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So Smart It’s...Duh, I Dunno... DUMB!

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Forum Name: SWING VOTE
Forum Discription: An Attempt at Making a "Smart Comedy" -- with an Incredibly STOOPID Premise!
URL: http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2950
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Topic: So Smart It’s...Duh, I Dunno... DUMB!
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: So Smart It’s...Duh, I Dunno... DUMB!
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 4:04am

ON FIRST IMPRESSION, YOU MIGHT THINK: "WOW! A SUMMER COMEDY THAT DOESN'T APPEAL to WHAT STEPHEN KING USED to CALL THE LIZARD MIND!"

BUT THEN (WHEN YOUR BRAIN KICKS IN) YOU REALIZE: IT STARS OUR RUNNER UP for MALE http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1110&PN=1 - AWL-TIME RAZZIE ® http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1110&PN=1 - CHAM-PEEN , SIXTEEN-TIME NOMINEE and SIX TIME "WINNER"  http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Kevin+Costner&btnG=Search+Razzies.com&domains=razzies.com&sitesearch=razzies.com - KEVIN COSTNER (WHO's STILL DESPERATELY TRYING to PASS HIMSELF OFF AS the JIMMY STEWART/GARY COOPER of the NEW MILLENNIUM).

AND THE PREMISE of http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=297 - SWING VOTE  -- THAT EVEN WITH the ELECTORAL COLLEGE, and a CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK in PLACE THAT SENDS UNDECIDED ELECTIONS to CONGRESS for RESOLIUTION, ONE MAN's INDIVIDUAL VOTE COULD DETERMINE WHO BECOMES PRESIDENT -- IS PATENTLY RETARDED.

THE "SUSPENSION of DISBELEIF" THIS FILM REQUIRES IS EQUIVALENT to PUTTING YOURSELF into a COMA. ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY FOLLOWS (OR UNDERSTANDS) AMERICAN POLITICS SHOULD DISMISSS THIS in an INSTANT. ANYONE WHO DOES BUY THIS FILM's PREMISE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR a POLLING PLACE THIS NOVEMBER...

THE ONE UP-SIDE of THIS FILM: IF THINGS ACTUALLY DID WORK the WAY http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=297 - SWING VOTE SUGGESTS THEY DO, AL GORE WOULD'VE BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT in 2000...and THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MILLIONS of PEOPLE's IDEA of a MUCH HAPPIER ENDING!

OKAY, WE'LL CLIMB DOWN OFF of OUR SOAP BOX NOW SO YOU ("MY FELLOW POST-ERS and POST-ETTES") CAN OPINE AWAY... 

COSTNER: "Yes, everyone involved in this film has two of 'em this size or larger -- For thinking intelligent audiences wouldn't notice how utterly idiotic this film's premise really is!"



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 4:31am
Kevin Costner hasn't made a good movie since "Tin Cup"; I don't think the bad luck streak will end.

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Posted By: Movie Man
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 5:57am
To me, this looks funny and sweet. I might actually see this one.

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 7:27am
At first, I didn't really wanna see this. It was like a "looks boring" type of film. Now with the commercials revealing the premise, I got a bit interested. I actually want to see it because, like the user above states, it looks like a sweet film.


Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 11:51am
When I saw this trailer, all I could think of is "after the elections of 2000 and 2004, I pretty damn sure America is well aware that the popular vote doesn't mean anything" and "the whole every vote counts slogan is nothing more than a myth." But now along comes Hollywood with this dumb excuse for a movie, hoping to keep that moronic myth alive...  

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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 6:57pm

When I saw the early trailers, I shook my head.  Costner has been picking movies that ranged from good to at least solid over the last few years.  I couldn't believe he would pick something with such a stupid premise.  When I saw the recent trailer, though, this movie actually looked (here comes the word all men have come to hate) sweet.  The acting, the dialogue and the little girl may actually save this movie.

But the premise is still stupid.

If Costner is able to take an idea this stupid and make a sweet, amusing movie out of it, then it's about time someone lets his talent be used in something more substantial once again.

I'm keeping my eye on the two horror movies out in limited release this week, http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/all_the_boys_love_mandy_lane/ - All the Boys Love Mandy Lane and Clive Barker's http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10008617-midnight_meat_train/ - The Midnight Meat Train .  So far, however, the first few reviews have been mostly good.  So, Swing Vote wins my vote for most likely stinker of the weekend, despite the new trailer.

 



Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 2:55am

Every once in awhile, Hollywood can come up with a retarded idea for a movie so patently ridiculous that they can actually advance an intelligent argument for something as moronic and antiquated as the Electoral College (easily one of the two stupidest ideas borne by our Founding Fathers, the other being the Second Amendment -- the crappiest piece of writing in the history of legalese).

If a national election could ever be determined by a single individual of the caliber of the one portrayed by Costner in this film, I'd pack up and move to Canada.

Even if we accept, as the basic tenet of true democracy, that one moron is equal to one genius, is it necessary to go a further step and hold that two morons are better than one genius? --Leo Szliard, physicist



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Posted By: thomsonmg2000
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 4:25am

Not all of Costner's recent films were terrible. I heard "Open Range" was good.

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Kevin Costner hasn't made a good movie since "Tin Cup"; I don't think the bad luck streak will end.





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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 5:14am
I actually like the premise. We all know it's ridiculous but it has never been done before and it's just fun to go along with it. I never have problems with premises I usually describe as great and unique because I'm a person who writes scripts with these types of premises. It's like Larry Cohen. He makes up great ideas and writes great scripts for these ideas.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 9:19am

There is a difference between originality and descent into implausibility, whether it be out of desperation or sheer ignorance (I have exactly zero confidence that the latter isn't the case here). In my view, there must be  numerous compelling (perhaps even important) stories that could be told about the way we elect our national leaders in this country. The fact that Hollywood is stooping to something like this is yet another example of how little regard they have for our intellectual fortitude.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

I actually like the premise. We all know it's ridiculous but it has never been done before and it's just fun to go along with it. I never have problems with premises I usually describe as great and unique because I'm a person who writes scripts with these types of premises. It's like Larry Cohen. He makes up great ideas and writes great scripts for these ideas.



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 10:28am
Originally posted by thomsonmg2000

Not all of Costner's recent films were terrible. I heard "Open Range" was good.

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Kevin Costner hasn't made a good movie since "Tin Cup"; I don't think the bad luck streak will end.



                                                                                        "Open Range" was boring as hell.

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Posted By: tomsmobr
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 12:15pm

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Kevin+Costner&btnG=Search+Razzies.com&domains=razzies.com&sitesearch=razzies.com - KEVIN COSTNER  was in my home town of Ventura on Saturday, where he held the premiere for Swing Vote, and did free out door concert with his band Modern West. It was a benefit for local charties, and some people that got to see the film said they actually liked Costner in this one. I thought Costner was good in Open Range and also The Guardian.

But on Rotten Tomatoes I saw that The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor has already gotten 3 Rotten reviews so far...



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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 5:54pm

I hated Open Range.  I think the opening 10 minutes sums up the whole movie.  I just love wasting 10 minutes watching free rangers push a wagon wheel through the mud.  Yup, that's a great way to start the movie.  And, unfortunately, it was one of the better scenes. 

I have to give Costner and Annette Benning kudos, though, for taking some of the worst lines ever put into a western and actually showing some good acting despite what their characters had to say. 

Next worst scene was Robert Duvall and James Russo unloading their guns at each other about six feet away, both laying on the floor with no obstruction between them--and missing every shot.  My oh my oh my.  That was such a good scene. 

I will never understand why so many people rate Open Range so highly.  It was sheer torture to me.  Please give me True Grit, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The Unforgiven or, damn, I'll even take Shane over Open Range.

Of the movies I've seen with Costner, my favorites are The Untouchables, Dances with Wolves and Field of Dreams, which I've seen several times.  The most recent film I've seen him in was The Guardian, and he gave a fine performance in an okay film.  I actually take delight in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with its creakiness, corny lines, bad accents and Sean Connery as King Richard, but I'm fairly sure that isn't what Costner intended.  Waterworld sucks bilgewater. . . .



Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: July 29 2008 at 11:51pm
It doesn't really matter how clever the movie thinks it is or if critics like Costner in it. If the movie is really lucky, it will be #3 at the B.O. come this weekend. The real story will be "Dark Knight" reaching $400 million in three weeks and whether or not it can fight off "The Mummy 3" to stay #1.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 30 2008 at 9:51am

Cvcjr, your assessment of "Open Range" was spot on. And don't forget that dreadful Irish brogue James Russo attempted throughout the film. I couldn't understand a word he said. Between his marble-mouthed accent and Costner's perpetual mumbling, half the dialogue in the film was utterly unintelligible (probably utterly un-intelligent, too).

The thing that amused me most was the scene where Costner and Duvall walked outside the morning after it rained cats and dogs all night...and the ground was completely dry!



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 30 2008 at 10:27am
Glad to see that I'm not the only one who hated "Open Range"!  

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Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: July 30 2008 at 5:41pm
Right now this may be the best reviewed wide release of the weak (yes, I know I spelled it wrong). Anyway, this has 44% at RT, and Mummy 3 has 13 reviews, all rotten (that's right, the big 00%). Just lets you know which may be HeadRAZZ's pick for #1 Worst of the Weak -- and possibly the month.

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Posted By: movieman
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 5:38am

I have never seen a movie with Kevin Costner, nor do I ever plan to...

 



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 7:25am

Originally posted by movieman

i have never seen a movie with Kevin Costner, nor do I plan to.

If you do plan to see a Kevin Costner movie, see Mr. Brooks, Dances with Wolves (of course...well, I haven't seen it but it won Oscars, I think), and Field of Dreams (I heard that was good).



Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by moviewizguy

Originally posted by movieman

i have never seen a movie with Kevin Costner, nor do I plan to.

If you do plan to see a Kevin Costner movie, see Mr. Brooks, Dances with Wolves (of course...well, I haven't seen it but it won Oscars, I think), and Field of Dreams (I heard that was good).

Or, shorten that list even more and only see "Dances With Wolves", his ONLY good movie. Sorry baseball fans, but "Field of Dreams" only works as a sleeping pill for me.



Posted By: dEd Grimley
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 2:03pm
So you think that Costner thinks he's the next Jimmy Stewart? I disagree...

I come home one night, my freshman year of college, which was several years ago now, to find my dorm roommate watching a movie on my TV, which I was tempted to burn, after seeing that he was watching, "The Postman." You remember that movie, where he delivers the mail, and becomes the shining beacon of hope for all of humanity?

In Swing Vote, we have a guy who doesn't go to vote one day, and his vote, mattering EVER so much, results in both candidates desperately courting him, and in the process, become a shining beacon of hope for all of humanity?

Waterworld? Where he's a guy with gills who's the shining beacon of hope for all of humanity?

He doesn't want to be Jimmy Stewart, he wants to be Jesus.


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Cvcjr, your assessment of "Open Range" was spot on. And don't forget that dreadful Irish brogue James Russo attempted throughout the film. I couldn't understand a word he said. Between his marble-mouthed accent and Costner's perpetual mumbling, half the dialogue in the film was utterly unintelligible (probably utterly un-intelligent, too).

The thing that amused me most was the scene where Costner and Duvall walked outside the morning after it rained cats and dogs all night...and the ground was completely dry!

Oh, Russo's awful accent!  And I didn't think about the ground after the rain when I watched it the first time, but now that you mention it, you're right.  You would have thought after that rainstorm, that we should waste 20 more minutes watching the free rangers push a wagon through the mud! . . .

And then there's Frenchie.  Why would anybody take a useless whiny guy like that on a cattle drive?  I was hoping the bad guys would kill him off, but they wound up killing off the other guy. 

 



Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 31 2008 at 3:04pm

I HATED "Mr. Brooks" -- Costner was so annoying, and so was Demi Moore. But, they can't hold a candle to how F*CKING annoying Dane Cook was...

He was so annoying, that I said: "Wow, he's even more annoying than Mr. Wong!!"

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Originally posted by movieman

i have never seen a movie with Kevin Costner, nor do I plan to.

If you do plan to see a Kevin Costner movie, see Mr. Brooks, Dances with Wolves (of course...well, I haven't seen it but it won Oscars, I think), and Field of Dreams (I heard that was good).

                                                                                                  

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 01 2008 at 1:51am

I thought a lot of critics liked Mr. Brooks. They even said Dane Cook was a good in that and "Dan in Real Life." But he usually appears in movies like that sex comedy "Good Luck Chuck."

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

I HATED "Mr. Brooks" -- Costner was so annoying, and so was Demi Moore. But, they can't hold a candle to how F*CKING annoying Dane Cook was... He was so annoying, that I said: "Wow, he's even more annoying than Mr. Wong!!"
Originally posted by moviewizguy

Originally posted by movieman

i have never seen a movie with Kevin Costner, nor do I plan to.
If you do plan to see a Kevin Costner movie, see Mr. Brooks, Dances with Wolves (of course...well, I haven't seen it but it won Oscars, I think), and Field of Dreams (I heard that was good).

 



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 01 2008 at 11:14am
Dane Cook was, also, annoying in "Dan In Real Life". He annoying in everything he does. Now, for the movie, the critic at Maxim said: "The best part of the movie was watching the rest of the audience cringing and trying to decipher (Mariana) Huffington's Greek speak." I think that says all that needs to be said.

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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: August 01 2008 at 12:17pm

The only way I would pay to see a "Hostel" or "Saw" movie is if Dane Cook was one of the victims...and he died the worst death of anyone in the movie...within the opening 10 minutes.

Throw in any of the Jessicas, Paris Hilton, and just about every other talentless, overexposured "celebrity" and there's a great horror movie.

Or would that be more of a comedy? 



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Posted By: moat
Date Posted: August 02 2008 at 3:45pm
As lame as this looks, it probably isn't as repulsive as the Adam Sandler brand of Capraesque film-making (Mr. Deeds, Click).

At least Swing Vote doesn't look like it's trying to force a mixture of virtue and vulgarity.


Posted By: moorlock2003
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 4:08am

Would it be too much to ask for Costner to:

Take a shave,

Get a haircut,

Lose the dorky cap,

Wear a decent shirt ?

 



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 12:24pm

Gee, what a surprise -- this movie bombed, with a mere $6 million! Maybe the only thing that could save Costner's career now is to star in Nolan's third Batman movie -- but I don't think they have a villain bland or boring enough for him to play! 

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: As you may have seen on our Main Page, there's an Internet rumor that the next BATMAN film may feature Angelina Jolie...as "Catwoman." ( http://www.myparkmag.co.uk/articles/celebrity/heath-ledger/heath-ledgers-joker-inspires-angelina-to-be-catwoman.html - LINK

Do I smell RAZZberries in the air???    

  



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Posted By: movieman
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 3:57am
Originally posted by Michaels

The only way I would pay to see a "Hostel" or "Saw"
movie is if Dane Cook was one of the victims...and he died the worst death
of anyone in the movie...within the opening 10 minutes.


Throw in any of the Jessicas, Paris Hilton, and just about every other
talentless, overexposured "celebrity" and there's a great horror movie.


Or would that be more of a comedy? 



Yes, that would be cool, the only reason I watched I Know Who Killed
Me
was to see Lindsay Lohan get tortured.


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 11:03am

I think Angelina Jolie would make a good Catwoman. Certainly better than Halle Berry!  

Originally posted by Michaels

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: As you may have seen on our Main Page, there's an Internet rumor that the next BATMAN film may feature Angelina Jolie...as "Catwoman." ( http://www.myparkmag.co.uk/articles/celebrity/heath-ledger/heath-ledgers-joker-inspires-angelina-to-be-catwoman.html - LINK Do I smell RAZZberries in the air??? 
                                                                                               



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 11:48am

Don't get your hopes up -- other rumors claim Johnny Depp will be The Riddler and/or Philip Seymour Hoffman will be The Penguin. After seeing "The Dark Knight," I'm convinced Nolan can get an Oscar worthy proformance out of anyone, even Jolie (although I can't say much for Katie Holmes, though).

Here's a rumor you should be more scared of: Kevin Conster supposedly has a sequel to "The Bodyguard" in the works!

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Originally posted by Michaels

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: As you may have seen on our Main Page, there's an Internet rumor that the next BATMAN film may feature Angelina Jolie...as "Catwoman." ( http://www.myparkmag.co.uk/articles/celebrity/heath-ledger/heath-ledgers-joker-inspires-angelina-to-be-catwoman.html - LINK

Do I smell RAZZberries in the air???   

                                                                                       I think Angelina would make a good Catwoman. It would be better than Halle Berry.

 



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Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: November 21 2008 at 4:02am
One of the biggest mistakes of the decade: releasing a film like this DURING AN ELECTION YEAR!!!


Posted By: dEd Grimley
Date Posted: November 21 2008 at 6:18am

Well, releasaing it during the least-close election in... a little while. Since '96, I 'spose. 

Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

One of the biggest mistakes of the decade: releasing a film like this DURING AN ELECTION YEAR!!!
  



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