.razzies.com/asp/content/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=57 - Union Tribune article , complete with quotes from handlers for Mariah Carey and Tom Green, here's a http://www.razzies.com/asp/content/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=57 - LINK to it from our old web site... 



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Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 10:17am
Having spent some time searching the Net, I think I know how Rocky Balboa ends -- Or at least how it ended when Stallone first wrote the screenplay. Since not knowing may get some of you you Stallone-haters to pay money to see the movie, I'm not gonna give it away...But I will tell you, it's not any of the choices listed in your Poll -- nor one that I, as a Sly/Rocky fan, would have chosen...

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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 10:23am

If it's not one of the choices listed in the poll (and not one #1 Sly Fan would have chosen) then I assume Rocky doesn't win -- YAY!  Don't tell me, though, if he just loses...or dies of a broken heart  ...

Response from Head RAZZberry: Out of consideration for other Forum visitors who may wish to see ROCKY BALBOA, I want to discourage anyone from giving away the actual ending, if they know it. I'd also like to thank #1 Sly Fan, who is clearly no friend of the RAZZIES, for not giving away what his Net search revealed...



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 4:51pm
Personally, I don't think its going to end. I think that in another 16 years, an even older and more broken down Rocky Balboa is going to climb into the ring YET AGAIN. Maybe he will be energized and invigorated with some bionic parts or something, but mark my words, he'll still go on making "hurtin' bombs"...and we'll still be feeling the pain!  

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Posted By: #1 Sly Fan
Date Posted: December 14 2006 at 6:31am

NEWSWEEK just published an extensive article on Rocky Balboa, which reads as a rave review for the movie. Here's a http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16116771/site/newsweek/ - LINK to check it out on-line. GO, ROCKY!!! 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Yes, the article was indeed flattering to the film, and suggested that movie-goers may indeed be pleasantly surprised by what Duh Sly Guy has come up with this time. But I noticed that the by-line was not Newsweek's usual film critic, David Ansen, and that in the next article in the published version of the magazine, which had Ansen listing his Best Bets for Holiday Entertainment of 2006, ROCKY BALBOA was not even mentioned...



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Posted By: Brierfox
Date Posted: December 14 2006 at 6:11pm
 I'm still rooting for Rocky.  Why?  Because I'd like to see a 60-year-old guy beat a 30-year-old champ, that's why!   Rocky may not be faster or stronger, but I bet he knows a lot of tricks that the younger Dixon won't know.

I don't like Stallone as an actor, because he always plays "himself".  He always sounds like the slow witted punk from Brooklyn he played in "Lords of Flatbush".   I was living in Brooklyn at the time, and believe it or not, there really are guys who talk the way Stallone talks.  They aren't really slow, they just sound that way.
But Stallone never got past the Brooklyn stereotype, whereas other actors learned to modulate their voices to cover their accent.  But not Sylvester, he just kept on mumbling.

I'm betting that Mason Dixon realizes that he actually likes Rocky, and in the end, he pulls away and lets Rocky win,  proving that good guys do finish first (which is basically the kind of movie Stallone prefers).   The idea of a computer simulation reminds me of when they used a computer to figure out who was the fastest boxer.  Muhammad Ali was figured to be the fastest by a surprisingly wide margin.
I know a lot of people thought sly would have been better off playing a boxing coach, but Eastwood had that idea first.


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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 2:54pm

As of this posting (Dec 15th, 2006 at 7:36pm Pacific Time) http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/ - Rocky Balboa  is sitting at 80% at RT...Now before you go spill your Egg Nog In Stallone like jubilation #1 Sly Fan, just let me point out 2 things...

1) The positive reviews do not read "flattering" as you would expect about the star or the character, it's like the reviewer clicked the mouse over the wrong choice by mistake or just felt sympathy for how desperate Stallone is.

2) I have seen a 80% positive score quickly dip into the 30% to 40%, especially after the first 3 days of release.

However, I will give Stallone some credit for having the balls to let the critics review it before opening day. That does show that someone (Whether Stallone or the Studio) has a little faith in its performance.

I will also be posting my review in this forum as well on Dec 22nd (As I am sure you know it is now opening Dec 20th, I am sure to try to take advantage of the Christmas Holidays). As I have said several times before I will not pay full price to see a Stallone movie (especially since they closed the markdown theater down near me), but since I received a free movie ticket to see "Rocky Balboa" when I purchased the 2-disc special edition of the original "Rocky" I am going to see and review in all fairness when I get my voting ballot (It should be real shortly).

Stay Tuned!!!!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/gallery.php?page=23&size=lores&nopop=1">Rocky Balboa Movie Stills: Sylvester Stallone, Antonio Tarver, Burt Young, Sylvester Stallone



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Posted By: Movie Man
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 4:56pm
Aiesha Tyler and Richard Roeper were treated to an early review of the movie. Their verdict: 2 thumbs way up!!!


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 11:18pm

At the end of the day, if the question of whether or not Sly ends up winning a career Razzie is put before the membership, Rocky Balboa isn't going to influence my opinion in the least. Even if the movie turns out to be a least tolerable (or even good) it won't erase the blackboard.

You have here a lengthy career of howling dogs, and easily one of the five least deserving Oscar Best Picture winners in history on his resume.



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: December 16 2006 at 9:31am

So then the arguments months ago about the decision already being made is true for you, right Saturn.   Someone accused the Razzies of already making their mind up, but was told that wasn't the case.  But it seems to be for you at least.  No worries.  Your opinion matters to me as little as mine does to you. 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Sorry to hear that you presume we don't value your opinion. At this point in time (9am/PST on December 19, 2006) it certainly looks like your idol Stallone may pull off the surprise box office hit of the season.  If he does, more power to him, and we'll probably leave him alone for 2006. But if ROCKY BALBOA is a huge hit, and Sly goes into production on RAMBO IV with an inflated ego, I'd hazard to guess that the endless back-and-forth about possibly giving him a Worst Career Achievement RAZZIE will be replayed again next year...



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 16 2006 at 12:07pm

Fan of 30 years, I agree that Saturnwatcher may have been a little blunt in his post but he does essentially have a valid point. Now, Just for arguments sake, lets say Rocky Balboa does fairly decent in box office returns (around $100 million give or take $20 million) and manages to stay in the 60% positive range at RT, and manages to not get nominated for a Razzie (I know there is lots of "ands" but I am trying to be a little optimistic about Rocky Balboa), Stallone still has essentially over 20 years of "constant" Razzie achievements and that any movie in the last 12 years that Stallone has had a hand in the creativity department (I do not count Spy Kids 3 because he only had a supporting role in that movie and no creative input, Thank God!) has not earned a dime and has lost millions on the production cost of his movies alone.

So to some up what I am saying is even if Rocky Balboa is not the final feather in Stallone's Razzie Crown of Honor and Head Razz does decide to put it on the ballot for consideration of a Stallone life time achievement award (Note for HeadRazzberry: I am not saying you are going to, just to say if you did) That on the merit of that work alone with what I just mentioned I would have to vote yes, and if it is not on the ballot this time there is always Rambo IV or as he has now retitled it http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30861 - PEARL OF THE COBRA (Sounds like a bad sequel crossover movie of "Indiana Jones VS Cobra" in the sames lines of Predator VS Aliens, Freddy Vs Jason, King Kong Vs Godzilla, etc...) .

I do feel however that Rocky Balboa has a slight advantage over anything else that Stallone has done as of lately, it is like as I have always said "Stallone has always been good at doing Stallone"!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/gallery.php?page=14&size=lores&nopop=1">Rocky Balboa Movie Stills: Sylvester Stallone, Antonio Tarver, Burt Young, Sylvester Stallone

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 16 2006 at 1:34pm

Originally posted by fan of 30 years

So then the arguments months ago about the decision already being made is true for you, right Saturn.  

IT Beast made the point well above, but it is probably worth restating. If the question involved whether or not Stallone deserved any Razzie nominations on the basis of his performance in, or the quality of the film Rocky Balboa (and that question may yet be set before us) I would reserve judgment until the film was released and I had adequate information (in all probability from actually seeing it) as to whether or not he received my vote on the subsequent ballot.

 While we have all taken our respective jabs at Stallone, which are perfectly justified based on his history and the mere fact that this film is getting made, I don't think anyone here has decided to nominate either Stallone or this movie for anything just yet.

(NOTE: Just today, some information came to me about the plot-line of this film courtesy of one of the resident reviewers from The Rocky Mountain News. I have to admit that the general plot line makes the entire thing more plausible than I expected. Out of respect for a plea made earlier by Head Razz, I'll not post the information.)

Since the question as presented involved whether or not Stallone deserved consideration on the basis of a career body of work, IMHO the answer is decidedly yes, regardless of how his latest effort turns out. In other words, I am making a decision on the matter on the basis of the big picture rather than a single piece of it, as I think most of us are inclined to do. Let's face it. If Ed Wood had managed to make an Oscar worthy picture sometime in his career, he'd still be remembered for the Plan Nine 's and  the Glen or Glenda 's.

With all due respect, you do me a disservice on two points:

1. Your claim that your opinion is of no interest to me. In fact, the horse race with only one entry would be a pointless and uninteresting spectacle.

2. You are lumping my arguments on two, at best vaguely related questions, together. As I hope now has been made clear, while a prediction of dubious outcome was not out of the question for Rocky Balboa, no one here has made final judgment. On the greater question of Stallone's eligibility for consideration for a special Razzie based on a career body of work, his latest film is of little consequence in the final consideration.



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Posted By: tomsmo
Date Posted: December 16 2006 at 2:10pm
Read that Rocky 6 has been getting some good reviews there are three reviews that they posted on the offical site rocky.com


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: December 16 2006 at 2:10pm

Although the numbers at RT for http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/ - ROCKY BALBOA have dropped overnight from a high of 80% approval on Friday, they are still above 55% favorable (albeit, with only 7 reviews in so far). So the possibility does exist that Duh Sly Guy might actually pull off a surprise, and create a watchable movie again.

Guess we'll all know once the picture opens this Wednesday...



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 17 2006 at 12:32pm

Well, it looks like "Rocky Balboa" has pushed himself back off the canvas (for the moment) and is back up over the 60% line at http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/ - RT . Like both me and Saturnwatcher said, The overall consensus from the critics for "Rocky Balboa" will most likely be in the 1st 3 to 5 days after Rocky Balboa is released!

Response from Head RAZZberry: For now (7pm/PST on Sunday, Dec. 17) RB is getting a "Fresh" Rating at RT -- But that's with less than 10 reviews counted. So, at this point, critical response could still go either way. Guess we'll have to wait and see its combined critical/box office clout to decide if Sly's latest is, indeed, a RAZZIE Contenduh...or Hollywood's best Cinderella story of 2006. 



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 18 2006 at 2:06pm

You guys are not going to believe this, but as of 7:06/PST on Monday, Dec 18th, http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/ - ROCKY B  is not only back up to 77%, but at 100% for the cream of the crop over at RT. Someone may have to pick ME off the canvas if this trend continues! I might actually enjoy myself when I go see this on Friday, which would be a very pleasant surprise -- the 1st time in about 20 years for a Stallone picture!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/gallery.php?page=4&size=lores&nopop=1">Rocky Balboa Movie Stills: Sylvester Stallone, Antonio Tarver, Burt Young, Sylvester Stallone



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: December 18 2006 at 5:14pm

Considering the fact that most final ratings at IMDB garner between 95 and 115 critical reviews, the 13 on the board for Rocky Balboa so far hardly constitutes a trend. Nonetheless, allow me to throw a shock into the board here: I almost hope this film does end up getting something at least close to a decent critical response. There are so many other films that have been released this year that sorely deserve our attention that it would almost be a shame to invest more of our attention on yet another lame effort by Stallone. Frankly, the whole topic is growing a bit stale.

On an entirely unrelated note, I made a wildly inaccurate prediction last weekend that I would like to share. After  my wife expressed some surprise that Apocalypto opened at #1 last week, I advised her not to read too much into it. After all, the opening numbers were pretty soft for a holiday film, and I predicted it would drop at least 50% week 2. How wrong I was...it only tanked 48.5%.



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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 19 2006 at 3:08am

See, even you can have a bit of an off day..., I was even more surprised that Apocalypto made $16 million in its first week, much less ranking #1 at the B.O. It looks like it may at least be able to pay for its production cost.

Anyways, I do agree there are lots of other movies out there that deserve our immediate attention other than Rocky Balboa. I'm just more or less in shock that after more than 20 years of certified crap (Some of witch Stallone himself finally admitted to) that his latest installment may not be more of same.

Well, we'll find out between tomorrow and Friday for sure if what he pulls off on screen in Rocky Balboa can be pulled off with the critics, this honorable Forum, and most importantly, American moviegoers.



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Posted By: Brierfox
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 5:52am
I just watched a TV program on TVO called "Theatre 101'" and they interviewed the producers, directors et al of the first five Rockie movies.  It was interesting to learn that Sly wanted Rocky to die in "Rocky-V" but the studio heads said "no, heroes like Batman and Rocky can't die."
The director said Sly had written the entire script to lead up to Rocky's death, and that the movie would have shown that, though Rocky himself may die, his dream will live on.  As the result of the changes (and all the principals agreed) was that "Rocky-V" was a mushy failure. At the time of the interviews, there was no #6 in the works.
Just goes to show you: businessmen, even college educated ones, don't know how to make movies! 


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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 5:49am

Actually, it was Stallone who made the decision not kill off his own character in Rocky V, not the studio. I dug this up a few months ago in one of our other "Stallone Debate" threads. Here is the exact quote from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100507/trivia - IMDB ; "Sylvester Stallone originally intended for Rocky to die after defeating Tommy Gunn in their streetfight, however he had second thoughts and rewrote the ending, claiming "it would be like killing off Superman". 

Originally posted by Brierfox

I just watched a TV program on TVO called "Theater 101'" and they interviewed the producers, directors et al of the first five Rockie movies.  It was interesting to learn that Sly wanted Rocky to die in "Rocky-V" but the studio heads said "no, heroes like Batman and Rocky can't die."
The director said Sly had written the entire script to lead up to Rocky's death, and that the movie would have shown that, though Rocky himself may die, his dream will live on.  As the result of the changes (and all the principals agreed) was that "Rocky-V" was a mushy failure. At the time of the interviews, there was no #6 in the works.
Just goes to show you: businessmen, even college educated ones, don't know how to make movies! 



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Posted By: AllisonSNLKid
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 11:46am

Originally posted by #1-Film Freak!!

The only realistic ending would be for Balboa to die in the ring. But given what a golden goose Rocky has proven to be for the minimally talented Stallone, I seriously doubt that's how it will end. I voted in agreement with head RAZZberry above -- I bet Sly rips-off Rocky I one more time...

Could be worse...he could get into the ring in cowboy getup and a guitar and sing us to death...

...or, he could arm wrestle Mason Dixon, but he doesn't need to get custody of his son, because, after all, he is grown up...

Allison :-)



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: December 29 2006 at 1:41am

With the movie now out, I will say this.  I absolutely loved it.  And as much as I would love for Rocky, thus Sly to kick butt at the box office and really show everyone who isn't rooting for him, I have come to the realization that it doesn't really matter. 

I know low #'s and bad reviews will affect future projects, but for me, I got what I was wanting with Rocky Balboa.  A sweet, sentimental, don't let anyone tell you that you can't do something, Bill Conti score, going the distance close to MY favorite character ever.  And since Sly and Rocky are so much the same in my mind, neither can do much wrong in my eyes.

I have never been so naive as to think or say that Sly never made any bad movies.  But I would like to say that he is the ONLY actor that I am willing to watch whether or not it is a bad movie.  Even the "greats" in the eyes of most can't draw me to a movie that is bad.

  Everyone has an opinion, so, here is mine.  I am sure that you will like Rocky Balboa, and that no matter what it will not redeem Sly enough to avoid your Razz.  That's is OK.  Do what you feel is right... I got what I wanted.  And I will now look forward to whatever Sly does next. 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Dear Fan of 30 Years and #1 Sly Fan -- While we don't totally agree about ROCKY BALBOA, we're much closer in our response than you might expect. Due to the critical acceptance of  the film ( http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/ - LINK ) and the fact that it is clearly not bombing at the box office ( http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=rocky6.htm - LINK )  I chose to list it in only two places on my 27th Annual RAZZIES Nominating Ballot (both Burt Young as Paulie and Milo Ventimiglia as Rocky Junior for Worst Supporting Actor). Stallone's performance in this film, especially the scene where he breaks down in tears over the loss of Adrian, was certainly nothing for him to be ashamed of (or for us to poke fun at). We  have also decided 2006 is not an appropriate year to give Sly a Worst Career Achievement award. But if ROCKY VI and its apparent success allow Stallone to finally make RAMBO IV and/or his "dream project" about Edgar Allen Poe, as I mentioned in a previous post, we will likely revisit the issue in the next year or two...



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 1:50am

HeadRazz, I understand that you have to do what you what you have to do.  And while I do not profess to be any sort of expert on who is a good actor or not, I would disagree with the nominations of both Milo and Burt.  The character of Paulie reminds me of so many people I have met in life that I can't help but feel that Burt captures him so well.  And Milo pulled off that roll surprisingly well, to me. 

No hard feelings though, everyone gets to have an opinion.



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 4:30pm

For what it's worth, I doubt either of them will receive sufficient votes to make the final ballot. The competition is sufficiently stiff that RB will likely be ignored by both the AMPAS and the Razzies.

Originally posted by fan of 30 years

And while I do not profess to be any sort of expert on who is a good actor or not, I would disagree with the nominations of both Milo and Burt. 



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Posted By: fan of 30 years
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 1:18am
  I guess that will have to be good enough for me.

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Posted By: CDNDestroyer
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 3:07pm
I actually really enjoyed Rocky Balboa.  I don't know why everyone expected this film to bomb horribly other than pulling the "Stallone is old" excuse.  Age sometimes allows actors to grow experience.  It's been 16 years since Rocky V, the stink is long gone and Stallone finally gets a chance to conclude what he started.

Yes, Stallone acting career has sucked horribly but Rocky is one of the few roles he could do well because it's really just an extension of his real-life self.

They concluded the series, ended it on a good note (which Rocky V tried to do and failed) and left it as such.  I couldn't have expected any more.

Looking forward: Rambo IV could be one of those films that could be horribly incredible or incredibly horrible.  I can't wait.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 4:45pm

Why did we expect Rocky to be bad? Stallone's track record was a launching point for speculation. As for Rocky being an extension of Stallone's "real life self," PLEASE! Rocky may represent some extension of Stallone's ideal vision of himself, assuming that he actually does aspire to some status lower than Zeus. But Rocky wasn't a terribly admirable human being, at least by any standard I'd choose to admire. And, frankly, neither is Sly...



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 4:54pm

If the defining question of the topic were altered slightly, to say, "How will Rocky Balboa end?" the answer might finally be, "largely ignored."

Its box-office numbers weren't disastrous; as of January 18 it had pulled in $66 million domestic, and will probably tack on another 5 to 10 million before it ends its run, about exactly what we predicted. What has been curious has been its complete lack of appeal in foreign markets. It has only pulled about $10 million overseas. Compare that to You, Me and Dupree, a very different movie, but with comparable domestic numbers. It ended its domestic run in the mid-70 million range. Its foreign take was around $55 million. Evidently Rocky's appeal is strictly an American phenomenon, and not, these days, a strong one even here.



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Posted By: CDNDestroyer
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Why did we expect Rocky to be bad? Stallone's track record was a launching point for speculation. As for Rocky being an extension of Stallone's "real life self," PLEASE! Rocky may represent some extension of Stallone's ideal vision of himself, assuming that he actually does aspire to some status lower than Zeus. But Rocky wasn't a terribly admirable human being, at least by any standard I'd choose to admire. And, frankly, neither is Sly...



I will not deny that Stallone's acting career has ranged from wretched to laughable and he has not been a good actor.  But the Rocky role always seemed to click for him because it didn't demand too much from him.  He just had to show up and be himself, which was what I was referring to when I said "real-life self", which any of us could do.

Rocky was not a terrible admirable character, that was the entire point.  He was just a regular guy who meant well but was a bum.  He was called up to an extraordinary opportunity to prove himself, he didn't expect to win just not back down.

Remember: Stallone came up with the idea/script for the Rocky film and it was actually really good.  Now that he's been out of the acting spotlight for many years and gotten older, I feel he's been humbled a little bit to the point where he just wanted to properly conclude the series he started.  I don't view it as a vanity project for Stallone because I never saw it that way.  It was just a proper conclusion after the disaster that was Rocky V.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 5:07pm

Rocky was not a terrible admirable character, that was the entire point.  He was just a regular guy who meant well but was a bum. 

I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who once quipped, "God must love common people, because he made an awful lot of them." Frankly, I've known a lot of common folk, or regular guys if you prefer, and almost all of them were a million times more admirable than, in my view, the utterly detestable Rocky Balboa. Come now, folks. Was I really the only guy watching those movies that pulled for ALL of his opponents to beat the stuffing out of him?



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