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Topic: Short Title...Short Attention Span???
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Short Title...Short Attention Span???
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 9:51am

IT DOES FEATURE an AMAZING CAST, INCLUDING http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000982/ - JOSH BROLIN in the TITLE ROLE, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000995/ - ELLEN BURSTYN as BARBARA BUSH, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000342/ - JAMES CROMWELL as DADDY BUSH, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001277/ - SCOTT GLENN as DONALD RUMSFELD, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000377/ - RICHARD DREYFUSS as THAT DICK, CHENEYand (IN the LIKELIEST CASTING to RESULT in a RAZZIE NOMINATION) 2000 WORST SUPPORTING ACTRESS CONTENDER  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0628601/ - THANDIE NEWTON as http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1110666/awards - 2004 WORST SCREEN COUPLE CO-"WINNER" CONDOLEEZZA RICE ...

BUT IT WAS DIRECTED by 4-TIME PREVIOUS RAZZIE® NOMINEE http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000231/ - OLIVER STONE ...

YET for ONCE, IT WASN'T WRITTEN by STONE...

SO, WHETHER IT's a HATCHET JOB, a CLASSY BIO-PIC (or a TOTAL BUST) IT'LL SURELY BE ENTERTAINING SOME WAY, SOME HOW...

BUT WILL IT, LIKE IT's TITLE CHARACTER ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124133/awards - OUR 2004 CHOICE for WORST PERFORMANCE by an ACTOR in a LEADING ROLE ) WIND UP BEING a RAZZIE® CONTENDER??

FEEL FREE to OFFER YOUR COMMENTS and PROGNOSTICATIONS BELOW... 

BUSH: "So, explain to me again Turd-Blossom, why I'd wanna cross-breed Toto and Checkers..."

 



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Posted By: Nasty Man
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 10:08am

Here's an interesting conundrum for you to contemplate: Which scenario would be worse news for Bush and the GOP, given that this film opens less than 3 weeks before Election Day:

If Oliver Stone's "Dubya" is:

1) A hatchet job on Our Dumbest President, and STILL fails at the box office...

2) A "fair and balanced" view of "Boy George," but STILL fails at the box office...  

3) Is both boring and Bush-bashing, and somehow manages to be a BIG box office hit...

My instincts tell me no matter how it's marketed, "Dubya" is gonna bomb. With everyone's net worth tanking thanx to the Bush stock market, I can't imagine anyone wanting to spend their fast-disappearing money to see even one more word about The Worst President of My Lifetime...

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 3:01am

This has to be the most poorly timed release in cinematic history. There aren't even any Republicans left that can't wait to get him out of office, and a lot of them aren't too excited about the McBush-Caribou Barbie ticket.  So the question becomes, who is the audience for this movie?

Perhaps 20 or 30 years from now, there might be some historical interest in the question, "Just how badly can one man screw up America in 8 years?" In the meantime, I think most of us are more interested in getting through the next 3 months than we are reviewing the past 8 years.



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 2:48pm

I doubt the movie will be Razzie-worthy. From what I've seen in the trailers, it's a Bush-bashing movie about how the man was a party animal for most of his life, became president by sheer luck, and then screwed the country over time and time again.

I think it will have a modest box office take, based on people who just want to see what it's like...



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Posted By: moat
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 8:05am
Early word is that this movie is pretty even-handed. I saw Stone on The Colbert Report, and he sounded more like a Bush-supporter than Bush-basher during the interview. However, I was having a lot of trouble telling if some of his comments were sincere or not -- A lot of what he said was pretty extreme, and not leftist extreme.

If all else fails, Brolin's performance should be worth seeing. 

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Posted By: Movie Man
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 3:43pm
Even though I am against the Bush administration, I MIGHT see this movie. Besides, the second trailer was well-crafted and probably one of the BEST trailers for a movie in a long time (and for the very inventive use of an old 80s song that I listened to once or twice before)

From the IMDb newsdesk, it appears that Stone isn't trying to undermine the current administration, but rather is a commentary of how swayed our society really has gotten.

I read a quote by Stone who states that "This man has left us with three wars - in Iraq, Afghanistan and the war on terror - and the legacy of the pre-emptive strike.", which is kind of true the more I think about it.

Even to this day, I am still stumped as to why the hell we diverted half our military to Iraq???!!! We had Osama bin Laden in our sights and he escaped through our fingers. (I DO acknowledge though that it may have been Bush''s vendetta for the assassination attempt on his father post-Gulf War. But still, it begs the question "why?")

Read the whole article here, then I would maybe reccomend to see the movie and judge for yourself whether this supports/is worth a Razzie nomination or not. I think this may be one of the first Razzie-nominees that is truly questionable.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1175491/news#ni0582165



Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 4:59pm

Originally posted by moat

Early word is that this movie is pretty even-handed. I saw Stone on The Colbert Report, and he sounded more like a Bush-supporter than Bush-basher during the interview. However, I was having a lot of trouble telling if some of his comments were sincere or not -- A lot of what he said was pretty extreme, and not leftist extreme.

If all else fails, Brolin's performance should be worth seeing. 

I saw that interview as well...it was obvious that Stone was playing along with Colbert's schtick. It was a pretty funny interview, but not particularly insightful as to what to expect from the movie.



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Posted By: RoadDogXVIII
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 4:16pm
HeadRAZZ, are you serious?

Now, I take your views to heart, because most of the films that get their own discussion boards here are justified pieces-o-sh*t (Horror films mainly).

But you're choosing W. over Max Payne? Sure, the film is released at the worst time when Bush has completely bankrupted America (and all you Bush-f**kers can stick it up your ass), but it looks better than John Moore's raping (God, that South Park episode last week was priceless) of a classic video game.

I mean, teeny-weeny Mila Kunis as a hard-boiled assassin? Oh, my bunny isotoners are laughing their asses off. Seems like Tara Reid have some competition as the most miscast actress in history. Anyone wanna offer a rebuttal?


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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 2:43am

Originally posted by RoadDogXVIII

HeadRAZZ, are you serious?
Now, I take your views to heart, because most of the films that get their own discussion boards here are justified pieces-o-sh*t (Horror films mainly).

But you're choosing W. over Max Payne? Sure, the film is released at the worst time when Bush has completely bankrupted America (and all you Bush-f**kers can stick it up your ass), but it looks better than John Moore's raping (God, that South Park episode last week was priceless) of a classic video game.

I mean, teeny-weeny Mila Kunis as a hard-boiled assassin? Oh, my bunny isotoners are laughing their asses off. Seems like Tara Reid have some competition as the most miscast actress in history. Anyone wanna offer a rebuttal?

I got to agree on this one, as I mentioned "Max Payne" before. Yes, Oliver Stone has a history with the Razzies, but I doubt "W" will be on par with the likes of "Postal" or "Disaster Movie". "Max Payne" on the other hand, does. 1. It's the typical Hollywood raping of source material. Winged harpie demons have nothing to do with the video game the movie claims to be based on. 2. It stars Marky Mark, who sure, got an Oscar nod for "The Departed", but since then has made bad choices as of late. "The Happening", need I say more? Plus, he's been in what, 6 remakes in the past? "Planet of the Apes", "The Italian Job", "The Truth About Charlie", just to name a few. 3. The casting of Mila Kunis! I know she's well into her 20s, but she's working in a visual medium, and visually, she looks like she should be in high school, not running around as an assassin. I agree with Roaddog and have "Max Payne" added as a Bonus Worst Movie of the Weak.



Posted By: RoadDogXVIII
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 4:56am
Originally posted by Michaels

Originally posted by RoadDogXVIII

HeadRAZZ, are you serious?
Now, I take your views to heart, because most of the films that get their own discussion boards here are justified pieces-o-sh*t (Horror films mainly).

But you're choosing W. over Max Payne? Sure, the film is released at the worst time when Bush has completely bankrupted America (and all you Bush-f**kers can stick it up your ass), but it looks better than John Moore's raping (God, that South Park episode last week was priceless) of a classic video game.

I mean, teeny-weeny Mila Kunis as a hard-boiled assassin? Oh, my bunny isotoners are laughing their asses off. Seems like Tara Reid have some competition as the most miscast actress in history. Anyone wanna offer a rebuttal?

I got to agree on this one, as I mentioned "Max Payne" before. Yes, Oliver Stone has a history with the Razzies, but I doubt "W" will be on par with the likes of "Postal" or "Disaster Movie". "Max Payne" on the other hand, does. 1. It's the typical Hollywood raping of source material. Winged harpie demons have nothing to do with the video game the movie claims to be based on. 2. It stars Marky Mark, who sure, got an Oscar nod for "The Departed", but since then has made bad choices as of late. "The Happening", need I say more? Plus, he's been in what, 6 remakes in the past? "Planet of the Apes", "The Italian Job", "The Truth About Charlie", just to name a few. 3. The casting of Mila Kunis! I know she's well into her 20s, but she's working in a visual medium, and visually, she looks like she should be in high school, not running around as an assassin. I agree with Roaddog and have "Max Payne" added as a Bonus Worst Movie of the Weak.



Sad thing is, Wahlberg, Kunis, and Ludacris (as a DA) are terrific actors and actresses. I put the blame on John Moore, the man behind two unnecessary remakes (Flight of the Phoenix, The Omen)


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Posted By: RoadDogXVIII
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 4:57am
Another thing: The winged demons are hallucinations of the Valkyr drug that Max Payne supposedly takes and goes on a killing spree after being left in the water. That's what I heard on the IMDB boards.

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Posted By: Tyleben
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 8:03am

I won't see this film (although I voted for Bush 2X). He's failed this country.  Oliver Stone promises this will be a  "Fair portrait" of George W Bush...being released right before the election (like we have any good candidate to pick from). And this movie stars some of the most far-left actors in Hollywood -- somehow they missed Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarrandon, and Alec Baldwin...I guess they were too busy??   



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Tyleben

I won't see this film (although I voted for Bush 2X). He's failed this country. 

I'll bet you wish you would have listened when we TOLD you he would, don't you?



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 3:06pm

Yes, many reports say Stone is giving Bush a "fair" chance. He is simply telling the man's life story. Bush only has himself to blame that his life story has elements of him drinking alcohol like it's milk, ruining every business his father put him in charge of, being unable to speak  proper english, and making a laughing stock out of America.

Back to "Max Payne", I think it's safe to say it will be on the same level as past Razzie "Worst Movie of the Weak", "Hitman", another lazy video game based movie. It seems video game movies alway end up a disaster, unless they are directed by Uwe Boll, in which case they are a sign of the end of good filmmaking as we know it.



Posted By: batman39
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 6:52am
W was an enjoyable romp. I have always been one who thought that Bushie
Boy went into Iraq to finish the job that he father didn't and there is a lot oil
there too. The fact that W is a rebellious guy from Texas explains a lot of
what he has done. Aren't Texans always characters.   

Don't know what the heck happened with Rice. Stone is making fun of her no
doubt. It laughable!!! Poor Thadie Newton. A Worst Supporting Actress nod
is coming her way but it isn't her fault. This isn't one of the worst pictures
of the year, unless you were looking for a total hatchet job and didn't get it.      


Posted By: moorlock2003
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 7:02am
You couldn't pay me to sit through "W". Besides, haven't we, in effect, been watching this crappy movie for the last 8 years?

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Posted By: batman39
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 7:27am

I know, but it just screams "See Me!" Even though I tired of this Texan a long long long time ago, I just couldn't resist. Plus I hadn't seen a Stone picture since U-Turn. Yes I could resist Alexander -- and did.   

The one person who really had a ball with this had to be Brolin. I imagine Dreyfuss did too. You can probably give nods to Burstyn for total miscasting, and Scott Glenn for playing you-know-who, who isn't around anymore... 

 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 5:11pm
I can't believe I talked myself into going to see this, but my verdict: not really half bad. It's hard to say exactly how much of it is down the line factual, but I suspect it is reasonably accurate, and not altogether unwatchable. Brolin and Drefuss were quite good. The only part of the film I really doubted was that Colin Powell was portrayed as a martyred voice of dissent. To some extent, he may have been, but I suspect the man has far too much personal integrity to have swallowed his pride to the extent he was shown to in this film. Sorry folks, no Razzie red meat here.

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Posted By: batman39
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 12:51am
The only Bush to comment on this movie is Jeb and he called it hooey(a
word that is from the United States but of unknown origin,I say it's of
Texas origin). He dismisses the father/son relationship and maybe it was
over the top but until someone proves otherwise,I think he went into Iraq
only to get Saddem.   

I think Bushie Boy would rather like some parts. Didn't expect it to be
factual because even the great Amadeus wasn't that. I wondered about
the Colin Powell stuff but then I realized I was watching a movie and
dismissed it. I won't defend politics. I'll defend Abba and still take to my
grave that Mamma Mia is as bad as Can't Stop the Music. Sorry,I've be on
that soapbox for a while now.

Who cares about ripoff movies like Disaster Movie and the Spartan one
too(they aren't real movies because they don't have a beginning middle
and end.). Mamma Mia has a ton of Razzie red meat but because it's
Abba, I guess some probably think bad deserves bad and thus dismisses
the total wretchness of this movie.

C'mon folks get behind Mamma Mia or am I instead of actually voting this
year,going to just vote, PRESENT.   









Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 3:53am

I'd second the notion that Momma Mia deserves some ballot attention. Potential categories:

Worst Actor: Pierce Brosnan...that one should be a given. No one that sings that badly should ever even be allowed to watch a musical, let alone sing in one.

Worst Screen Couple: Stellan Skarsgard and Meryl Streep, Pierce Brosnan and Meryl Streep, and Colin Firth and Meryl Streep

Worst Screeplay: Hey folks, a musical based on Abba songs, most of which weren't even on the same album let alone related in context...no brainer

Worst Movie: maybe...the competition is stiff this year



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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 6:42am
I didn't think this movie was Razzie worthy from the word go. If you think about it, the life of George W. Bush is the greatest comedy story never told. Here is a man who had everything handed to him because of who his daddy was. He was drunk almost his entire life, somehow graduated from Yale with a "C" average, joined the National Guard (yet has no record of his time spent there), was owner of the Texas Rangers MLB Team (which he utterly ruined), sent every company his dad put him in charge of right into the ground, became governor of Texas (where he spent most of his time sending as many people on death row to their deaths as fast as he could), somehow won two Presidental elections (by questionable means), and caused 8 of the worst years in American history (his laughable leadership during 9/11 and Katrina, his endless and personal war in Iraq, the position of President being reduced to a joke, the goverment spying on its own country, torture crimes during war, the morons he appointed to office who had no right to be there, the rest of the world having no respect for America, and now the Stock Market being ready to crash at any moment). Admit it, you CAN'T make this up. Out of all the Presidents of the past 30 years, I can't think of one more worthy of having a bio-pic. It has to be seen to be believed, and even then people will think it was all a work of fiction! 


Posted By: moorlock2003
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 8:52am
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

I'd second the notion that Momma Mia deserves some ballot attention. Potential categories:

Worst Actor: Pierce Brosnan...that one should be a given. No one that sings that badly should ever even be allowed to watch a musical, let alone sing in one.

Worst Screen Couple: Stellan Skarsgard and Meryl Streep, Pierce Brosnan and Meryl Streep, and Colin Firth and Meryl Streep

Worst Screeplay: Hey folks, a musical based on Abba songs, most of which weren't even on the same album let alone related in context...no brainer

Worst Movie: maybe...the competition is stiff this year

"Mamma Mia", both the stage musical and the movie, is really just an excuse to tie a bunch of ABBA tunes together. I want ABBA singing ABBA songs; I can't bring myself to listen to others sing them, especially the likes of Pierce Bronson (!).



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Posted By: moorlock2003
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 8:54am
I love how we changed the subject away from Dumbya.

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Posted By: batman39
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 9:49am
First of all, I am a straight guy. I am older and so I will be dating myself
when I say that I had a crush on the blond chick from Abba back in the
late 70s. It is possible to really like them and not be gay after all we're
talking about two chicks singing here.

I've seen the Broadway Musical of this and the difference between the two
of them, is that the folks in the musical can actually sing and dance. I
actually think the female director in this movie just pointed the camera
and yelled action and thus there were no rehearsals. She probably just
said,"Hey kids let's put on a show."


To me this is more worthy than sittiing through another god awful Uwe
Boll movie. Give the man a Razzie lifetime achievement award and retire
his butt.    


Posted By: sportsartist24
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:48am
Update from Box Office Mojo: After Friday's results, MAX PAYNE beat off W for the #1 spot in the U.S. Box Office, finishing with $7.1 Million while W finished with $3.8 million.

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Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 12:31pm
Head Razz, I gotta ask:

Will Oliver Stone make a sequel to "W" named "P"?

For You-Know-Who


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 5:04pm

Actually, I think I'd like to amend a comment I made above...

In the category of Worst Screen Couple, any two people appearing on the screen at the same time in the movie Momma Mia deserve the nomination...especially if one of them starts to sing.

As far as the movie W goes, I think there is a potential Worst Couple nomination here too...either W and "Vice"  (because one of them is a moron and the other is a terrifying meglomaniac who shot a guy) or W and Karl Rove (played by a very creepy looking Toby Jones).



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Posted By: thomsonmg2000
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 3:08am
I just can't see why this movie, or Momma Mia, would get nominated for any razzies at all. For Momma Mia, it seems split in the middle over who hates it and who likes it (I probably will hate it). However, for other movies, like Disaster Movie, everyone hates it. 

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Posted By: Michaels
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 1:02pm

Wow, "W." opened fourth place. It even lost to a period piece movie about beekeepers! Wow, America must be THAT sick of this lame duck President.



Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 2:00pm

I'm a bit surprised how the numbers are shaking out. Perhaps the showing I attended was an anomoly, but the theater was pretty full for the screening of W that we saw. It's not like any of this week's releases are generating big numbers either.

I disagree that neither Momma Mia or W deserve nominations either. Pierce Brosnan simply can't be overlooked, and the Worst Screen Couple consideration for "W" and "Vice" would be a compelling going away (and for God's sake stay away) present.



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Posted By: Mrs. Magnatech
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 2:16pm
I just saw this. It's hardly a masterpiece, but not Razzie material, either. The only Razzie-worthy performance is Thandie Newton as Condi - it was like something you'd see in an SNL sketch.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 2:02pm

I agree...she spoke every one of the few lines she had in this movie with her teeth tightly clinched. I half expected her to pull a ventroliquist's dummy out of a case and carry it with her for the rest of the film.

No special props to the real Condi Rice from this quarter, but that was an unflattering portrayal -- even by the standards of this movie! 

Originally posted by Mrs. Magnatech

I just saw this. It's hardly a masterpiece, but not Razzie material, either. The only Razzie-worthy performance is Thandie Newton as Condi - it was like something you'd see in an SNL sketch.



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