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Diss-Cussion of EPIC MOVIE

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Forum Discription: Nominated for 2 RAZZIES® including Worst Screenplay
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Topic: Diss-Cussion of EPIC MOVIE
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Diss-Cussion of EPIC MOVIE
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 2:18am

SURE, IT'S SCATTER-SHOT, HIT-and-MISS, ONE-LAUGH-for-EVERY-17-JOKES...WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE DEFENDING http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=172&PN=1 - EPIC MOVIE . LET IT SINK, SWIM (or WALK THE GANGPLANK) on ITS OWN MERITS (OR BLATANT LACK of THEM!)...

Captain Jack Swallows: "Is this a parody of PIRATES...or a PIRATE GIRLS GONE WILD video??" 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 4:22am

I saw this one last night. It had a few inspired gags, and a lot more humor that fell flat. In short, it wasn't much different than the spate of similar films, such as the Scary Movie series. It is worthy of discussion, but the guess here is that by the time we get near the end of 2007, we'll have a host of more promising candidates for Razzie gold.

The more interesting aspect of seeing this film was the trailer for Delta Farce, which I have discussed elsewhere on the site.



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Posted By: jb razz
Date Posted: January 28 2007 at 6:18am

I was sure that this would be better than Date Movie, because here the material is actually able to be properly parodied, but from what I've read of the IMDb user comments, it is just as bad as Date Movie,  full of the same unfunny toilet/sexual humor.

Maybe these untalented writers/ directors, who escaped the wrath of the Razzies this year, will finally get what they deserve when the 2007 nominations come out in early 2008?? 



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Posted By: whennow
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 5:28am
Carmen Electra is going to get another nomination. Fourth year in a row. "I want Candy" doesn't look promising. Another duo nom?


Posted By: jb razz
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 7:44am

News flash!
Epic Movie currently has a 0% aproval rating on Rottentomatoes. Now that's ROTTEN! Even Date Movie got about three fresh reviews.

This might help boost its razzie consideration this year, but last year's Zoom had a 0% aproval rating and it only got two nominations (Worst Actor, Worst Excuse for Family Entertainment).

Response from Head RAZZBerry: I too was disappointed at ZOOM's poor showing in this year's RAZZIE nominating process. Actually, it only got ONE nod -- A three-way Worst Actor nom for Tim Allen in it, SANTA CLAUSE 3 and SHAGGY DOG. Guess almost no one actually saw it!



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 2:11am
Let's see, the Scary Movie series, then Date Movie, now this. Looks like a Razzie to me. And once again, Carmen Electra might get nominated for a fourth year in a row.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 8:19am
Why in the hell did the creators of Scary Movie choose to do another rip-off when their last one, Date Movie, bombed really bad?


Posted By: Berrynoia
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 2:31pm

Originally posted by Mamby

Why in the hell did the creators of Scary Movie choose to do another rip-off when their last one, Date Movie, bombed really bad?

Um...I believe it's only 2 of the 6 people of Scary Movie...the bottom two (Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer).  Just wait untli they make Action Movie, Romantic Movie, Romantic Comedic Movie, Goth Movie, Emo Movie, Cartoon Movie,  Parody Movie (a movie that parodies parodies), and Bad Movie (a movie that parodies bad movies...badly).

Unfortunately, the way Hollywood has been, don't be surprised if these movies happen.  And considering that Epic Movie made it to #1 at the box office...oh boy.

Date Movie made $48 million in the US and $84 million worldwide.

Both Date Movie and Epic Movie had budgets of about $20 million each.



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Posted By: jb razz
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 1:28pm

Another news flash! Not only does Epic Movie have a 0% aproval rating on rottentomatoes it is #41 on the IMDb bottom 100 list. Headrazz-Keep this one in mind while writing the ballot at the end of the year.

Another recent movie on the bottom 100 list that we haven't discussed is Stomp the Yard. It sounds like yet another young African American trying to be accepted movie, this time focusing on "stomping"...whatever that is!

 



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Posted By: bruin_522
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 7:10am
Some of the best parodies in Hollywood history have been 2 of the earliest films by Mel Brooks, Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein. Airplane was also pretty funny, showing David Zucker's glory daze before they slipped away.


Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: February 10 2007 at 7:19am
Saw it last night, it was funnier then Date movie, but that really isn't saying much. I will admit to laughing at the "Obvious stunt double" fight scene, with Fred Willard. Also Crispin Glover and Darrell Hammond did pretty good imitations of Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka and Captain Jack Sparrow. Aside from that I pretty much detested the film.


Posted By: BlancaNieve
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 5:45pm
God I hated every second of this movie. I always enjoy myself when I go to the movies, even when the movie is awful (and I saw the third Austin Powers in theaters), but this movie was both completely disgusting and NOT funny.

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Posted By: EraFirma
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 9:54am
I don't know what it is but the scary movie, date movie and this really insult me, haha. Maybe it's the fact that they make a preview actually considering the fact that I'll see it and actually want to see that movie? I idea of Parody has so many damn options and potential creative drive and these disregard all of that. I personally know alot of people who think the stupidest most moronic stuff is "funny" but no where in my life have I actually ever met somebody who would consider or be tricked into seeing these films. The numbers these films brought in absolutely make my jaw drop! I even think there are alot of films that are brilliant and it seems no one else in the world agrees with me such as "Club Dread" but the wayons bros. and the rest of the writer's of these "movie's"....!.... I just find it so damn hard to believe that someone somewhere said " hey, ya know this is great! I'll fund it"

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Posted By: EraFirma
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 9:57am
I would seriously in a second, choose a Steven Segal film 5 times in a row tied down eyes taped open than consciously go see one of these movies. 

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Posted By: WarioGolf
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 12:38pm
I saw it just to see how bad it was. It was bad. 2nd worst of 07 next to Hanibal. And nobody laughed in the entire film!

Good thing I decided to see the good movie Pursuit of Happyness right after that. Made me forget about this!


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: March 04 2007 at 7:28pm

What does it say about a movie when you can see the boom mike in a number of scenes?    Or where you can clearly see the face of Fred Willard's stunt double when you should see Fred Willard fighting?    Or when it's obvious they are using a dummy?    Or, and sad to say but it's true, when some of its best performances were by Carmen Electra? 

Screenwriters Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer were among the screenwriters who worked on the Scary Movies, and even then, they only worked on certain characters.  After seeing this dud, I would suggest they dump these two.  Although I laughed a number of times, for the most part, Friedberg and Seltzer can't deliver anything that's funny. 

Not only that, but this apparently low budget dud was supposed to spoof The Chronicles of Narnia, The DaVinci Code, The Pirates of the Carribbean, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, X-Men and Harry Potter movies (along with way too many others).  Yet Fox spent next to nothing on special effects.  I guess they decided the beaver was the only thing that needed to be done.  They could have erased the boom mikes, morphed the dummies to be more realistic and put Willard's face over his stunt double's face, but no.  It was more like watching a home made production rather than a major studio release.

Kal Penn, Adam Campbell, Faune A. Chambers, Crispin Glover, Jennifer Coolidge, Darrell Hammond, Fred Willard, David Lehre, Kevin McDonald. . . . almost the entire cast turned in worse performances than Carmen Electra did as Mystique.    THERE AREN'T ENOUGH RAZZIE NOMINATIONS TO GO AROUND FOR THIS STINKER!  It's easier to say that Jayma Mays, David Carradine and Jareb Dauplaise performed well, AND THAT'S IT!  Deserving of special attention are Hector Jiminez for French kissing a beaver and Vince Vieluf for acting more like a parody of Teen Wolf than of Wolverine.

Last year's Date Movie only got one nomination (and one dishonor) because of Carmen Electra, but 2006 had more than its fair share of bad movies.  I hope we don't neglect Epic Movie in this year's noms.



Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 6:24am
I'm unclear exactly what their criteria were, but in Rotten Tomatoes' recent listing of what it calls The 100 Worst-Reviewed Movies of ALL TIME, EPIC MOVIE ranks http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/wotw/?r=13&mid=1171333 - #13 ...

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Posted By: bruin_522
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 9:44am

CASINO ROYALE was a "MUCH BETTER" movie than the last two James Bond movies, which each "won" a RAZZIE (The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day). CASINO came out on DVD yesterday, and there's a scene in EPIC MOVIE where they're spoofing it (see below):

Brooklyn Freed, Darko Belgrade and Michelle Misty Lang in 20th Century Fox's Epic Movie



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Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 5:41am
I disliked this film very much, but the stunt double obviousness was intentional.


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 3:05pm

Originally posted by Sanndman228715

I disliked this film very much, but the stunt double obviousness was intentional.

I don't get this.  Please explain to me how it was "intentional". 

When things like showing stunt doubles are done intentionally in a movie, it's worked into the script.  Spaceballs has an excellent (and funny) example of this. 

When it just shows up, and then it just goes away, it looks as much like a mistake as seeing the boom mic drop down in plain sight for a couple of scenes.  And if it was MEANT to be intentional, then it's yet another joke that fell flat because of poor execution.  And let me tell you, the audience I saw this with wasn't laughing at that scene...



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Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: March 28 2007 at 5:04am
Well, if it wasn't intentional ( And I still say it was), then we've finally found an American heir to Edward D. Wood Jr.


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: March 28 2007 at 4:42pm

Originally posted by Sanndman228715

Well, if it wasn't intentional ( And I still say it was), then we've finally found an American heir to Edward D. Wood Jr.

Whether intentional or not, they tried to be funny, and weren't.

As for the Edward D. Wood, Jr. heir, well, Wood was trying not to be funny, and he was. . . .



Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 9:40am
I have to disagree with whoever said Carmen Electra was better than Darrell Hammond or Crispin Glover. I think that their Johnny Depp imitations were pretty dead-on, but the screenplay didn't do anyone in the cast any favors.


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: May 11 2007 at 5:50pm

I said it, and I stand by it.  Glover almost pulled it off, but then he began to dance, and well, there you go.  Hammond, on the other hand, couldn't play Depp playing Keith Richards; he came off as just a goofy, womanizing pirate.  But you're right about the script.  Even if both of them performed their parodies brilliantly, the unfunny script would have done them in.

Perhaps I should agree with Sanndman228715; perhaps in Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer, we have finally seen the true heirs of Edward D. Wood, Jr.  First Date Movie, and now Epic Movie.  Uwe Blows, you've got competition!

Originally posted by Sanndman228715

I have to disagree with whoever said Carmen Electra was better than Darrell Hammond or Crispin Glover. I think that their Johnny Depp imitations were pretty dead-on, but the screenplay didn't do anyone in the cast any favors.



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Posted By: Criss808
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 12:39am

For Your Consideration - Epic Movie 

WORST PICTURE & ANY OTHER CATEGORIES!!!

Please, oh please, give this movie at least one Razzie nomination (for Worst Picture). This has to be one of the most pointless pieces of crap I have ever seen in my entire life!!! This and "Norbit" are the worst movies of the year so far. They need to quit making these unfunny spoof movies. I mean spoof movies went out like fifteen years ago.

I HATED IT SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!

 



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Posted By: dipitlow555
Date Posted: July 27 2007 at 3:53pm

OK, DATE MOVIE sucked horribly (so bad that it was nominated last year) so what was the point of making this useless sequel? And how was it ever the #1 movie in America?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 



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Posted By: Criss808
Date Posted: August 13 2007 at 4:45am
I could see Carmen Electra getting another WORST SUPPORTING ACTRESS nomination this year. I mean her role was "Razzie-tastic"!!!


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 11:34am
You know you're watching a bad movie when the funniest part is a Mel Gibson joke.

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Posted By: Criss808
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 7:39am

I'd rather be in a room with Michael Vick and Hitler than to watch this movie again.



Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 8:58am

My Review (7/10):

4 Children, Peter, Lucy, Edward and Susan, all find tickets to an epic
adventure but they're soon trapped by Willy Wonka. Soon Lucy finds a
wardrobe and steps into the magical world of Gnarnia and eventually the
four orphans are battling to save Edward and stop the white bitch!

For those who have seen "Date Movie" and hated it, you would probably
not watch this one since it was made by the same filmmakers and expect
this movie to be horrible, if not any worse. Well, is it bad? For me,
obviously not. It was much better than "Date Movie" and you can tell
the filmmakers that they actually changed some of their plans to make
this movie funnier. And it is.

I would compare this to "Monty Python's Holy Grail" because this film
has its shares of laughs and unfunny jokes. The good thing is the movie
is really quite refreshing in a way. Why? They never actually spoofed
fantasy movies before. Does it make a difference? Yes, it does.

What gets better in this movie other than the jokes are the elaborate
costumes, the extensive (and wonderful) set designs, special effects,
and score, if you care to know about any of that. Although you may
think it's a bigger budget than "Date Movie", it's surprisingly the
same, if that interests you.

The jokes in here are funny because it mocks other films, makes obvious
clichés and surprisingly turns them the other way, one continuing joke
which I found really funny even if it goes throughout the film, a joke
they continued from "Date Movie" (the obvious stunt double and dummy),
and the randomness.

The target audience is apparent: Those who have and liked "Date Movie"
or have seen the films spoofed in here, including "Nacho Libre," "The
Chronicles of Narnia," "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle," "Charlie
and the Chocolate Factory," the "X-Men" pictures, "Superman Returns",
"The Da Vinci Code", and a lot more. More or less, put that down to
teens.

So, if you're a wise adult, you probably wouldn't be surprised not
liking this movie. I, on the other hand, am a teen, and it's not
surprising enough that I enjoyed it very much so. Also, I like to
applaud Jayma Mays for her very funny role and others like Jennifer
Coolidge and Faune A. Chambers.

If you're a person who doesn't like stupid comedies with some immature
and childish jokes, unlike "Knocked Up", you should stay very far away
from this. Why would you see it? You know what to expect. If you're a
person who's in their teens or just like to have a good short time,
then watch this. There's no harm to go through it for a short 80
minutes.

Response from Head RAZZberry: Yo, moviewizguy, you asked in another posting where we got the idea you wanted to be a film critic (even though you incessantly defend every mediocre movie made).

Here's a Clue: Maybe we got the idea from...postings like this one?!?!?!

 

 



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by moviewizguy

My Review (7/10):

4 Children, Peter, Lucy, Edward and Susan, all find tickets to an epic
adventure but they're soon trapped by Willy Wonka. Soon Lucy finds a
wardrobe and steps into the magical world of Gnarnia and eventually the
four orphans are battling to save Edward and stop the white bitch!

For those who have seen "Date Movie" and hated it, you would probably
not watch this one since it was made by the same filmmakers and expect
this movie to be horrible, if not any worse. Well, is it bad? For me,
obviously not. It was much better than "Date Movie" and you can tell
the filmmakers that they actually changed some of their plans to make
this movie funnier. And it is.

I would compare this to "Monty Python's Holy Grail" because this film
has its shares of laughs and unfunny jokes. The good thing is the movie
is really quite refreshing in a way. Why? They never actually spoofed
fantasy movies before. Does it make a difference? Yes, it does.

What gets better in this movie other than the jokes are the elaborate
costumes, the extensive (and wonderful) set designs, special effects,
and score, if you care to know about any of that. Although you may
think it's a bigger budget than "Date Movie", it's surprisingly the
same, if that interests you.

The jokes in here are funny because it mocks other films, makes obvious
clichés and surprisingly turns them the other way, one continuing joke
which I found really funny even if it goes throughout the film, a joke
they continued from "Date Movie" (the obvious stunt double and dummy),
and the randomness.

The target audience is apparent: Those who have and liked "Date Movie"
or have seen the films spoofed in here, including "Nacho Libre," "The
Chronicles of Narnia," "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle," "Charlie
and the Chocolate Factory," the "X-Men" pictures, "Superman Returns",
"The Da Vinci Code", and a lot more. More or less, put that down to
teens.

So, if you're a wise adult, you probably wouldn't be surprised not
liking this movie. I, on the other hand, am a teen, and it's not
surprising enough that I enjoyed it very much so. Also, I like to
applaud Jayma Mays for her very funny role and others like Jennifer
Coolidge and Faune A. Chambers.

If you're a person who doesn't like stupid comedies with some immature
and childish jokes, unlike "Knocked Up", you should stay very far away
from this. Why would you see it? You know what to expect. If you're a
person who's in their teens or just like to have a good short time,
then watch this. There's no harm to go through it for a short 80
minutes.

Response from Head RAZZberry: Yo, moviewizguy, you asked in another posting where we got the idea you wanted to be a film critic (even though you incessantly defend every mediocre movie made).

Here's a Clue: Maybe we got the idea from...postings like this one?!?!?

                                                                                       You did not just compare this to "Monty Python And The Holy Grail"? Gee, you're dumber than I thought!

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 4:04pm

My mouth dropped open when I read that comparison to Monty Python and the Holy Grail as well. Moviewizguy, you have GOT to be kidding! Holy Grail was probably one of the 10 best comedy films ever made. Epic Movie was a throw away piece of crap. I won't claim that you have built a lot of credibility with me, but if you ever had any, you sold it with that one.



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 12:56am
Just as a quick followup, IMDB lists Monty Python and the Holy Grail at #6 among the best comedy films of all time. The list has its flaws; Ratatouille made the top 10 as well. But numerous credible sources place Holy Grail at least in the top 20. By comparison Epic Movie was #65 on IMDB's all-time worst comedy list. C'mon, moviewizguy. The Red Sox and the Devil Rays are both baseball teams. But one of them is good, the other isn't. Get it?

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 6:29am
...okay, so I have to basically go with the crowd? No. Monty Python wasn't that funny! You gotta be kidding that people actually laugh at those stuff? You have to (you really do) that there are a lot of jokes in Monty Python that fell flat and wasn't funny at all. God, some were just plain awful. Please, read my review again because I'm sticking with it. One is the same as the other. No better. No worse.


Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 6:33am

And why is it so hard for you to believe some people have different opinions than you?! People aren't like Hitlar, you know? People have different tastes in comedies! I love toilet and crude humor and I don't like the way Monty Python plays it's humor as much as the humor I'm used to. Jeez, you people need to have an opened mind and I even admitted that Epic Movie is for teens! If you gave 2 screenings of Epic Movie and Monty Python to all teens, many (trust me), MANY of them will prefer Epic Movie. I had a better time in Epic Movie than I did in Monty Python. MP were skits like in Satuday Night Live, where if one skit doesn't work, you will have to wait at least 5 minutes for the next one. See, I don't think the musicals work. The prince who has to marry that fat girl, did NOT work at all. The "Ni" people wasn't as funny as many thought it was. See, it's just about the taste! STOP BLAMING ME!

Response from Head RAZZberry: Wow! Sounds like you seriously need to calm down! First of all, I hardly think we're treating you like "Hitlar" (which, by the way, is spelled "Hitler"). Secondly, we're not blaming you, we're disagreeing with you -- Which, interestingly, is the very thing you think you're making a case for in this post. And lastly, anyone who thinks EPIC MOVIE was funnier than Monty Python definitely has a 180-degree different sense of humor than I do. Python (and specifically HOLY GRAIL) has had me laughing for decades (even with repeat viewings) while EPIC MOVIE got a total of maybe one semi-chuckle from me the one time I ever intend to view it.

So, moviewizguy, while I will defend your right to have opinions that differ from mine (and I have done so repeatedly in the past) I will not sacrifice my right to do the same. And, like it or not, I will continue to call you on our disagreements. If that's not something you can handle, I should think you'd have a difficult time posting your opinions on ANY Internet Forum, since sharing divergent reactions (and respecting one anothers' right to disagree) is what this kind of venue is supposed to be all about... 

 



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 6:35am

Here's my review for MP (7/10):

King Arthur is recruiting his Knights of the Round Table throughout England. After that, they are given a quest by God to find the Holy Grail with a few obstacles along the way.

This movie is known by many people as a comedy classic. I was thinking, "Wow! This must be a hilarious movie!" But was it a hilarious movie? For me, it wasn't. It was by far a decent movie that delivers mostly chuckles.

People have different tastes of humor. This movie, I think, is meant to play skit after another skit after another skit, like "The Ten" or "The Kentucky Fried Movie". Well, this was actually my first movie that has skits in it.

This movie has a fair share of bad skits and a bit more funny ones which is why I give it a decent rating. There are little parts of the film where it made me laugh out loud. I mostly chuckled throughout or sigh on the bad skits.

The cast has a fair share of the humor and they all get along well. Is this movie good? Well, for the most part, yeah. Was the movie hilarious? For the most part, no. I just thought it was a decent comedy but not anything special, though.



Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 8:03am
Here's hoping an African swallow drops a coconut on moviewizguy's head!

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Posted By: bruin_522
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 8:10am
OMG, moviewizguy, I think you just made a ton of enemies today. Monty Python NOT funny!? Hello!? Those Monty Python movies were totally hilarious. And though they were made in the '70s to the '80s, they're still making a whole lot of people laugh. And not to mention a whole lot of people enjoy quoting from those movies. I do that a lot with my cousins, who are big fans of those Monty Python movies. Even my mom, and my aunts and uncles would do that as well, and we still get ourselves laughing a lot.


Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 9:56am
I'm sure I've already made enough enemies.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 12:50pm

I don't choose friends (or enemies) on the basis of whether or not they agree or disagree with my particular points of view, particularly my tastes in comedy. But there is a point to be made (which has already been hinted at in a few previous posts). Monty Python and the Holy Grail was made over 30 years ago, and still has an enormous audience. I'm willing to bet that 30 years from now, you won't even be able to catch Epic Movie on a 2 A.M. showing on AMC.

I have no problem whatsover with the fact that EM appeals to your sense of humor (which you may find changes dramatically over the next few decades of your life). However, when you try to compare a minor, throw away comedy to a classic of the comedy genre, expect disagreement.

I will give you credit for this: At least you didn't compare it to, say, City Lights. If you had, I'd have had to pay you a visit.



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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 1:18pm

So moviewizguy (the Will Rogers of movie-goers -- he's never seen a movie he actually didn't like) has the temerity to suggest that the incredibly UN-funny and derivative "Epic Movie" is actually funnier than the classic "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"??  For your edification (a big word that stands for something you seem desperately in need of) the current list of All Time BEST Movies on the IMDb lists "MP&HG" at #53 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/ - LINK ) while their list of All Time WORST Movies has "Epic Movie" listed at #65 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799949/ - LINK ). So it appears blatantly obvious that there are a lot more serious movie-lovers who prefer Python to that pile of steaming cliche's you suggest is a modern comedy classic...

And thank God for that -- If I thought there were more people as simple-minded as moviewizguy in the world than there are connoisseurs of Monty and their Flying Circus, I'd have to seriously consider becoming a world-class agorophobe.

Oh, and by the way: Your spelling of "Hitlar" was PRICELESS!!



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 2:32pm
Please, read again. I found both of them the same, no better, no worse.


Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 2:56am

According to moviewizguy, "Epic Movie" is "no better, no worse" than "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"???

Sorry, Dude -- Yer still an idiot!! 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Let's try and refrain from personal attacks on this Forum. Clearly, many of us completely disagree with moviewizguy, but let's remain respectful of his right to have a divergent opinion...



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 9:08am

"Edification?"

Darn, #1 Slyfan is really going to blast us now

 



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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 4:41pm

Wow.  Hey, MWG, let me give you an example where I diverge from nearly everyone else. 

I liked the first half of Good Luck Chuck.  There were plent of jokes that fell flat, but there were so many things that made me laugh, I didn't mind, and neither did the rest of the audience.  It was great.  Now, most critics, and a good number of people, disagree with me.  They didn't like either half of the movie.  But that's okay.

Monty Python in general, and The Holy Grail being second for me only to The Meaning of Life, cracks me up.  It's so absurd, all the way from "I'm not dead yet!" to "Help!  Help!  I'm being repressed!" to "I said it again!  I said it again!" to "You shall not count to 3 unless you proceed thereto to 4.  5 is right out." to "African or European?" to "I fart in your general direction".  Again, there were many things in that movie I didn't feel were funny, but there was plenty of things that made me laugh that I didn't mind.  In this case, most people seem to agree with me.

Epic Movie was a total waste.  I hardly laughed.  It's really sad when Carmen Elektra gives one of the better performances, and I'm not saying Elektra's Mystique was good.  The funniest scene for me was when they discovered the universal remote from Click and started massacring the "paused" enemy horde.  That doesn't make up for seeing a centaur swap spit with a beaver, though.  I'm glad I saw it at the cheap theatre, so I didn't spend that much on such an awful movie.  Most people agree with me.

You don't.  That's fine.  But don't be surprised if people challenge you on it.



Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 5:29pm

It probably should be noted that not only is Holy Grail a generally accepted comedy classic, but here we are 30 some years later, and the stage adaptation (Spamelot) is one of the hottest tickets on Broadway and a Tony winner to boot.

Shocking prediction here: Epic Movie  will never, ever be adapted to the stage.



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 12:21pm
Obviously...


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:13am

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Obviously...

So how do you make a legitimate comparison between the two movies? What is your basis for comparison?

If I might return to the baseball analogy that I started earlier: It's entirely okay to be a Devil Rays' fan. If you are, its entirely okay to be less enthusiastic about the Red Sox. However, if you are going to make a comparison suggesting that the two are equivalent entities in the world of baseball, this season or over the course of their respective histories,  you are going to have to come up with some legitimate quantification for that argument, lest your claim forfeits any intellectual validity.



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 11:55am

I review movies only based on their first viewing, not any more. Well, SOMETIMES I do review a movie after a 5th viewing, but that's rare.

Response from Head RAZZberry: One of the hallmarks of a great  movie (as opposed to a merely "good" movie) is that it can be viewed over and over again, still imparting enjoyment for the viewer with each repeated watching. Among my All Time Favorite "great movies," I have probably seen my Top Ten favorites an average of 6-10 times apiece. My #1 movie of all time, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043014/ - SUNSET BLVD , I can honestly say I've seen so many times I cannot accurately guess at the number. I would also have to say that MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL (of which I own a Special Edition DVD) would rank near the top of my All-Time Great Comedies list...

More out of morbid curiosity than anything else, I feel compelled to ask you, moviewizguy -- what do you consider to be the Ten Best Movies of All Time?? 

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 1:24pm
You'll forgive me, moviewizguy, if I fail to understand how your statement above answers my question?

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 1:46pm

moviewizguy, you're not making a lick of sense...

 



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Posted By: bruin_522
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 2:21pm

What about those old classics Mel Brooks did, like the original Producers, Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein? Those movies still remain classics...

Response from Head RAZZberry: Along with HOLY GRAIL, I'd have to list http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072431/ - YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN among my All-Time Favorite Comedies as well... 

 

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 4:02pm
no argument

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 9:07am

1. Titanic
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Signs
4. Crash
5. King Kong (2005)
6. Pan’s Labyrinth
7. Memento
8. Million Dollar Baby
9. Akeelah and the Bee
10. Finding Nemo

Response from Head RAZZberry: I am suprised to find myself saying this, but...overall, a mostly defensible, if eclectic, list. In fact, several of your titles are among my favorites of the last few years. Since there's nothing you list that's over 10 years old, though, I'd say you need to start viewing older movies to get some perspective. Anyone who thinks Peter Jackson's over-long/over-loud 2005 remake of KING KONG is among the 10 best movies ever made has, I will generously assume, not seen the incredible 1933 original (which, for its time, was a milestone in creature creation and animation)... 

 



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Posted By: wetbandit82
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 1:52pm

Mel Brooks should come back to the screen; he never really lost his touch in my opinion, and the world in a sense needs him now.  His influence on me has been immeasurable; Spaceballs is one of the films that truly had a positive effect on my life (incredible as it may sound to say that); the others by and large still hold up very well too.   

Originally posted by bruin_522

What about those old classics Mel Brooks did, like the original Producers, Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein? Those movies still remain classics...

Response from Head RAZZberry: Along with HOLY GRAIL, I'd have to list http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072431/ - YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN among my All-Time Favorite Comedies as well... 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 2:48am

At 81, Brooks is still making film and televison appearances now and then, but it's unlikely we'll see another movie from him, unless he does it independently. Starting with History of the World Part 1 his movies have been lukewarm attractions at the box-office and generally not well received with the critics. A quick review leaves no mystery as to why he has faded into the background: To Be or Not To Be, Life Stinks (so did the movie), Robin Hood; Men in Tights and the pain in the neck (sorry) Dracula; Dead and Loving It.

Clearly, if Brooks hadn't already established himself as a legitimate master in the comedy genre, we'd probably be discussing his qualifications for a lifetime achievement award on this site. It's probably best that we continue to appreciate all of those earlier classics (let's not forget Silent Movie and High Anxiety) and not lobby too hard for anything else. 

Response from Head RAZZberry: You overlooked Brooks' latest incarnation, as an author/lyricist for hit Broadway musicals (from which I assume he makes a heck of a lot more money than he ever made with his movies). The Tony-winning hit THE PRODUCERS is currently still playing on Broadway, with incarnations around the world (including Las Vegas) and his next, a musical adaptation of YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN, is set to open on Broadway berry soon. It is interesting to note that the 2005 film version of http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=producers.htm - PRODUCERS was, like most of Brooks' recent movie output, a box office dud...



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Posted By: bruin_522
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 3:02pm
Brooks did the voice of Big Weld in the Animated film ROBOTS, which came out in 2005. It made like $128.2 Million at the U.S. Box Office back in '05, but I never called it a Box Office hit.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 4:45pm

You overlooked Brooks' latest incarnation, as an author/lyricist for hit Broadway musicals

Actually, I didn't overlook it, I'm just not sure Brooks has all that much to do with it apart from cashing the checks. The guess here is that Brooks' actual involvement in any of the Broadway projects is somewhere between minimal and non-existant, although I'm confident that someone will correct me if I am in error on the point. 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Brooks is credited (and actually received Tony Awards) as both the author and lyricist and for the Broadway musical of THE PRODUCERS (which had about 7 or more original songs not featured in the 1967 film). While it is possible that someone was hired to "ghost" the lyrics, they certainly have the same tone and silly sensibility as most of Brooks' previous works. So I'd have to argue with your claim that Mel's involvement is "somewhere between minimal and non-existant"... 

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 9:46am

After some further investigation, argument on the point is unnecessary, and I joyfully throw in the towel. Having heard that Brooks had been deeply affected by the passing of Anne Bancroft, I had some doubts that Brooks was particularly involved in the Broadway adaptation of Young Frankenstein. However, word from inside the production is that Brooks is, in fact, deeply involved in the project, and wrote 16 new songs for it.

I'm truly glad that he is still making significant contributions, but I continue to balk at the notion that any further film releases from him would stand much of a chance of rivaling his earlier glory.



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:32am

One major complaint: "Titanic". I HATED "Titanic". Also, I found "Akeelah And The Bee" and "Million Dollar Baby" to be a bit overrated, although I can see why people liked them. I thought you didn't like "Memento"??

Originally posted by moviewizguy

1. Titanic
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Signs
4. Crash
5. King Kong (2005)
6. Pan’s Labyrinth
7. Memento
8. Million Dollar Baby
9. Akeelah and the Bee
10. Finding Nemo

 

                                                                                           

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 1:28pm

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter 

                                                                                           I thought you didn't like "Memento".

I'm glad you mentioned , Schumacher. I thought I was getting my posters confused. So what is the story there, moviewizguy? You blasted Memento elsewhere on this board, then come back and list it among your favorites?



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 1:33pm
Another thing about the list that I forgot to add: only "Memento", "Pan's Labrynth", and "Pulp Fiction" seem worthy of being on a best ever list. Also, I recommend "Unforgiven" and "Schindler's List" to you. They're my second and fifth favorite movie of all time, respectively...

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 1:46pm
...I did list "Memento"? I forgot...

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 1:46pm
maybe that explains why Memento gets more boring the more you watch but I shall stick to movie reviews for my first viewing.


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 1:50pm
"Memento"... boring?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

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Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 5:18pm
Ok Moviewizguy, just when I finally wrapped my head around you not liking the Usual Suspects , you just had to go and compare Epic movie to the Holy Grail. Although I'm not Jewish: "Oy vey!".  It's cool though, I think it's nice to have different opinions, even if I wouldn't agree with them if Dick Cheney was pointing a gun full of birdshot at my head at point blank range. (Just kidding).


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 3:08am

I wasn't going to comment overall on moviewizguy's list, which, I tend to agree, isn't a bad list. Given that most of us here, or at least I, have made a few more trips around the sun than mwg, I'm not entirely surprised that his list is heavily weighted towards reasonably recent films. Still, I would suggest rounding your movie experiences with some true classics, most of which have a weightier vintage. For example:

Gone With the Wind

Citizen Kane

Dr. Zhivago

City Lights

Schindler's List

Lawrence of Arabia

The  Lost Weekend

The Godfather (1 and 2)

Casablanca

The Birds

To Kill a Mockingbird

A Clockwork Orange

The Great Dictator

Ghandi

Blade Runner

Fantasia

I could go on and on, and it would be difficult for me to come up with a personal top 10. However, to really appreciate the power and magic of cinema, avoid at all costs the trap of limiting yourself to the past 15 years or so.



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 8:10am
Here's my top 8: 8.) "Dirty Harry", 7.) "300", 6.) "The Usual Suspects", 5.) "Schindler's List", 4.) "American History X", 3.) "A Clockwork Orange", 2.) "Unforgiven", and 1.) "The Departed".

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 9:55am

I've seen some old films...but they don't make it on my top 10. They usually make it on my top 50, because they aren't THAT good. I saw To Kill a Mockingbird but it was THAT good. If you want to see my top 50, here:

Titanic
Pulp Fiction
Signs
Crash
King Kong (2005)
Pan’s Labyrinth
Memento
Million Dollar Baby
Akeelah and the Bee
Finding Nemo
United 93
Minority Report
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Fargo
House of Flying Daggers
The Village
Hotel Rwanda
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
The Sixth Sense
The Polar Express
Shrek
Spirited Away
Being John Malkovich
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
V for Vendetta
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
Apollo 13
Blood Diamond
Happy Feet
Se7en
Gangs of New York
The Incredibles
It’s a Wonderful Life
Mission Impossible 3
Spider-Man 2
Pleasantville
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Cellular
In Her Shoes
Batman Begins
Click
The Butterfly Effect
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
World Trade Center
300
Saw
War of the Worlds (2005)



Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 12:57pm

With all due respect, there hasn't been a film made in the past 10 years that could come close to To Kill A Mockingbird. Gregory Peck's portrayal of Atticus Finch will live forever among the finest performances in cinematic history. I'm not sure it would make my top 10, if pinned down, but quite honestly, there isn't a single film among your top ten that would likely make my top 100. Among your top 50, there are 4 that would get some consideration for my top 100, a couple might crack the top 50. (since someone will probably ask, Hotel Rwanda--maybe, Bridge Over the River Kwai--maybe, It's a Wonderful Life--good shot, Pleasantville--probably sort of a personal preference but I did like it so-- maybe) There are, to be sure, some very good movies on your list, but I suspect that when AFI does their 150 years of great movies sometime in the future, very few of them will knock off films that are on the list now.

I suppose there might be some difficulty for someone in your age group, and I don't mean to be condescending, just stating a fact, to appreciate the context of To Kill a Mockingbird. The films that live to become classics tend to have a profound significance at a moment in history, but also a timelessness that carries forward. At the point where you can dismiss a movie like TKAM by suggesting it isn't that good, perhaps you need to ask yourself what other people saw for 3 or 4 generations  that you are missing. 

Originally posted by moviewizguy

I've seen some old films...but they don't make it on my top 10. They usually make it on my top 50, because they aren't THAT good. I saw To Kill a Mockingbird but it was THAT good.



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Posted By: Alaninho
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 1:13pm
No offense saturn, but your accusation that moviewiz's leaning towards movies of a certain era is hypocritical, as you yourself admit to being much more appreciative of older movies. I personally think there have been some great movies over the last 10 years. I have only really gotten into movies over the last 5 years so I've been trying to catch up for lost time (around 80 years worth). I can appreciate older movies - the last two pictures i watched were Nosferatu and Sunset Boulevard, but I still find myself often preferring recent ones.

I just don't really like the whole 'movie era' debate, people cannot help what they prefer. We all are possibly products of our generation anyway.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 3:48pm

Whoa, Nellie! First of all, my criticism of mwg's list lies in the fact that by my quick count, 45 of the 50 movies on his list have been released in the past 15 years (that is admittedly a rapid count, and my be off by a couple either way, and relies somewhat on sketchy memory of certain years of release). However, I'd say that is a significant overrepresentation. Nor would I argue the fact some very good movies have been made in the past decade. BUT, quite honestly, some of the offerings most likely to achieve classic status are not necessairly represented. (For the sake of argument, and none of these are guaranteed of success, but are worthy of discussion: L.A. Confidential, Saving Private Ryan, Mullholland Drive et al)

 It may well be that some contemporary movies that I am not enthusiastic about may well survive the test of time and become classics. But should we not, even in this instant gratification society, exercise the patience to let time judge? Most of the films that I have listed above (which cover a span of more than 60 years) have met that critera and remain treasures of the artform. Let's let the modern offerings be subjected to that same test.

In point of fact, if you will be kind enough to actually go back and read my post, I didn't deny the possibility that movies on his list could, indeed, eventually find their way among the all time classics, although I doubt a whole lot of them will. (That of course, is a matter of opinion, a base upon which I offer no claim of infallibility)

Were I to submit a list weighted 90% towards films released between 1970 and 1985, I'd have to acknowledge criticisms of temporal bias. If that list is presented as my all time 50 favorites, there is, in reality, very little room for argument. You may not agree with my tastes, but at the end of the day, my personal tastes are really mine alone to live with. If, on the other hand, I am trying to represent that list as a 50 greatest of all time by some reasonable criteria, the argument of natural temporal bias becomes indefensible. I point out that it was a list of that nature that was the subject of the question posed by Head Razz. 

Originally posted by Alaninho

No offense saturn, but your accusation that moviewiz's leaning towards movies of a certain era is hypocritical, as you yourself admit to being much more appreciative of older movies. I personally think there have been some great movies over the last 10 years.



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Posted By: Sanndman228715
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 5:23pm

Schumacherh8ter, with you giving respect to Brian Cox ( My favorite actor), and having Unforgiven, The Usual Suspects, The Departed, and a Clockwork Orange in your top ten: I think this is the beginning of a long friendship.



Posted By: Alaninho
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 1:14am
I see your point. I think it was mostly your first statement i held disagreement with, that there hasn't been a film in the past 10 years that comes close to 'To Kill A Mockingbird'. I agree it's a great film, but I think your statement will be proven wrong, although as you say only time will tell. I agree that moviewiz's tastes are somewhat distorted, but that's probably due to his age (around 15 i'm assuming).

Also moviewiz, people are annoyed by some of your comments because they go beyond opinion. Saying you don't like a film very much is different to saying it isn't very good.


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 8:26am

How ironic! I, too, am 15...

Originally posted by Alaninho

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Posted By: Alaninho
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 12:33pm
and do you disagree? what is your opinion of your peers?


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 12:48pm

Not to bash on my peers, but they have bad taste. A bunch of kids say that the movie currently under disscussion is the "funniest movie of the year". Then, there was the girl that sat next to me in Math. She loved "The Lake House" and is a big fan of the Wayans. Note: she was failing Math. I sat next to her and graded a lot of the Problems Of The Day, and she usually got a 0 or a 1, while I got a 3 (the maximum score). Then, there's the kids that thought that "Freddy Got Fingered" was "the bomb". Well it was a bomb! Note: I mean no ill will to my peers, except one of the "Epic Movie" kids. She annoyed the hell out of me.



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 3:07pm
Well, Life Boat was my first Hitchcock film and I didn't find most of it suspenseful or tense. There are some good scenes, but it wasn't like a masterpiece. TKAM was great, but I was kinda disappointed on them skipping many things in the book that were good, and it felt rushed.


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 7:18pm

I'm slowly suffering through White Chicks currently.  After all the great movies about men pretending to be women (like Some Like It Hot and Tootsie), you'd think the Wayans could have come up with something better than White Chicks.  And then there's the dreadful Little Man.

So, am I hearing you right?  With the exception of a few like you, most 15 year olds where you live think Epic Movie, The Lake House, White Chicks, Little Man and Freddy Got Fingered are great movies?  I'm glad none of these movies grossed more than $65 million, and with the exception of Little Man, none of the others grossed more than $50 million.  That means that their parents didn't give them money to see these movies on first release, so they had to see them at the cheap theatres, wait for the rentals or watched them on cable.  Then again, I wonder what's going to happen to movie-going when they become adults?

My brain hurts just thinking about it! 

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Not to bash on my peers, but they have bad taste. A bunch of kids say that the movie currently under disscussion is the "funniest movie of the year". Then, there was the girl that sat next to me in Math. She loved "The Lake House" and is a big fan of the Wayans. Note: she was failing Math. I sat next to her and graded a lot of the Problems Of The Day, and she usually got a 0 or a 1, while I got a 3 (the maximum score). Then, there's the kids that thought that "Freddy Got Fingered" was "the bomb". Well it was a bomb! Note: I mean no ill will to my peers, except one of the "Epic Movie" kids. She annoyed the hell out of me.



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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 7:47pm

Coming at moviewizguy's list from a different angle.

MWG, of the movies I've seen on your list, I found Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow and the recent War of the Worlds to be weak.  We already discussed Lemony Snicket--to put it another way, it so bastardized the stories it was on the verge of being a totally different movie altogether.  The other two suffered from very weak (or in the case of WotW, non-existent) plots. 

The ones on your list I saw that I really liked are TitanicSigns, Crash, King Kong (2005) (except for the scene of stampeding brontosauruses, which stank), Million Dollar BabyFinding NemoMinority Report, The Bridge on the River Kwai (good choice), Fargo, House of Flying DaggersShrek, Spirited Away (love this movie), Harry Potter and the Prisoner of AzkabanApollo 13, Blood DiamondGangs of New York, The IncrediblesSpider-Man 2 (I was looking forward to Doc Ock, and except for the drag in the beginning, this movie was great), Batman BeginsTerminator 2: Judgment Day and 300.

I agree with many here, though, that you need to watch more older movies.  I see you liked The Bridge on the River Kwai.  Have you watched CasablancaGone with the WindThe GodfatherThe Godfather Part IIThe Shawshank RedemptionThe Apartment?   The GraduateHigh NoonInherit the Wind?   A Night at the OperaNorth by NorthwestSingin' in the RainThe StingThelma & LouiseTo Catch a ThiefTo Have and Have Not?  These are among some of my favorite movies.  If you haven't, rent them.  If you have, what do you think?

I see you list It's a Wonderful Life by Frank Capra.  May I also recommend other movies by Capra, like It Happened One Night, where you'll see Clark Gable turn in possibly his best performance.  And if you like that one, check out Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and Mr. Deeds Goes to Town.  I found these movies to be delightful.  Maybe you can compare that last one with Adam Sandler's Mr. Deeds, and let us know which one you think is funnier...

 



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Posted By: Alaninho
Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 4:22am

I actually liked Lemony Snicket - But I've never read the original books (that may be why). I went into the movie with no preconceptions and, while it wasn't amazing, it was different and entertaining...

 



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 8:45am

There's one more peer of mine with bad taste that I forgot to mention. She had, arguably, the worst taste of anyone I've meet, save for my dad. She liked every single Sandra Bullock movie, especially "The Lake House" and "Hope Floats". She's also, a fan of "Catwoman" and "Spice World". From what I gather, the oldest movie that she saw on her own was "Scarface". The class we were taking was Communications, and the teacher showed us several movies. Five movies older than "Scarface" that we watched that were: "Modern Times", "Casablanca", and the original "Star Wars" trilogy. With the exception, of "Casablanca", she hated all of them. Her favorite movie is "Sweet Home Alabama"! 

 



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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 9:22am

Some people can't handle silent movies, while others hate science fiction.  The fact that she liked Casablanca, Sweet Home Alabama and Sandra Bullock movies means she likes romance.  Run with it.  Show her Roman Holiday, Father Goose, The Apartment, Breakfast at Tiffany's, An American in Paris and other movies that, if they're not outright romances, have a strong element of romance in them. 



Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 2:08pm

Admittedly, there were some movies that I  thought were pretty cool when I was 15 that I can't believe I even sat through. Oh sure, Raquel Welch looked pretty hot in that sea-shell bikini in One Million B.C. (that was the name of the movie, not the year it was made, you whippersnappers), but it was still dreadful. So I don't want to be too hard on the younger participants here, but I would certainly challenge moviewizguy to copy down that top fifty he created above, seal it away in a lock box, and look at it again in, say 30 years. The bet here is that three decades from now, he'll spend a lot of time shaking his head in disbelief!

 



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 2:52am
I, too, have seen "One Million B.C.". And it was crap. The movie: . Ms. Welch however:

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Posted By: Criss808
Date Posted: October 19 2007 at 1:42pm

I guess you could say this was an "EPICLY "BAD" MOVIE"!!!

I bet there's gonna be 150 more sequels!



Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: October 29 2007 at 1:44pm

BIG NEWS. These guys are making "Meet the Spartans". Here's the trailer and link in IMDb: http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid= 20263260 - http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&am p;videoid= 20263260

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073498/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073498/

BIG PROBLEM: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059887/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1059887/

Now that's pretty awkward....ANYWAY, my thoughts on the trailer: VERY FUNNY! Can't wait to see your reactions...



Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 9:03am

I got more tales of kids with bad taste! Today in TV Production, I was getting grilled by kids on movies. I got all of my questions right. I also gave my opinions of the movies. Most of the kids were girls, and all they mentioned were insipid chick flicks. The aforemented "The Lake House", "Prime", "You've Got Mail", "While You Were Sleeping", and "The Family Stone" were all mentioned. But, my favorite reaction was for the Keanu Reeves/Charlize Theron remake of "Sweet November". A girl said that was her favorite movie. I mentioned that I thought it was horrific. I, also, mentioned the film's three Razzie nominations. She seemed mad.

Also, "Meet The Spartans" is gonna blow big time!

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Not to bash on my peers, but they have bad taste. A bunch of kids say that the movie currently under disscussion is the "funniest movie of the year". Then, there was the girl that sat next to me in Math. She loved "The Lake House" and is a big fan of the Wayans. Note: she was failing Math. I sat next to her and graded a lot of the Problems Of The Day, and she usually got a 0 or a 1, while I got a 3 (the maximum score). Then, there's the kids that thought that "Freddy Got Fingered" was "the bomb". Well it was a bomb! Note: I mean no ill will to my peers, except one of the "Epic Movie" kids. She annoyed the hell out of me.

                                                                                               

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: November 21 2007 at 9:31am

Just saw Prime...and liked it. 

 



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: November 22 2007 at 11:30am
"Prime" blew. Not even Meryl Streep and the drop-dead-gorgeous Uma Thurman could save it.

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Posted By: Nadir007
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 6:42am
I just saw Epic Movie. Why? Why did I do that to myself?

I think the preparatory notes for the script would have looked like...

Party at Aslan's camp, scene IV. Ideas: I've drunk a lot of beer at the behest of my companions (set up for a slapstick joke), now I will "projectile vomit" it over passing people. Maybe they don't seem to mind much. Ambiguous but I'm sure it will work. Need to insert some kind of amusing justification for the 2 minutes this scene will take. Maybe we'll think of something when we're shooting. No, better idea: draw it out for as long as possible. I've seen Mike Myers do that. This will be great!

I feel like seeing Monty Python's Holy Grail now.


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Posted By: Jack Spencer Jr
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 11:25am
I have also just seem this... thing. I hesitate to call it a movie. And it was rubbish. Granted, it still wasn't the worst movie I have ever seen. That movie remains Doogal.

If I were to posit a reason why Epic Movie is so epically bad, to regurgitate the overused pun, I would say it's because they didn't write enough joke.

Yes, i know. The movie is pretty much just jokes from end-to-end. The problem is, most of them fail. (Not all of them. It shames me, but I harrumphed a few times here and there) The dirty little secret in script writing, particularly comedy writing is to always write a lot more jokes than you'll need. This way, when you cut out most of them, what's left will be the creme de la creme. Well, not only did the writers here not do that, they repeated many of the jokes in hopes that repetition will make unfunny jokes funny.

Unfortunately, for what this movie was, it had decent enough production values and a cast of incredibly good sports. If they'd actually managed to write a funny script, then maybe we wouldn't be talking about this movie here.

In other words, I agree with the nomination for this movie in the Worst Screenplay category. It will have flaccid competition and may not win, but it definitely deserves the nod since it's the script that really steered this movie wrong.


Posted By: thomsonmg2000
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:04am
When this movie 1st came out, I thought I should rent this when it comes out on DVD, thinking that it was a "regular" quality spoof along the line of the PG-13 Scary Movies.

But upon reading the hateful reviews for this movie, however, I said "hell no, not watching this".

I really wished this piece of crap "won" more stuff, like worst director or worst picture, instead of worst actress (Carmen Electra). BTW, comparing this crap to Monty Python and the Holy Grail = Blasphemy. They should never be mentioned in the same sentence unless Epic Movie is followed by "is sht compared to"

BTW, here's a nice link completely demolishing this movie. Makes me glad that I have not watched Epic(failure) Movie

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Epic_Movie_2007.aspx - http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Epic_Movie_2007.aspx


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Posted By: movieman
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by thomsonmg2000

When this movie 1st came out, I thought I
should rent this when it comes out on DVD, thinking that it was a
"regular" quality spoof along the line of the PG-13 Scary Movies.But upon
reading the hateful reviews for this movie, however, I said "hell no, not
watching this". I really wished this piece of crap "won" more stuff, like
worst director or worst picture, instead of worst actress (Carmen Electra).
BTW, here's a nice link completely demolishing this movie. Makes me glad
that I have not watched Epic(failure)
Movie http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Epic_Movie_2007.aspx -
http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Epic_Movie_2007.aspx

I was appalled when I found out it dodged a Worst Picture nod, because
Norbit was seeming funnier by the second as I was watching this
garbage dump of a movie..


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 14 2008 at 8:18am
"Epic Movie" did deserve a Worst Picture nod. "I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry" may have sucked, but it didn't reach the awful levels of "Epic Movie". While we're on the subject, "Daddy Day Camp" was godawful, but not as awful as "Captivity"...   

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Posted By: markk
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 10:53pm
I have never seen EPIC MOVIE, but after what you guys are saying, I dont think i'll bother. It'll help to save me some money.

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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 2:58am

Originally posted by markk

I have never seen EPIC MOVIE, but after what you guys are saying, I dont think i'll bother. It'll help to save me some money.

That's cool, man. That's what the Razzies are all about, helping the movie going public from seeing bad movies and wasting their money on them, thus more bad movies won't be made (in theory).



Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 2:14pm
Seltz-berg are worst filmmakers ever!

In SCARY MOVIE,they wrote separately from the other 4.Probably this 2 wrote the bad parts only.

I do consider this to be their least worst.


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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by Vits

Seltz-berg are worst filmmakers ever!

In SCARY MOVIE,they wrote separately from the other 4.Probably this 2 wrote the bad parts only.

I do consider this to be their least worst.
I don't know, saying this is their "least worst" is kinda like saying "In The Name of the King" is Uwe Boll's "best" movie. It's not much of an honor.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 21 2010 at 1:00pm
I know.That's what I meant.After all,like I said,they are the worst filmmakers.

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