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Topic: Forum Discussion of TRESPASS
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Forum Discussion of TRESPASS
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:17am
WANNA DISCUSS (and EXPRESS YOUR DISGUST WITH) http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum-discussion-addl-info-on-trespass_forum571.html - (and the CURRENT TRAJECTORY of NICOLAS CAGE's SO-CALLED CAREER)??  HERE's the PLACE to DO SO...

OH, and IF YOU WANNA READ WHAT YE OLDE HEAD RAZZBERRY SEZ ABOUT THIS ONE, HERE's the http://www.razzies.com/forum/official-razzie-take-on-trespass_forum570.html - for THAT... 

  




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Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:20am
You know the existance of 'Oscar Baiter' movies? Well what we have here is a (as of this year, reccuring) case of a Razzie Baiter! 

You want this Razzie so bad, don't you Nic? Perhaps someone should make a documentary film of this case called 'Cagey Goes Down (Hill that is...)'!  


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Posted By: jesse685
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 2:40pm
Yet another reason why Nic Cage should finally get his long overdue Worst Actor RAZZIE! When will his agent stop getting him into s**tty films?

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 8:17am
http://rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111012/REVIEWS/111019996 - Roger Ebert gave this 2/4.

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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 2:32pm
Although I'm not the biggest fan of Nicolas Cage, you must admit when given the right idea for a film (and the right release) his films can bring in a crowd (regardless of what Critics think).  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Okay, five or ten years ago, you may have had a valid point -- But does anyone remember the last time Nicolas Cage was in a movie both audiences and critics liked??  Here's a http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=nicolascage.htm -


Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 3:03pm
I may be wrong, but most of Cage's bad films seem to have been box office hits, while most of his good films have been flops. These includes SEASON OF THE WITCH, which doubled it's budget. I said "most" because there are exceptions. Like DRIVE ANGRY, which recovered half it's budget...even with the advantage* of being in 3-D. And considering the former had worse reviews than the latter, it means audiences haven't learned their lesson yet.

*Financial advantage,that is.


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 3:03pm
Apparently, history's greatest monster thinks that Val Kilmer was the best Batman. Excuse me for a moment... 

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While Kilmer isn't as bad a Batman as George Clooney, he's nowhere as good as Christian Bale, Michael Keaton, Kevin Conroy, Rino Romano,* Diedrich Badar, etc. 

Hell, Adam West was a better Batman!
 
Also, I'm damn glad that Trespass is getting the reviews that it deserves.
 
*He voiced Batman in the "just OK" animated series The Batman.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Just this week I tried watching Schumacher's BATMAN FOREVER with my 15-year-old son (I had originally seen it when his mother was pregnant with him). We couldn't get past the first 20 minutes and, as we gave up and turned it off, my son said, "That was like a bad cartoon drawn by someone on acid!"  






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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 3:28pm
At least Schumacher said he admires Christopher Nolan.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 8:45am
Maybe when he retires, his son can be in charge of the Razzies?

Originally posted by Head RAZZberry

Just this week I tried watching Schumacher's BATMAN FOREVER with my 15-year-old son (I had originally seen it when his mother was pregnant with him). We couldn't get past the first 20 minutes and, as we gave up and turned it off, my son said, "That was like a bad cartoon drawn by someone on acid!"


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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 11:57am

I've made the following assumptions about HeadRAZZBerry's 15 year old son: 

*Due to HeadRAZZ's age, he's probably the youngest. 

*Batman Forever was released in mid June 1995. He was born between October 1995 and April 1996.

*A year ago, most boys in that age range where I lived looked like they were born in 2001 or 2002. If kids around him have had limited sunlight exposure and don't eat heavily, many of his peers did as well. 

*Assuming the Wilsons live near Hollywood (he often holds the RAZZIES there), he probably has a slim or medium build due to coastal blue state culture. 

*If a deal can't be carved out to have at least one of HeadRAZZ's children co-run the GRAF, then due to longer life spans, it'll probably take until 204X until he can plan on being HeadRAZZ's successor.
 
...but I still don't know why any of his family don't at least have accounts here.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 1:53pm
R.T.(15%):"Another claustrophobic thriller that Joel Schumacher can churn out in his sleep.It's nasty and aggressive, more unpleasant than entertaining".

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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 2:15pm
Actually before his death, Batman's creator Bob Kane also said that Kilmer played the best Batman.

PS: Bale's Batman sucks!  


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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 2:22pm
Um...both of the National Treasure movies were huge hits, Knowing was a hit, Ghost Rider managed to double it's production  budget, and as it's already been pointed out Season of the Witch made back double it's budget oversees. Like I said, give him an interesting script and audiences will eat it up. Besides anyone clamoring for Cage's career to end up going direct-to-video is only kidding themselves -- He'd have to regularly combine poor reviews and bad box office (a-la Cuba Gooding Jr), before that would ever happen. 

Originally posted by Head RAZZberry

 Okay, five or ten years ago, you may have had a valid point -- But does anyone remember the last time Nicolas Cage was in a movie both audiencesand critics liked??  Here's a  http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=nicolascage.htm -


Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 2:49pm
I hope that by "interesting script",you don't mean "good",right?

Anyway,he can't be compared to Cuba Gooding Jr..We all know when he became famous,but it wasn't until SNOW DOGS in '02 that he got a lead role*.That movie did good financially,but it was bad.Then he made 3 movies in '03 which were box office and critical failures,and earned him a Worst Actor nomination.Then in '04 he was in HOME ON THE RANGE,which was animated,so it doesn't count(we're talking about if his star power can attract audiences).Then he made 2 movies in '06 which grossed 6 figure numbers each.In '07,he was in a movie that grossed a 5 figure number,and he was nominated for Worst Actor again for NORBIT(supporting role in a box office hit)and DADDY DAY CAMP(lead role in a box office flop).The last theatrical movie he was in was HAROLD in '08,which also grossed a 5 figure number.Bottom line:regardless of who's the best actor or who has more good movies in their resumes,Nicolas has the star power appeal,and Cuba doesn't didn't.

*He had been co-lead until then.


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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 4:32pm
Hey, both Cage and Cuba have won Oscars and have been (or were) making bad decisions. Of course, Gooding's gonna attempt a comeback with Red Tails.

Also Radio wasn't a flop (a lot of people really enjoy it). It grossed $53 million on a production budget of 35 million (hit nor miss, nothing spectacular). It's actually one of his more successful films as a leading actor.


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 15 2011 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by whatsthepoint

Actually before his death, Batman's creator Bob Kane also said that Kilmer played the best Batman.

PS: Bale's Batman sucks!  
 
Actually, Bob Kane had very little to do with Batman. Sure he did come up with the idea of a man fighting crime named Batman, but go down to the link and see what he wanted him to look like. Looks like Aquaman, doesn't it!
 
If anything, Bill Finger is the "true" creater of Batman. He designed his iconic costume and created Bruce Wayne, Robin, and The Riddler. Link: http://www.cracked.com/article/97_7-iconic-characters-they-saved-from-cutting-room-floor_p2/ - http://www.cracked.com/article/97_7-iconic-characters-they-saved-from-cutting-room-floor_p2/  (Scroll down to number 1)


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Posted By: Odyssey
Date Posted: October 16 2011 at 3:53pm
Just Go with It AND Trespass: What's going on with Nicole Kidman's "career" this year???

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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: October 16 2011 at 9:28pm
Three last things about this film:
 
*Apparently, it grossed just over 18 grand, a microscopic sum for a film Nicole Kidman starred in. Then again, it only played in 10 theatres. One of them had to be in Los Angeles or NYC.
 
*This film wouldn't stand a chance of getting nominated had Nicolas Cage not also starred in Season of the Witch this past winter. It's nomination is equivalent to a congressional rider bill.
 
*This is the first time that 3 Worst New Movies of the Weak in a row have been limited releases.


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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 10:08am
Nicole Kidman's movies have very rarely made any money in the U.S.

I also wish that HeadRAZZbery would stop acting like this film was given a big release, it wasn't, it was limited, so of course it wasn't going to get any money.   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Exactly where/when did I "act like this film was given a big release"??  As I recall, I have repeatedly made the point that this film, top-lining two Oscar winners, was given such a minimal release -- and then did poorly even for a limited release -- should be a source of embarrassment to its makers. Here's a http://www.razzies.com/forum/lotsa-folksll-take-a-pass-on-this-One_topic5470.html - http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum-discussion-addl-info-on-trespass_forum571.html -
And its record-setting journey from big screen to small -- in a mere 18 days -- further supports my contention (and yours). 




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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 12:21pm
I dunno it just sounded like it from the way you wrote it up as the Worst of the Weak. Not to cause any outbursts or anything. Of course I read that the film was going to be released on DVD 2 weeks after it's release ,anyway.

Listen I know making that much is pathetic given the budget, but when the Studio clearly didn't have plans to have it be released in theaters for more than two weeks, there's not much else that can happen.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Just so we're clear here -- The makers of TRESPASS hadn't originally intended it to play for a mere 2 weeks in just 10 theatres. Test screenings must have done so poorly that that was the best they could do with their $35 million picture. And, in one of the few wise moves the movie-makers made, they didn't reveal its fastest-ever-to-home-video schedule until after it played out in theatres...  






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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 10:15am
Guess who else wants this to win a Razzie(skip to 1:45):
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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 12:24pm
LOL


Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 12:53pm
Only one (actually two) thing(s) stand in the way of Nicholas Cage getting Worst Actor...Adam Sandler in Jack And Jill... Dead

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 4:24pm

I've got around to seeing this.

The good:
 
It's short: It's only 98 minutes, which is still to long, but not so sadistically overlong that I give it an F.
 
The bad:
 
The script: This was written by Karl Gajdusek, who several episodes of Dead Like Me, a show I've never heard of before. The writing process probably went like this: "Wow, this pot is good! I wonder what's on? Panic Room, that's never been done before! I'll write that! Pot sure is good."
 
Cam Gigandet: With three strikes in a row, Gigandet really needs a Worst Supporting Actor nod.
 
Nicolas Cage: With three strikes in a row, Cage really needs a Worst Actor nod.
 
The ugly:
 
Jordana Spiro: Spiro was on My Boys, a show that I was aware of but have never seen. She's very annoying here as the token female in the home invader's group. And when I say very annoying, I mean VERY annoying! You'll cheer when she slams into the road sign!
 
Nicole Kidman: I can't say that this is her worst performance here, (Australia and Bewitched stand out more) but she's still pretty bad. Most of her performance consists of sitting on the floor while the home invaders man-handle her. Also, she screwed Gigandet's character in the past. What a girl!
 
Joel Schumacher: When someone is repeatedly criticized for something they usually either stop doing it (i.e. Bay moving the camera back so we could what's going on in Trannies Three) or aplogize for it. (i.e. JJ Abrams apologizing for all the lens flares in Star Trek) Schumacher has never apologized for his "music video" style directing habits. Several scenes have unneeded flashy cuts that wouldn't be out of place in a Michael Bay movie! At least Bay has the excuse of crawling out of the world of music video directors, Schumacher started out as a costume designer.*
 
I just watched Cars 2, which has a member-started forum here. To my surpirse, I actually enjoyed it, gave it a B, and I won't review it. Grade: D-
 
Next-up: Clash Of The Titans 2010! (No specific reason for reviewing it, just felt like it.)
 
*Schumacher did direct several music videos, but he didn't start there.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 4:47pm
Oh, no, no! If you can't make any more themed weeks or months, please continue reviewing whatever you want. Especially if it already has a forum here.  

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Next-up: Clash Of The Titans 2010! (No specific reason for reviewing it, just felt like it.)


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