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Here’s Lookin’ at You...CRUD!

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Forum Discription: Another Poor Reflection on Hollywood's Lack of Original Ideas??
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Topic: Here’s Lookin’ at You...CRUD!
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Here’s Lookin’ at You...CRUD!
Date Posted: August 02 2008 at 3:51am

OKAY, WE GET IT! HOLLYWOOD JUST ISN'T INTO DOING ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY ORIGINAL ANYMORE. BUT THIS WHOLE "LET'S REMAKE EVERY ASIAN HORROR MOVIE from the LAST DECADE" BUSINESS HAS GOT to STOP!

THE 347th ONE of THEM THIS YEAR, http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=300 - STARS http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000662/ - in a TALE CURIOUSLY REMINISCENT of NOT JUST http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372937/ - , BUT ALSO of a 1961 EPISODE of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053546/ - (FEATURING a YOUNG, BARELY OVER-ACTING WILLIAM SHATNER) ENTITLED http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0723102/ -  

BUT WILL IT ACTUALLY BE SCARY...TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN ITS INVESTORS??  HERE's THE PART WHERE WE ASK YOU, OUR FORUM MEMBERS, to...REFLECT. 


The Most Terrifying Sequence in the Film: Drowning...

In the World's Biggest (and Messiest) Root Beer Float!  




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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: August 02 2008 at 11:20am

I saw the Sundance Channel On Demand has a sub catagory just for Asian horror films. As I flipped through the titles, all I could of was "in a year or two, all of these are going be to made into crappy American remakes".

Here's what you do, Hollywood, you buy the rights to the movies and you English dub them! It's a helluva lot cheaper and the movie is not dragged through the mud. 



Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 02 2008 at 3:29pm
Uh, oh. Huge spoilers on that pic (good thing I already knew about it). Anyway, don't automatically assume this is just another Asian remake. It's not. The director who directed this also did "High Tension" and "The Hills Have Eyes." Depending if you like those films or not, some people are calling him the savior of horror movies. Anyway, I hated High Tension and Hills Have Eyes but this one does look very good. Ever since that pic above and the R rated trailer, I'm totally excited for this movie.


Posted By: moat
Date Posted: August 02 2008 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by moviewizguy

Anyway, don't automatically assume this is just another Asian remake. It's not.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372937/ - YES IT IS.

It has Aja directing, so I guess that means along with being woefully derivative, the film will use violence and gore in lieu of suspense and atmosphere.


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 11:34am

Like I said before, the director stated himself that it is not a remake. When a director says so, I guess it's pretty true. People just automatically assume it's a remake because there's a foreign version of the similar plot out there.

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: So you're so naive that if the director sez something, you just believe him??  Bet you believed all that malarky about WMDs in Iraq as well...   

On this specific film, I'll concede that it may not be a literal remake -- But if it's borrowing the plot and other elements from a pre-existant film, then it's a RIP-OFF -- meaning it would still qualify for our Worst Remake/Rip-Off category... 

 



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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 7:05pm

[QUOTE=moviewizguy] When a director says so, I guess it's pretty true.[QUOTE]

Then I guess Uwe Boll is an effing genius -- because he's a director, and he said so. . . .

 



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 10:37am
Originally posted by cvcjr13

Then I guess Uwe Boll is an effing genius, because he's a director and he said so. . . .

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Like I said before, the director stated himself that it is not a remake. When a director says so, I guess it's pretty true. People just automatically assume it's a remake because there's a foreign version of the similar plot out there.

You're so naive. You don't know who this director is? If you read any of his interviews for this film, you would know why I believe him so much. And stop bringin Uwe Boll into this. That was obviously not my point.



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 12:03pm
As much as I love taking cheap shots at Boll, I know he has nothing to do with this. But it is a rip-off no matter if it's a 100% remake or just borrowing elements from another movie. America just can't make a good horror movie any more, no matter if it's "original" or a remake. The last good horror movie I saw was "The Descent", but that was a British movie. Then American studios tried to copy it with "The Cave", and that movie sucked big time.


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Michaels

The last good horror movie I saw was "The Descent", but that was a British movie. Then American studios tried to copy it with "The Cave", and that movie sucked big time.
Because of "The Cave", "The Descent" was pushed back a year. Also, the last good horror movie I saw was "The Orphanage".

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Posted By: moat
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 1:02pm
I haven't completely given up American horror films, but the only ones in the last decade that I've enjoyed have not been big releases. I haven't done as much hunting for the rare gems as I used to in recent years, but I remember coming across movies like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308152/ - this one . It's not something a lot of people have seen (I don't even know if it got a theatrical run or not), but it's easily one of the best American horror films in the last five years.

However, in looking for a decent horror flick in the that low-budget market, one will likely end up slogging a lot of really awful films. It's too bad that formula so frequently accompanies the bigger budget projects. Horror movies have suffered probably more than any other genre when it comes to that kind of shameless recycling.


Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 4:06pm

Originally posted by Michaels

As much as I love taking cheap shots at Boll, I know he has nothing to do with this. But it is a rip-off no matter if it's a 100% remake or just borrowing elements from another movie. America just can't make a good horror movie any more, no matter if it's "original" or a remake. The last good horror movie I saw was "The Descent", but that was a British movie. Then American studios tried to copy it with "The Cave", and that movie sucked big time.

The director is French...but yeah, idk if you guys would count a foreign director as a reason to call it a French movie.



Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 4:14pm

Originally posted by moat

I haven't completely given up American horror films, but the only ones in the last decade that I've enjoyed have not been big releases. I haven't done as much hunting for the rare gems as I used to in recent years, but I remember coming across movies like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308152/ - this one . It's not something a lot of people have seen (I don't even know if it got a theatrical run or not), but it's easily one of the best American horror films in the last five years.

However, in looking for a decent horror flick in the that low-budget market, one will likely end up slogging a lot of really awful films. It's too bad that formula so frequently accompanies the bigger budget projects. Horror movies have suffered probably more than any other genre when it comes to that kind of shameless recycling.

The most recent horror film I thought was scary was http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038988/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038988/ . Although I like almost every film I see, trust me when I say this: This has got to be one of the best and scariest horror films ever made! Don't worry. This movie is from Spain. It's getting to be known by more people because an American remake is coming out this year (mostly shot-for-shot with some newly added scenes, including an alt. ending) called "Quarantine." ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1082868/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1082868/ ) Rec isn't out on DVD yet but there are sites and torrents out there to see it. I think it's going to come out on DVD when Quarantine comes out.

Another horror movie people seem to like is http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465203/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465203/ . Again, people thought "The Strangers" was a remake of this movie but The Strangers was written in 2004 so it couldn't be. Anyway, I didn't like the film as much but a lot of other people did. It's also a French movie.

Also, on other boards, I mentioned "The Mist." I loved that film to death. Anyway, these are a few great horror films you can watch, if you're not too impressed with horror movies these days.



Posted By: movieman
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 3:47pm
If there is any reason at all why this movie will do well, it will be because of
Kiefer Sutherland is in it.


Posted By: PopcornAvenger
Date Posted: August 17 2008 at 11:35pm

I used to be a huge horror movie fan, willing to forgive even the mediocre efforts. As I've gotten older and mellowed, however, I've become less forgiving.

The last good american horror movie I can remember was the first Nightmare on Elm Street. Maybe it's just a dearth of talent in the director's pool, Shyamalan's "looks like a horror movie but isn't" eviscerating the genre, and Roger Carpenter's fall from grace dating back to Ghosts of Mars

I don't count the bulk of the teenie slasher films, excluding NoES and  Halloween, as being worthy of consideration.

Perhaps it's because as we americans are living in a real world horror show that is our current administration, Hollywood (mistakenly) perceives that we've lost our taste for a good horror flick . . . .



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: August 18 2008 at 1:05am
See, what I liked about "The Descent" was it played on things that people are usually afraid of: the dark, close corners, and the unknown. These things are more scary to people than the thought of supernatural serial killers like Freddy, Jason, any American-ized J-horror movie, etc. Hollywood seems to think the more bloody a movie is, the scarier it is. Not true. Example: torture porn movies. They are just gross. Plus, add on to the fact no one really cares about horror movies until Halloween anyway. Hollywood needs to fall back on what scares America, and it's certainly not buckets of blood.


Posted By: superjoe89
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 5:31am
even the previews for this movie looked like i bust...one reason why i maybe
o to the movies twice a year now...lol


Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: November 21 2008 at 2:33am
Out of curiosity, how do you think the fans of the TV show, 24, reacted to this; did they lose interest in Jack Bauer, were they disappointed, or did they start swearing at the thought of putting Jack Bauer in something like this?  Furthermore, do you get my reference?


Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: January 28 2010 at 4:29pm
I agree. Something has GOT to be done about these foreign...remake...rush-job...things. Was the original Asian movie good? I like the quote "Another reflection on Hollywood's dearth of original ideas", by the way.
 
NI JUU HACHI


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 1:16pm
Well, it's not actually a remake. Aja used the same concept with evil spirits behind mirrors but dramatically changed everything else. Oh, and I don't think the original film was that good as compared to Ringu, Shutter, and all that jazz.


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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 1:57pm
Still, stop remaking Asian films! The American versions are always worse, except for maybe the first "The Ring" remake ... maybe, but then of course they made the American sequel, and that was worse!

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 1:15pm
2/10.Why?The ending had the same tone as the one from the director's cut of THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT.If it wasn't for that ending,I would've give it like a 4.It's barely scary.
Originally posted by movieman

If there is any reason at all why this movie will do well, it will be because of
Kiefer Sutherland is in it.
Actually,why didn't he get nominated?He wasn't awful,but come on!I understand it's not 100% easy to cry and makes us feel emotional at the same time.But who screams like that when being on fire?I know the director of that scene was a replacement(Aja's wife was in labor),but still.


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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 2:49pm
Thankfully, the fad of making Americanized Korean and Japanese horror movies has died since then.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 2:59pm

After looking through all your Forums, there still isn't an explanation for this film's ending. Does anyone here have one?



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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 3:07pm
I have an explanation: a very bad screenplay!


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 4:58pm
I thought it was obvious: He died after the climax scene, and now he's stuck between two worlds.


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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 5:06pm
Yeah, ya gotta love those cliff-hanger endings. Oh wait, those only work for TV shows...


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 9:35am
After double-checking,I shouldn't ask about it.You see,the ending makes no sense regarding what the rest of the movie showed us. There is no explanation.  

Originally posted by moviewizguy

I thought it was obvious: He died after the climax scene, and now he's stuck between two worlds.


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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 10:55am
As I said, it's called a bad script...  

Originally posted by Vits

After double-checking,I shouldn't ask about it.You see,the ending makes no sense regarding what the rest of the movie showed us.There is no explanation.


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 11:52am
What? I'm confused. It's simply that our character died in the climax showdown and is now stuck in a limbo. What's not to get? He's in the world of the mirror monsters.  

Originally posted by Vits

 
After double-checking,I shouldn't ask about it.You see,the ending makes no sense regarding what the rest of the movie showed us.There is no explanation.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 1:09pm

1)At no point there's even a hint that the Mirror World is where dead people go.

2)How would you explain that Kiefer's son entered the World through water?
 
There's also 15 other questions(literally)that haven't been answered and won't because of the script.I guess we can try to hold on to the explanations of the original movie.


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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 5:04pm
Yeah, see -- this is what half-assed storytelling does to your movie when you don't bother to explain everything because the movie is just one long set-up for a sequel that won't happen. Here's a crazy idea, Hollywood, try making a single, stand-alone movie first, then see how it does with critics and audiences, and then ... AND ONLY THEN ... make as many sequels as you like.  

Originally posted by Vits

1)At no point there's even a hint that the Mirror World is where dead people go.
2)How would you explain that Kiefer's son entered the World through water?
 
There's also 15 other questions(literally)that haven't been answered and won't because of the script.I guess we can try to hold on to the explanations of the original movie.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 22 2010 at 10:32am
I just saw the original movie INTO THE MIRROR.I was blown away...by the fact it was worse than this.MIRRORS have obvious flaws but it still made want to keep watching.INTO THE MIRROR,on the other hand,was plain boring.Since I knew the ending would be the same,I looked at it with the same eyes I did with MIRRORS,like I didn't know.It turns out the ending is bad on both movies.In MIRRORS it makes no sense.In INTO THE MIRROR it only makes sense if you look at it as an artsy film,which it isn't.It completely killed the tone of the movie.Actually,it didn't,since the movie wasn't a horror flick like they promised.It was mostly talking.

Since I gave 20% to MIRRORS,I give INTO THE MIRROR 10%.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: September 22 2010 at 10:38am
I made a list of the worst performances of all times:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/user/812172/blogs/?id=674392

Kiefer Sutherland is in it.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: April 15 2012 at 9:42am
CLICK BELOW, then skip to 02:35.

[TUBE]cEM-p3ojVeM[/TUBE]

Thoughts?  




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