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Topic: Jesus, Kirk Cameron Must Be DESPERATE!
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Jesus, Kirk Cameron Must Be DESPERATE!
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 5:24am

ONE of the MOST UNPLEASANT MOVIE-GOING MEMORIES of MY LIFETIME WAS WHEN a SUPPOSED "FRIEND" INVITED ME to a SNEAK PREVIEW of a "NEW MOVIE" -- WHICH TURNED OUT to HAVE BEEN FINANCED by BILLY GRAHAM as a "CHRISTIAN RECRUITING" DEVICE. WHEN the MOVIE ENDED and the LIGHTS CAME UP, a CHURCH SPOKESMAN at the FRONT of the THEATRE IMPLORED EVERYONE WHO HAD "SEEN CHRIST" AS a RESULT of WATCHING the FILM "PLEASE COME FORWARD." MY "FRIEND" THEN TURNED to ME WITH a LOOK ON HER FACE I WILL NEVER FORGET...OR FORGIVE.

I CAN'T PROMISE THAT THOSE WHO'VE "SEEN JESUS" WILL BE IMPLORED to ACCEPT HIM at the FRONT of EVERY THEATRE SHOWING http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=289&PN=1 - FIREPROOF , BUT THIS COULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY to EXPERIENCE THAT SAME FEELING of HAVING BEEN DUPED into a THEATRE and RECRUITED for CHRIST.

AS AN AGNOSTIC MYSELF, I FREELY ADMIT I PLAN to AVOID THIS FILM. BUT I COULDN'T RESIST, GIVEN ITS "TRUE PURPOSE" (IT'S BASICALLY a PRO-CHRISTIAN/ANTI-DIVORCE DIATRIBE MASQUERADING as a FAMILY DRAMA) "HONORING" IT as THIS WEEK's WORST of the WEAK PICK...

FEEL FREE to DISAGREE, DISAVOW (and OTHERWISE DEFEND and/or DISS) FIREPROOF BELOW... 

CAMERON: "We've got a three-alarmer here! The critics have burned our movie big-time!!"



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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 5:31am

As a lifelong liberal Democrat, I object to this film's subterfuge in luring in audiences to listen to what looks like a right-wing sermon against divorce.

But as someone who recently went thru a divorce (and found the laws governing the ability of one partner in a marriage to unilaterally dissolve it WAY too lax) I cannot say I object to the film's presumed "message" -- Divorce in America has become as  commonplace (and supposedly "painless") as having a tonsilectomy -- And I personally don't think that's a good thing...



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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 6:40am

I'd like to wave a magic wand and make everybody in a marriage get over themselves, get over any truly major problems, get over convincing themselves minor problems are major problems, and learn how to trust, compromise, accept, participate, cooperate and encourage.  In other words, to make divorce go away.

The makers of this film want to use a magic wand, too.  In their case, they're using Jesus Christ as their magic wand.  I'm not sure how Jesus would feel about that.

The divorce rate of people in Christian churches has been equal to the divorce rate of people outside of Christian churches for years.  I'm glad for those who find this works for them (and there are many), but it seems not many church people are availing themselves of the Jesus wand. . . .

All joking aside, I applaud the goal, but I cringe at what seems to be a subpar script, subpar acting and subpar moviemaking in general, and I disagree with the simplistic, faulty logic implied in the trailer.

But if this movie helps an otherwise good couple to avoid divorce, I'm glad for that couple.

So, anyone for a night of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070795/ - A Thief in the Night , http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0068428/ - The Cross and the Switchblade , http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070806/ - Time to Run , http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295725/ - Time Changer and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203408/ - The Omega Code ? . . .

No?  Okay, how about http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0311361/ - Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter ? . . .

 



Posted By: tomsmo35
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 10:00am
I think this movie might be somewhat intresting to see -- I think I might check it out...   

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Posted By: moat
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 12:02pm
It took me forever to remember who Kirk Cameron is. I'm kind of shocked that this film landed even him. I mean, these are the Facing the Giants people, right? I would think even sitcom stars of days long ago would be out of their budget.

Anyway, I'm sure the film is a touching and life-altering experience that will expose the truth to many across the nation -- I'm going to go get baptized, right now! 


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 3:18pm
I'm a devout Christian and even I think this film will suck. Also, "Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter" was a huge letdown, mainly because the guy playing Jesus looked nothing like Jesus, and could've been any random guy, draining the film of any camp value, lesbian scenes aside.

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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 3:33pm

Kirk Cameron has done nothing but faith-based movies since the "Growing Pains" series finale. I understand people hold their faith in high regards, but please movie studios, don't make movies that are nothing more than recruiting videos trying to pass themselves off as "family entertainment". I hate it when religious people try to sell you the idea that prayer is the answer to all of your troubles. Sorry to tell you folks, prayer doesn't fix all of life's problems. There's a reason why they say "God only helps those who help themselves", it's because if you want to change something in your life, you have to do it yourself, because talking to the sky isn't going to change it for you. I believe in George Carlin's unwritten Commandment of "Keep Thy Religion To Thy Self!".

PS: For a more enlightning and entertaining look at religion, may I recommand Bill Maher's upcoming film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/" name=producer2000>Religulous ?  



Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 9:54am
Originally posted by Michaels

There's a reason why they say "God only helps those who help themselves", it's because if you want to change something in your life, you have to do it yourself, because talking to the sky isn't going to change it for you. 

That's Benjamin Franklin, who said that in a letter to Humphry Marshall.  He was telling the United States it was time to prepare for war.

It is a true old saying, that make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you: to which I may add another, God helps them that help themselves.

 



Posted By: tomsmo35
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 9:51am

Originally posted by Michaels

For a more enlightning and entertaining look at religion, may I recommend Bill Maher's upcoming film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/" target=_blank name=producer2000>Religulous ?  

I found the Offical Site for Bill Maher Movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/" target=_blank name=producer2000>Religulous , and The Offical Site (which feature's Bill's image on a piece in a Toast):   http://lionsgate.com/religulous/ - http://lionsgate.com/religulous/



Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 2:01pm

We seem once again to be straying off message on this Forum (I think we're meant to be discussing "Fireproof," a movie almost no one will go see) but after viewing the trailer for "Religulous," I gotta say it: It looks like Bill Maher may have made a "documentary" every bit as funny, biting and controversial as "Fahrenheit 911."

Maher's movie I definitely WILL go see... 



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Posted By: RoadDogXVIII
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 12:47pm
Hah. This film has Christian overtones and has a discussion board. But Tyler Perry's films don't? There is one word to describe something like this: irony.

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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 2:31pm

. . . or, instead of irony, it could be described as "bland and predictable" versus "Oh, man, this is bad!"

You think Tyler Perry is all that bad?  How about a Tyler Perry wannabe?  Forgive me for directing you to http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0765460/ - Cover .  It was released in theatres earlier this year, but it's not being considered either.  I'm guessing that's because http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=cover08.htm - nobody saw it and, most importantly, nobody cares. . . .



Posted By: wetbandit82
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 12:23pm

I too feel divorce is far too prevelant in today's society, that no one seems to care to try anymore.  It should really be saved for events where one spouse is abusive either physically or verbally, or is dishonest with funds.  Or if the people are just so unhappy they'd be just happier seperately. 

 

That said, I have deep dislike of Hollywood's usual take on the matter of familial problems, being:  A) It's entirely the husband's fault for working too much even if they have no other discernable source of income; all problems can be traced to that, logically or not, B) conversely, the wife and children are right about everything he's wrong about, even if they are themselves hideously abusive towards him in word and in the worst situation with violence; we are not meant to question their logic on anything, even though a healthy relationship is supposed to be give and take equally from both parties, and C) thus, Dad stopping working and sentencing them to welfare or dirt poverty will act like the aforementioned magic wand, and all ills will be permanently forgotten until the sequel if there is one.  Never mind that for many people in the audience it will by that point have become clear the family is no true family and is better off seperate until they REALLY learn a TRUE lesson about love and partnership (if I make it big, I do intend to try something from this angle, where either the wife or kids come to realize the world doesn't blindly revolve around their needs any more than it does around Dad's, possibly having them cross the line before they do, which would probably bring down gross but at least be a critical success if done right). 



Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 2:29pm

Wow, you really did just explain the plot to every Lifetime Channel "my marriage is ending" cable movie... 

Originally posted by wetbandit82

That said, I have deep dislike of Hollywood's usual take on the matter of familial problems, being:  A) It's entirely the husband's fault for working too much even if they have no other discernable source of income; all problems can be traced to that, logically or not, B) conversely, the wife and children are right about everything he's wrong about, even if they are themselves hideously abusive towards him in word and in the worst situation with violence; we are not meant to question their logic on anything, even though a healthy relationship is supposed to be give and take equally from both parties, and C) thus, Dad stopping working and sentencing them to welfare or dirt poverty will act like the aforementioned magic wand, and all ills will be permanently forgotten until the sequel if there is one.  Never mind that for many people in the audience it will by that point have become clear the family is no true family and is better off seperate until they REALLY learn a TRUE lesson about love and partnership (if I make it big, I do intend to try something from this angle, where either the wife or kids come to realize the world doesn't blindly revolve around their needs any more than it does around Dad's, possibly having them cross the line before they do, which would probably bring down gross but at least be a critical success if done right). 

 



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Posted By: dEd Grimley
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 4:23am

I've gotten stopped on the street during a street fair in my hometown by some of Kirk's "Way of the Master" crowd. I also watched a debate between them and some Atheists, and the guy who accosted me  pulled out every point that they used in that debate. They're a mindless cult.

Kirk Cameron has become one of the most ridiculous faux-celebrities this country has ever produced!! 

 



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 11:42am

The one funny thing about Tyler Perry, he uses his films to push Christian vaules onto African-Americans, yet the Bible has passages that state a man shouldn't wear female clothing. So what does Perry do? Star in his own movies in drag.  

Originally posted by RoadDogXVIII

Hah. This film has Christian overtones and has a discussion board. But Tyler Perry's films don't? There is one word to describe something like this: irony.

 



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Posted By: Movie Man
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 7:41am

Found this on the IMDb trivia board. Another reason we should consider nominating Cameron:

Trivia:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131647/ - Kirk Cameron , a fundamentalist Christian evangelist, refuses to kiss any woman other than his wife under any circumstance, so to film a scene in which his character in http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129423/ - Fireproof (2008) kisses his wife, the filmmakers had to dress Cameron's real-life wife, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0633564/ - Chelsea Noble , as the wife character (played throughout the rest of the movie by http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2814621/ - Erin Bethea ) and shoot the kissing scene in shadow so the difference between Noble and Bethea would not be as evident onscreen.


 



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 3:59am

I gotta say, that's kinda refreshing in this day and age of celebrities becoming famous via sex tapes and celebrity marriages lasting all of two weeks. But come on, Kirk, you're an actor -- it's only make believe!

Originally posted by Movie Man

Found this on the IMDb trivia board. Another reason we should consider nominating Cameron:

Trivia:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131647/ - Kirk Cameron , a fundamentalist Christian evangelist, refuses to kiss any woman other than his wife under any circumstance, so to film a scene in which his character in http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129423/ - Fireproof (2008) kisses his wife, the filmmakers had to dress Cameron's real-life wife, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0633564/ - Chelsea Noble , as the wife character (played throughout the rest of the movie by http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2814621/ - Erin Bethea ) and shoot the kissing scene in shadow so the difference between Noble and Bethea would not be as evident onscreen.

 



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Posted By: batman39
Date Posted: October 01 2008 at 3:28am
Even Christians that are critical of their own movies almost always see
three shortcomings in them. Acting,screenplay and cinematography. I am
a Christian but don't go to them because of these. I have seen Facing the
Giants,which was sluggish at first but got better and was a solid movie.
This one is a solid movie too,the acting is far better than most of
Christian Cinema. It is worthwhile because marriage is worth saving in
some cases,in others,they are probably hopeless.

The two leads in Fireproof are solid.   It is nice to see something where
what you are seeing is not perverse claptrap like Before the Devil Knows
You're Dead. Where family members eventually treat each of with respect
and not contempt.

I didn't find the movie preachy,just a solid movie with a good message.


Posted By: dEd Grimley
Date Posted: October 01 2008 at 4:34am
Look, if ALL Christians went to ALL Christian movies, then every time one of these came out, you'd see upwards of NINETY percent of Americans in them. I hate it when people feel the need to announce that they're Christian. *I* am not one, personally. As far as why I have no desire to see this movie, it just sounds like a boring movie to me. But also because Kirk Cameron, like Tom Cruise, is batsh!+ crazy, and I've dealt with his goons.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 03 2008 at 5:26am

The U.S. Census Bureau doesn't make any formal effort to track the religious leanings of our population, but independent surveys show that about 75% of the population (not 90%) call themselves Christian. I'm guessing that at least half of those are pretty casual about their beliefs, at best.

I'll absolutely defend the right of people like Cameron to vent their beliefs in any forum they choose, including cinema. I also expect them to equally respect my right to slam the door in their face, although the more devout aren't holding up their end of the bargain. In any event, I suspect all but a few of the most devoted Christians regard dogmatics like him to be dangerous zealots.

Personally, there isn't much that I find more offensive than listening to self-proclaimed moralists from the political right lecture me about family values, considering how many of them are on their second, third or beyond marriages. The rather simple reality is that we still attempt to charish a lot of rather archaic institutions in our society. Marriage, or example, worked a lot better when we got married at 18 and died at 40. But that isn't the reality anymore, and it's not unusual for people who typically live 3 decades longer to grow apart. So maybe in this instance, it might behoove us as a society to start tolerating, even accepting, the failings or growth of our neighbors and their relationships in a more forgiving (i.e. Christian?) light.



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Posted By: Tyleben
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 3:59am

I am an evengelical Christian; but am fed up with other Christians not wanting to criticize any effort to make movies with Christian themes.  Truth be told, crap is crap, no matter how it is dressed.  I wish studios who endevor to make Christian films would try to make them good; it has been done before.  A few Good examples are End Of The Spear, One Night With The King, The Nativity Story, The Chronicles of Narnia series...also the studio that produces Veggie Tales; they are clever and entertaining even for those who are not Christians. It can be done, but it will take someone fearless to be honest about the movies.  I won't watch anything with Kirk Cameron after he made Left Behind, based on a great book series that was popular with people of faith and also people not of faith.  The movie was so bad, one of the authors of the book even filed a lawsuit against the studio.  These companies need to learn that you can't give an audience crap and expect them to like it, or even more encourage their friends to see it.

 



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 2:54pm
Well, making any kind of faith-based movie is a tricky thing. You have to make it A) Family friendly (unless it's "Passion of the Christ", then you're hoping for all the hardcore Catholics to show up). B) Entertaining, because that's what movies are suppose to do in the first place. C) Be of good quality, because you'll fail if your movie is just "Plan 9" with Christian overtunes. and D) Don't be preachy, if people want to be preached to, they'll save their money and just go to church. Personally, I think religion has such a strong following, there's really no need for it to be in popular culture. Like seperation of church and state, I think there should be a seperation of church and all forms of media.


Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: November 11 2008 at 2:02pm

Originally posted by Michaels

Well, making any kind of faith-based movie is a tricky thing. You have to make it A) Family friendly (unless it's "Passion of the Christ", then you're hoping for all the hardcore Catholics to show up). B) Entertaining, because that's what movies are suppose to do in the first place. C) Be of good quality, because you'll fail if your movie is just "Plan 9" with Christian overtunes. and D) Don't be preachy, if people want to be preached to, they'll save their money and just go to church. Personally, I think religion has such a strong following, there's really no need for it to be in popular culture. Like seperation of church and state, I think there should be a seperation of church and all forms of media.

Bravo, Michaels.  I think you've summed it up quite well.

To my best memory, the best "Christian" film remains Chariots of Fire, and I don't recall a single Christian involved in that endeavor.

I dropped by to point out a little detail over at Box Office Mojo.  The budget for Fireproof is listed at $500,000.  The box office appears headed to break $30 million.  That's 60 times production with only domestic box office (nothing on plans for the foreign market; doubt it will do well there).  In short, this genre appears to be a moneymaker, and unless the movie industry has suddenly discovered it has a scruple or two, we will see more movies of the same quality as this one.

One Night with the King tried to be a good movie, but it had so many flaws. 

Although Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is not a religious movie, since batman39 brought it up again, I'll restate that I felt that was a good movie.  Although dealing with very difficult themes, one of which is financial desperation, which is very applicable to many people's lives today.  Still, Raising Arizona may be a better movie to drive home many of the same points. . . .

 



Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: November 29 2008 at 10:05am
My agnostic brother showed me a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prIWM_zSVJw - clip of this movie involving salt and pepper shakers. It's f*cking hysterical, we're seeing it when it comes to DVD.

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Posted By: Movie Man
Date Posted: November 29 2008 at 10:38am
Saw the movie in theaters. HeadRazz, this really deserves the nomination. Everything reminded me of a boring cliché film. The wife, the lead actress, the story, etc.

Yet there were some good actors in here. Why they chose to star in this is beyond me.

I would nominate this movie for the following:
WORST PICTURE
WORST ACTOR (KIRK CAMERON)
WORST ACTRESS (ERIN BETHEA)
WORST SCREEN COUPLE (KIRK CAMERON AND EITHER ERIN BETHEA (the wife) or CHELSEA NOBLE (the look-alike wife in the kissing scene)
WORST SCREENPLAY and WORST DIRECTORS (ALEX & STEPHEN KENDRICK)


Posted By: ITbeast
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:06am

What really surprised me is that this film actually made money.

I guess keeping the faith worked for this film!



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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 2:43pm
I swear that,when I saw a few seconds on it on TV,I thought it was a TV-movie from Lifetime or somethin'.After all,that's the best former child stars can achieve.

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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 7:02pm
There's little I hate more in this world than conservative Christians. I ask some religious sects that condemn divorce this: If a man should be married, and he has only one chance, and they pick the wrong significant other, apparently it's mandatory that their life be ruined by picking the wrong lover because divorce is against these people. In that case, is marriage even worth it?

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Posted By: BurnHollywoodBurn
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 8:30pm
Originally posted by GTAHater767

There's little I hate more in this world than conservative Christians. I ask some religious sects that condemn divorce this: If a man should be married, and he has only one chance, and they pick the wrong significant other, apparently it's mandatory that their life be ruined by picking the wrong lover because divorce is against these people. In that case, is marriage even worth it?
Well, you have to consider that in religious sects, it doesn't matter if your marriage is failing, so long as you're fruitful and raise your children to be loyal followers of the sect as well. In the end, they just want you to help produce more memebers for their little cults, rather than having to go out and convince people to join them.

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Posted By: jinxmchue
Date Posted: July 12 2011 at 3:59pm
Tiny little violins are playing for you.  Lots of them.  

Originally posted by HeadRAZZBerry

ONE of the MOST UNPLEASANT MOVIE-GOING MEMORIES of MY LIFETIME WAS WHEN a SUPPOSED "FRIEND" INVITED ME to a SNEAK PREVIEW of a "NEW MOVIE" -- WHICH TURNED OUT to HAVE BEEN FINANCED by BILLY GRAHAM as a "CHRISTIAN RECRUITING" DEVICE. WHEN the MOVIE ENDED and the LIGHTS CAME UP, a CHURCH SPOKESMAN at the FRONT of the THEATRE IMPLORED EVERYONE WHO HAD "SEEN CHRIST" AS a RESULT of WATCHING the FILM "PLEASE COME FORWARD." MY "FRIEND" THEN TURNED to ME WITH a LOOK ON HER FACE I WILL NEVER FORGET...OR FORGIVE.

It didn't "masquerade" as anything.  They (the Kendrick Brothers) freely admitted who they were, what the movies was about and what the purpose of it was.  They've never done otherwise with any of their films.

AS AN AGNOSTIC MYSELF, I FREELY ADMIT I PLAN to AVOID THIS FILM. BUT I COULDN'T RESIST, GIVEN ITS "TRUE PURPOSE" (IT'S BASICALLY a PRO-CHRISTIAN/ANTI-DIVORCE DIATRIBE MASQUERADING as a FAMILY DRAMA) "HONORING" IT as THIS WEEK's WORST of the WEAK PICK...




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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 2:32pm
Skip to 03:57.

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Any thoughts?
Originally posted by batman39

Even Christians that are critical of their own movies almost always see
three shortcomings in them. Acting,screenplay and cinematography. I am
a Christian but don't go to them because of these. I have seen Facing the
Giants,which was sluggish at first but got better and was a solid movie.
This one is a solid movie too,the acting is far better than most of
Christian Cinema. It is worthwhile because marriage is worth saving in
some cases,in others,they are probably hopeless.

The two leads in Fireproof are solid.   It is nice to see something where
what you are seeing is not perverse claptrap like Before the Devil Knows
You're Dead. Where family members eventually treat each of with respect
and not contempt.

I didn't find the movie preachy,just a solid movie with a good message.
You lost me when you basically said that BTDKYD is bad for not being afraid of going where most movies don't go.


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