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Category: 2005 Film Discussions
Forum Name: Why Didn't ANYONE Go to the Movies in 2005???
Forum Discription: Grosses are down, attendance is lagging...and Tinsel Town's gagging. VOTE whether 2005 deserves to be labeled Hollywood's Worst Movie Year EVER!!
URL: http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27
Printed Date: July 31 2014 at 5:13pm


Topic: The product sux, tix are 2 costly, ETC. E
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: The product sux, tix are 2 costly, ETC. E
Date Posted: July 13 2005 at 3:13am
Let us know your theories as to why this year's Hollywood product is being rejected by audiences everywhere. We have some interesting theories of our own, which we MAY share later on...



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Posted By: AmazinM
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 2:54am

I love we're discussing this. 

Yahoo! had a message board for this and 1000's responded.  It ranged from ticket prices, and expensive popcorn, and ads before the movies, but I think it boils down to unoriginal work in a world where everyone is writing a screenplay.

Can't we get the studio exec's some therapy to resolve their childhood issues instead of being subjected to endless remake of their childhood movies and tv shows!

And to make it worse.... the movies are just boring.  Not even bad enough to deserve Razzie consideration.  Razzies don't celebrate the beige, bland and pap.  They celebrate amazingly bad films that happen in the middle of great egos, formerly witty scripts or just disasters in general.

What does everyone else think?



Posted By: AmazinM
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 3:17am

Just an fyi -

this very topic is being discussed right now - Thursday morning July 14th - on KPCC on Airtalk with Larry Mantle. 

They will have an audio link for it on Friday, July 15th, if anyone is interested in hearing it.  The site info is http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/index.shtml - http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/index.shtml

 



Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: July 14 2005 at 2:32pm

It's not just that everyone is writing a screenplay -- It's that it seems like ANYONE can get their screenplay produced these daze! By the way --Anyone out there already got choices as 2005's BERRY Worst Picture, Actor and/or Actress??



Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 7:49am
Is it too much to ask for something different and original, or has
Hollywood
run out of ideas? I am tired of remake after remake of TV shows I HATED!
What is next, a remake of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea with Jason
Alexander and Dan Ackroyd? A Big Screen version of KNIGHT RIDER with
Wil
Wheaton? Sanford and Son with Melvin and Mario Van Peebles?

Good Lord, they're doing a remake of THE PERSUADERS with Ben Stiller as
Tony Curtis. Have they NO SHAME?

I'm still trying to recover from the sneak preview of Steve Martin in the
Pink
Panther where the audience booed all the way through it..

Besides, I hate being stuck in a theater where the soundtrack is drowned
out
by 50 narcissitic nincompoops nattering on cell phones and you got to
take out a second mortgage to buy popcorn and Coca Cola...


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 8:10am
Angry...but sadly, TRUE!!!!  


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 8:12am
Here's one of MY Pet Theories about why movie grosses are going down the ter-let in 2005: Movie-goers have finally figured out that, instead of paying $10 a pop to see the movie again-and-again in the theatres, they can now OWN it on DVD for less than $20, if they're willing to wait about 90 daze. This especially explains why, in 2004 six films hit $250 million and this year,  NOTHING except SWE3: REVENGE OF THE SITH has done that well at the box office (this was written July 15th, 2005, when this statement was still true -- Wanna BET it'll STILL be true come December 31??   )...

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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 8:47am

These ridiculous ticket prices for one. Why are tickets more than the minimum wage? Why are we paying actors $20 million a movie? Tom Cruise may not like doctors but he certainly likes money. You'll never hear him say:

"You don't know the history of economics Matt Lauer, I do. Money is a dangerous, psychologically addicting thing"

Whatever...



Posted By: Olif
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 8:47am
Mr. "Headberry" is correct! Since movies tickets are costing around $10.00 a pop (and now creaping to $11.00 in some areas), and with the price of popcorn at $3.00 for a container that costs 30 cents to pop, and soda pop at $2.50 (around 75 cents to a dollar if purchased somewhere else), plus trekking to the overblown multiplex sometimes PAYING for parking, and what do you get? Around 110 minutes for the feature, plus 20 minutes for the "commericals" and trailers (trailers are OK, while commercials are "ick"), one's total come to around two hours of entertaiment for the price (based upon double occupancy) of around $31.00 MINIMUM! And blame it on the movie studios! They are the ones "shooting themselves in the foot" for releaseing DVD titles for $18.00 to $23.00 (new releases--catalog title cost a whole lot less) that also contain "bonus features" that are at times better than the feature itself! Worse, many movies on DVD have "deleated scenes", that makse the movies seen on a DVD the complete version. What one sees in a movie theatre is the "first draft". In other words, you pay half price ($10.00) to see 80% of a movie in a theatre, while for the full price (around $20.00) you see 110% of the movie via DVD!

However, the only advantage is seeing a film in a movin' picture is the emotional appeal! (Seeing a film in a darken room loaded with strangers who laugh, cry, yell, scream, barf, etc. with the movie), and it's an excuse to get out of the house for a few hours!

Bah!!

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I like Pixie Stix!


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 9:00am
How many times can Batman Begin or Superman Return?

Foreign movies still tend to be original, like The Vanishing or Insomnia.
When Hollywood gets their hands on them, they turn into bland remakes.
Seems that you have to have a REVERSE Midas touch to get into the movie
industry now!


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 4:20pm
What about all these Japanese horror movie remakes? Why didn't people just go see the original?


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: July 17 2005 at 7:56am

Looks like Willy Wonka and the Goth Factory might break the box office slump. I guess it takes some one like Tim Burton to break the comic book adaptation curse.

Is this the second biggest Tim Burton movie ever?



Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: July 17 2005 at 4:27pm
Ah, but mere box office (and especially opening weekend box office, these daze) does not a Good Movie make...

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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: Frigidus
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 3:53pm

Heh, tell that to the movie studios.

 



Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 4:00pm

Maybe I should have said "mere box office does not guarantee RAZZIE® Immunity." A number of times over our first 25 years, Boffo B.O. Hitz (like RAMBEAU II, COCKTAIL and INDECENT PROPOSAL) have gone on to "win" Worst Picture.

And in 2005, all that opening weekend numbers indicate is how well the advertising worked to suckers sitters into seats for the first 72 hours. It's no coincidence that second weekend drop-offs of 60% or more are now an almost weekly occurence...

No wonder H-O-L-L-Y-W-O-O-D has suddenly become...

BAWL-y-wood!!



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 4:21pm

Oh yeah I almost forgot. The economy sucks thanks to Emperor Bush and his tax cuts to all his corporate raiders buddies who rob employees of their livelihoods.

No money, no one goes to the Box Office. How about fixing the economy and maybe raising the minimum wage to $9 bucks? (the cost of a movie ticket).



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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 4:31am

Last night on Nightline (without Ted Koppel and his hair) there was a segment on the box office draught. Everyone had a theory as to why no one is going to the theater. They looked at Gallup and Harris polls, maybe they should have looked at the Razzies forum page.

More than 70% said they would rather see a movie at home than at the theater. I'm not one of them but I still would like to see ticket prices drop.



Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: August 09 2005 at 11:27pm

Box office is down mostly because Americans Know Basic Math. In their attempt to move DVDs off store shelves, studios have continued to lower their sale prices until it now costs LESS to BUY the movie on DVD (average price $15-$20) than it costs for TWO TICKETS (average price $20+) to see it ONCE in a theatre (complete with TV ads tacked on the front, patrons talking to both the screen and their cell phones throughout, and candy counter prices more apropriate to 1920s Germany!)

In other words, Tinsel Town's OWN GREED is what's done them in!



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 4:27am

Well then maybe the Hollywood "geniuses" should, oh I don't know, lower the price! Or how about the old double-feature gimmick?

You have the same distractions at home: the phone, the annoying Jehovas Witness knocking on the door, screaming kids, the drive by shooting down the street. If I had a 30 foot screen in my living room I'd never go to the theater. Untill then I'll just have to drag myself to the movies.



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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: Frigidus
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 4:00pm
Dude, movies are illegally available on the internet even months  before their theatrical release, EPISODE III and FANTASTIC FOUR among them.

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The only one who can size a movie up by its trailer.


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 12:34pm
Frigidus is right. All you have to do is walk down Santee Alley in the Los Angeles Garment District and you'll be amazed at all the movie titles you can buy. Today, they had CHARLIE and the CHOCOLATE FACTORY, STEALTH and even DEUCE BIGALOW 2. Well, there is no accounting for taste...

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2014 Pic: LEGEND OF HERCULES! Actor: Aaron Echkardt, Director: Renny Harlin, Remake: Transcendence


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 1:32pm
No kidding! I went to Hollywood Video, and all the copies of ALEXANDER and CONSTANTINE were checked out. Do people just naturally have bad taste?

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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: Frigidus
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 9:44am
Hey, that's not entirely true. Last time I went to my local Blockbuster, all the copies of MILLION DOLLAR BABY were rented out. (Of course, I can't account for whether the renters in question liked it!)...

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The only one who can size a movie up by its trailer.


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 6:56pm
I think the people that go to your video store are a little more intelligent than mine. I asked the guy behind the counter when THE MACNINIST was coming out. He said he's never heard of it...Friggin' DUH!! You work at a VIDEO STORE moron! You're supposed to know this stuff! Needless to say I complained and this nosewipe excuse for a human being no longer works there.

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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 4:20pm
Head Razz:

How do they do it?

What is the secret?

How can Hollywood keep churning our 100 million bombs one after the
other? I WANT to know the secret, especially how I could do the Zero
Mostel "Producers" thing, slice off a million and run to Rio? Even worse,
it's as if the Peter (as in Jon the Hairdresser?) Principle is in full play, the
more incompetent you are, the higher you rise! What is the secret?


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 4:27pm
Also, if you think the Box Office is bad now, wait till Steve Jobs unveils his
next innovation--the iMovie store, where you will be able to download
one play of a movie for $4.99. Imagine a bunch of people with the next
generation of iMovie pods that play iTunes and iMovies! According to
several pals I have at Apple, Jobs is going to unveil this very soon! Just
think of the impact against multiplexes AND cable when this kicks in!


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 7:07pm

All I can say is I hope the studios get on the band wagon fast or the theater will disappear altogether. I'm thinking of getting a Sony PSP, not for the UMD movies (I'd rather just buy the DVD) but for all the other features. You can play MPeg4 movies and music videos. Soon they'll be able to play Quicktime trailers on the iMovie pods.

Tell you buddies at Apple that I think Quicktime is the clearest, sharpest format there is. I always try to view a trailer in Quicktime if I have the option to. Here are a couple of links that are pretty good about supplying Quicktime trailers:

http://www.jurassicpunk.com - www.jurassicpunk.com

http://www.themoviebox.net - www.themoviebox.net

 



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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 5:04am

In response to Joe Bacon's posting about i-Movies -- It'll also be only a matter of time before you have theatre-goers "multi-tasking" with these devices -- Watching ONE movie on the big screen while playing ANOTHER movie on their i-PodS...without headphones!!

I'd like to say I'm JOKING  ...sadly, I'm NOT



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 9:08am
Razz:

Intel's Digital Rights Management (DRM) is the key Jobs needed to
get the studios to agree to supply movies to the iMovie Store. The key is
allowing a user to download one play without the ability of copying it.

This is the reason Jobs switched from Power PC to Intel Chips for the next generation of Apple Computers

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2014 Pic: LEGEND OF HERCULES! Actor: Aaron Echkardt, Director: Renny Harlin, Remake: Transcendence


Posted By: Frigidus
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 1:08pm
I think, in the spirit of convenience and digital technology, things may turn out as Joe says. Movie theatres are starting to go the way of video game arcades. It's cheaper to buy the game and play at home than to put in $100 worth quarters at the arcade, just as it is cheaper to buy a DVD and watch it at home (and let's not forget that the food is cheaper as well).

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The only one who can size a movie up by its trailer.


Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 1:14pm
I think it's Al Qaeda claiming responsibility for most of these movies...   


Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 1:51am

Here's a http://politechbot.com/2005/11/04/how-the-mpaa/ - LINK to an interesting, angry piece about http://politechbot.com/2005/11/04/how-the-mpaa/ - WHY at least one Canadian movie-goer's experience with an extreme example of the MPAA's efforts to discourage movie piracy has convinced him he will be avoiding a specific theatre in the future. And, speaking of "the future, " his experiej\nce sounds more like 1984 than 2005...



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Ye Olde Head RAZZberry


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by Razzilla

I think it's Al Qaeda claiming responsibility for most of these movies...   
Or maybe Al Gore threw his support behind them.

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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: BrassKnuckle
Date Posted: February 03 2006 at 8:17am
Several things are going on here:

Problem #1: Gas prices are going up. They shot WAY up over the summer of '05. Not everyone lives within walking distance of a movie theater and therefore people who would need to drive 15 miles to see a movie want to make sure they are going to see something worth going to. The Solution: Theaters need to be more selective about the movies they show.

Problem #2: People are too used to doing their own thing while watching a DVD at home, so they tend to talk make noise, act completely inappropriately or let their ill-mannered children run wild. The Solution: Bouncers. One warning for noise and then they kick their ass OUT!

Problem #3: Television ads on the movie screen. Could there have been a more demystifying action than to allow corporate sponsors to slap their gauche television commercials in with the previews before a movie started? If people can't get away from that crap when they leave home, they aren't going to leave home. The Solution: Not much the Theaters can do about it.. except to hit fast forward whenever the television ads show up.

The Conclusion: Theaters need to start providing a service to their viewers again and not be a haven for the stupid. They need to do it fast before the movie industry gets to a point where straight to DVD may be more cost efficient.


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Jurassic Park was the most expensive B-rated Movie ever made - Me


Posted By: sportsartist24
Date Posted: February 04 2006 at 9:57am
Money, money was the big time problem. And why's that? Well, like what Brassknuckle said about gas prices going up. Also, The strike on Hurricane Katrina and Wilma. Everyone had to pitch in to help the victims of those two hurricane strikes. Yep, money was the big time problem of 2005.

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The Mormons were'nt really popular in the beginning, they're now becoming more popular, even in Hollywood.


Posted By: FeetOfClay
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 4:59pm

Why Didn't ANYONE Go to the Movies in 2005???

Speak for yourself.  I went to the movies more than 100 times last year.



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But why should you care what I think?


Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 3:15pm
Save for SW EP III...I didn't go to many movies this year... I actually snuck in after one ROTS showing to see Alone In the Dark and felt sorry I did...

If it wasn't for Burt Reynolds and Willie Nelson (as the Balladeer)...the Dukes Of Hazzard would have been a complete waste of time... Willie's Uncle Jessie had very little to be desired...so ALL FOUR DUKES SUCKED in it... ONCE WAS ENOUGH...perhaps TOO MUCH...

The only good movie from beginning to end that I saw was Walk the Line...and that was twice...

That makes a total of 11 movie theater trips for me...and that actually went up from 2004...


Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 3:20pm
I usually don't pay more than $10.50 for a movie and that includes what I sneak into the theater...


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 10:18am

yep and Hollywood are suffering just like the music industry is.

Maybe Piracy has alot to do with it but I think its the selection of movies and really people just staying at home to watch a flick which is less expensive and more accomadating.

I for one watched 12 films last year and al of them sucked.

Sorry but Hollywood insults our intelligence and they wont be seeing my hard earned money anymore.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 6:14am

I blame the Chicago Cubs.  They can put together a crappy team and still sell out Wrigley Field every day with jacked up ticket prices. Dead Obviously, Hollywood has noticed.

Take a look at these "penny horrors."  They cost very little to produce, which means that they can turn a profit literally by the end of opening night.  Even if it's a piece of Censored that closes after the second week, the studio that made it still made a tidy profit.  Angry

 



Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: March 18 2006 at 9:26pm

Originally posted by bj

Maybe Piracy has alot to do with it. I for one watched 12 films last year and all of them sucked.
Perhaps you should be more selective of the movies you watch?

Piracy has nothing to do with it. The music industry blames Internet downloading, but for some reason morons like Britney Spears still sell platinum. If piracy were that bad, most musicians would be starving. They're not. I only bought one new CD last year (Nine Inch Nails). The music industry can't figure out that CDs are too expensive. Plus music was better in the 90s...



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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 5:18pm
Perhaps no Jackie Chan or AH-nuld appearances last year could have made the difference???


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 1:36pm

Originally posted by Razzilla

Perhaps no Jackie Chan or AH-nuld appearances last year could have made the difference???

Ahnuld: doubtful...people are moving OUT of California

Jackie: doubtful...aren't we all tired of seeing him hit on women 30 years younger?



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Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Originally posted by Razzilla

Perhaps no Jackie Chan or AH-nuld appearances last year could have made the difference???

Ahnuld: doubtful...people are moving OUT of California

Yeah I know, I'm one of them!

Why should we watch an overrated acrobat when we can watch the real deal like Jet Li.



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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 11:16am
I moved out of CA BEFORE AH-nuld took over... The worst part was that it was partly due to my health...


Posted By: deadguy76
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 10:32pm

I hope your health improves.

I moved because there were no Jobs! Now I'm in Vegas, I can't complain. There's always someone hiring. I got hired the first month I was here! California need to improve their employment situation if they ever hope to get out of debt.



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"Woody Allen, whatever his failings, does not make movies for morons. Most directors do. Of course, most directors are morons."

- Joe Queenan

http://www.myspace.com/deadguy76


Posted By: Razzilla
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 5:35pm
It's improved a lot after the move...but there's still moments when the knees act up (the main reason I moved)... It was either move here or have both knees replaced...





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