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Topic: Here 'Tis...
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Here 'Tis...
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 7:10am
HERE's WHERE to "DROP YER TWO CENTS" REGARDING ANY 2012 MOVIE YOU'VE GOT A GRIPE ABOUT. 

AND HERE's the  http://www.razzies.com/forum/the-list-jan-1jan-13-2012_topic5686.html - to SEE the COMPLETE LIST of 2012 RELEASES.  ANYBODY WANNA GUESS HOW MANY TITLES WE'LL HAVE LISTED by YEAR's END??? 




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Posted By: Vheid
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 7:13am
The trailer for the new Miley Cyrus/Demi Moore-movie LOL: Laughing Out Loud.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAgh03R1fJA&feature=player_embedded - LINK .  

Any thoughts?


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 9:18am
Kill it with fire!  

Originally posted by Vheid

The trailer for the new Miley Cyrus/Demi Moore-movie LOL: Laughing Out Loud.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAgh03R1fJA&feature=player_embedded - LINK

Any thoughts?


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 10:52am
I thought L.O.L. was gonna be like THIRTEEN, but the trailer makes it look... hip. And that takes away all the seriousness of teen problems. 

Originally posted by Vheid

The trailer for the new Miley Cyrus/Demi Moore-movie LOL: Laughing Out Loud.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAgh03R1fJA&feature=player_embedded - LINK . Any thoughts?


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Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: January 09 2012 at 10:55pm
Meanwhile, the noms for the DGA Awards have been announced. And they are:
 
Michel Hazanavicius - The Artist
Alexander Payne - The Descendants
David Fincher - The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
Martin Scorsese - Hugo
Woody Allen - Midnight in Paris
 
And on the subject of this year's releases, two release that I see possibly winding its way onto this forum are 'Wrath of the Titans' and 'Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence'. In the case of the latter, watching Nicolas 'Gimme the Razzie' Cage performing a piss joke with fire is enough to make anyone turn off with disgust.


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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 2:52am
So L.O.L. should be coming out this year, unless something "out of the blue" happens?   

Originally posted by Vheid

The trailer for the new Miley Cyrus/Demi Moore-movie LOL: Laughing Out Loud.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAgh03R1fJA&feature=player_embedded - LINK .  
Any thoughts?


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 6:40am
Man! Although I think MIDNIGHT IN PARIS is over-rated, I don't have a major problem with being nominated for some awards. But Best Director from the DGA?! And instead of DRIVE?!    

Originally posted by Film Reel Redemption

Meanwhile, the noms for the DGA Awards have been announced. And they are:
 
Michel Hazanavicius - The Artist
Alexander Payne - The Descendants
David Fincher - The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
Martin Scorsese - Hugo
Woody Allen - Midnight in Paris


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 8:56am
When I saw Mission: Impossible: Ghost Protocol, people actually groaned when the trailer for Wrath Of The Titans came on!    

Originally posted by Film Reel Redemption

And on the subject of this year's releases, two release that I see possibly winding its way onto this forum are 'Wrath of the Titans' and 'Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence'. In the case of the latter, watching Nicolas 'Gimme the Razzie' Cage performing a piss joke with fire is enough to make anyone turn off with disgust.


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 2:02pm

When the Battleship trailer played before Sherlock Holmes 2*, people laughed.

*Grade: B


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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: January 10 2012 at 3:00pm
Could LOL: Laughing Out Loud and The Biggest Movie of All Time 3D be any indication? With enough films that bad, could there possibly be 10 Worst Picture nominees for 2012, as there were in 1980? 
 
Film Reel Redemption, you can see Spirit of Vengeance and Wrath of the Titans possibly getting forums here? I think they're both almost guaranteed! 
 
And I predict there will be about 70 films with official contenders' forums, but I don't know how many member-started forums there'll be (thank you very little, jesse685!) 
 
And I think the Worst New Movie for January 20 will be Underworld: Awakening.


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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 11 2012 at 4:17am
Remember One-Time Razzie winner Kristy McNichol? Well, turns out she's a lesbo...  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: McNichol says she "came out" to encourage teen-agers who are victims of bullying by their peers. From the insensitive nature of his post above, it looks to me like Oiram may be one of the people McNichol was talking about... 




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Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.

Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 11 2012 at 7:31am
Shocked
You are on fire these days!
Originally posted by oiram

Remember One-Time Razzie winner Kristy McNichol? Well, turns out she's a lesbo...




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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 11 2012 at 6:42pm
I applaud Ms. McNichol's courage in taking a step that might encourage teenagers who have been victimized by bullying...we need more more people out there willing to stand as positive role models.

Originally posted by oiram

Remember One-Time Razzie winner Kristy McNichol? Well, turns out she's a lesbo...  

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: McNichol says she "came out" to encourage teen-agers who are victims of bullying by their peers. From the insensitive nature of his post above, it looks to me like Oiram may be one of the people McNichol was talking about...
 





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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 8:06am
Jack & Jill's playing at the mark-down theater this weekend! And just in time for me to turn in my nominating ballot!  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: In preparation, I hope you've left at least one slot open in every category where JACK & JILL is listed on the Nominating Ballot -- After you've seen five minutes of it, you'll want to be RAZZed at least once in EVERY category!  




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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 8:54am
There's a movie called Warm Bodies, that sounds terrible. It's, apparantly, a romance about zombies. From Summit, the studio that brought us Twatlight. Yes, because when I watch The Walking Dead, I want to see the zombies make-out! Link: http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/01/ugh-a-teen-zombie-romance-from-the-twilight-studio - http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/01/ugh-a-teen-zombie-romance-from-the-twilight-studio

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 10:11am
I get the concept of a vampire romance: they're only half-monsters. So it's interesting to dig into the humanity of a half-human. But zombies are meant to be nothing more than monsters.

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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 10:45am
Originally posted by oiram

Remember One-Time Razzie winner Kristy McNichol? Well, turns out she's a lesbo...  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: McNichol says she "came out" to encourage teen-agers who are victims of bullying by their peers. From the insensitive nature of his post above, it looks to me like Oiram may be one of the people McNichol was talking about... 


I am really sorry. I didn't know "lesbo" was offensive until I talked with my parents. I'll be more careful next time.


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Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 11:16am
I think it's more about how you say it than the word.

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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 12:59pm

That's for sure.


Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: January 12 2012 at 11:13pm

Here's the list of the winners of the 2012 Critics Choice Awards:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/idUS416497084420120113 - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/idUS416497084420120113
 
Your thoughts, anybody?   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: While I thought the actual winners were all over the place (almost nothing won more than 2 awards) the show itself was actually well-written and moved quickly. I especially thought the "Non-Motion Capture Actors" bit at the head of the show, and the "Tribute to Characters Who Died in 2011" were clever and amusing... 




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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 10:27am
I got some terrible news guys. Link: http://news.moviefone.com/2012/01/13/grown-ups-2-gets-release-_n_1204108.html - http://news.moviefone.com/2012/01/13/grown-ups-2-gets-release-_n_1204108.html

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 11:15am
I was happy to see that  The Help won several of the acting honors at the Critics' Choice Awards...imho, it was the year's best movie.

Originally posted by Film Reel Redemption

Here's the list of the winners of the 2012 Critics Choice Awards:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/idUS416497084420120113 - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/idUS416497084420120113
 
Your thoughts, anybody?
 



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 11:15am
[QUOTE=SchumacherH8ter] I got some terrible news guys. Link: http://news.moviefone.com/2012/01/13/grown-ups-2-gets-release-_n_1204108.html%5b/QUOTE - http://news.moviefone.com/2012/01/13/grown-ups-2-gets-release-_n_1204108.html[/QUOTE ]
Dead
 
DOH!!!!!
 


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 1:03pm
I think that they're making a sequel because out of the last three Happy Madison movies, Jack & Jill and Zookeeper underperformed domestically and Bucky Larson outright bombed. Sandler probably thinks that they flopped because they're "different" and not because the public is fed up with him.
 
There's one thing that always bothered me about Grown Ups: the budget. It cost $80 million! How the f*ck did that cost $80 mil? Just Go With It cost $80 mil, too, Jack & Jill cost $79, Chuck & Larry cost $85 mil, The Longest Yard cost $82 mil, and Anger Management cost $75 mil. Why do Adam Sandler movies cost so much?


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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 1:40pm

They cost a lot because Sandler's paycheck usually takes up 1/4 of the budget. Anyway Zookeeper didn't underperform (it made more than 160 million and it's opening weekend was 20 million, which is what they were predicting). Plus Jack and Jill actually did better than some were predicting, some were saying it wasn't going to even make 20 million, but it's still not a hit.


Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 1:50pm
Trailer for http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/first-trailer-for-wes-anderson-s-moonrise-kingdom - Moonrise Kingdom
 
I don't know. Doesn't look that good, but then again, haven't seen any of Wes Anderson's films. What do you guys think?


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 2:25pm
It was meant domestically. I'll edit my post so that there won't be any future confusion.  
 
The paycheck explains a lot, but it still bothers me. Bedtime Stories cost as much as Grown Ups and it had a lot of special effects and fancy sets.  

Originally posted by whatsthepoint


They cost a lot because Sandler's paycheck usually takes up 1/4 of the budget. Anyway Zookeeper didn't underperform (it made more than 160 million and it's opening weekend was 20 million, which is what they were predicting). Plus Jack and Jill actually did better than some were predicting, some were saying it wasn't going to even make 20 million, but it's still not a hit.


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 2:33pm
In a just world, Sandler would be paying people to make his films, rather than getting paid huge bucks to make them. Then again, in a truly just world, the only job Sandler could get that had anything to do with the movies would be sweeping up popcorn in some theater.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 2:52pm
It makes sense that, of all Happy Madison movies, that GROWN UPS gets a sequel: it doesn't have a real plot, so a sequel wouldn't affect the first one.

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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: January 13 2012 at 3:45pm
So Adam Sandler demands roughly 19 to 20 Megadollars for each film. How many actors demand more?
 
And, at least as far as I'm convinced, planetary box office matters more than domestic. And if Grown-Ups (Bottom 40 Films of 2010, #13) had the most amorphous plot... I can't decide if fleshing out a more solid plot would make Grown-Ups 2 a lesser or greater evil.
 
Moonrise Kingdom... the director, Wes Wales-Anderson also made The Royal Tenenbaums and Fantastic Mr. Fox, two of my past Top 40ers. None of his films were ever one of ours. Besides, it's opening against Men in Black III, which many of you said won't be as bad as Battleship.


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 14 2012 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by GTAHater767

So Adam Sandler demands roughly 19 to 20 Megadollars for each film. How many actors demand more?
 
And, at least as far as I'm convinced, planetary box office matters more than domestic.
There are 2 reasons why I can't take "planetary" box-office very seriously:
 
1. In a given country, or significant portion there of, I have no real information as to how many options the film-goers may have at any given time. It could well be that global box-office totals can be skewed by some meglomaniac like the most recent incarnation of the North Korean dynasty who only permits the citizenry to see Adam Sandler flicks because he personally likes them.
 
2. The plurality of the world's population thinks that soccer is a really cool sport. Case Closed.Wink


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 14 2012 at 10:11pm
I agree with both of saturnwatcher's points. Specifically, the second one.

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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 2:18am
So you intentionally insult others, and you think it's ok for you to do that?  

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Originally posted by GTAHater767

So Adam Sandler demands roughly 19 to 20 Megadollars for each film. How many actors demand more?
 
And, at least as far as I'm convinced, planetary box office matters more than domestic.
There are 2 reasons why I can't take "planetary" box-office very seriously:
 
1. In a given country, or significant portion there of, I have no real information as to how many options the film-goers may have at any given time. It could well be that global box-office totals can be skewed by some meglomaniac like the most recent incarnation of the North Korean dynasty who only permits the citizenry to see Adam Sandler flicks because he personally likes them.
 
2. The plurality of the world's population thinks that soccer is a really cool sport. Case Closed.Wink


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 8:53am
The only people he insulted were the leader of North Korea (a lunatic) and fans of soccer, which a lot of people also hate.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 9:43am
1)I can assure you that, aside from 3rd World countries and countries with dictators, box-office results are similar.
2)I'm not a fan, but I still think it's better than your version of football. You see, Latinamerican hooligans are as dangerous as the british hooligans. In a football game, the players don't tackle one another, so that means there are less dead bodies.LOL

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

1. In a given country, or significant portion there of, I have no real information as to how many options the film-goers may have at any given time. It could well be that global box-office totals can be skewed by some meglomaniac like the most recent incarnation of the North Korean dynasty who only permits the citizenry to see Adam Sandler flicks because he personally likes them.
 
2. The plurality of the world's population thinks that soccer is a really cool sport. Case Closed.Wink

I'm pretty sure the wink means "I'm kidding!"LOL 

Originally posted by oiram

So you intentionally insult others and its ok for you to do that?



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 11:59am
Sometimes, but certainly not always true. In fact, certain countries and regions of the world show pronounced bias towards attending movies in certain genres. I won't necessarily suggest that American taste is demonstrably superior to the rest of the world, just that box-office numbers can be skewed for that reason.

Originally posted by Vits

1)I can assure you that, aside from 3rd World countries and countries with dictators, box-office results are similar.
 
2)I'm not a fan, but I still think it's better than your version of football. You see, Latinamerican hooligans are as dangerous as the british hooligans. In a football game, the players don't tackle one another, so that means there are less dead bodies.LOL
Ever heard of an American football riot? No. The reason there are soccer riots is because the game is so painfully boring the fans have to amuse themselves somehow! LOLWink But, permit me to offer one bit of praise for soccer. We teach it to 5 year-olds in order to find out whether or not they have sufficent athletic aptitude to play real sports. Smile
Originally posted by oiram

So you intentionally insult others and its ok for you to do that?
I'm pretty sure the wink means "I'm kidding!".
True...but then again, it is okay because I'm on a mission from God...even though I don't believe there is one!  LOL Wink  

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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 12:58pm
"I won't necessarily suggest that American taste is demonstrably superior to the rest of the world"

Not guessing your opinion about it, but I honestly, seriously think no other country on the planet owns the "let's build it up, just to tear it down" mentality like the Americans.
The hype that is build around some movies or franchises, as well as the trashing afterwards.
I like that different countries have different tastes, and some go almost totally uneffected by what's "in" in America. They like or dislike a movie and the work behind it for what it is.
And that's how it should be.



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Posted By: Vheid
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 2:34pm
I remember once being in an English sportsbar with an openly gay friend of mine.... American Football was on TV and we started talking about the sport, at one point he said "There is actually something very gay about being paid to jump on top of other men".... The smartest remark I ever heard about any sport....
I remember Holland winning the Baseball World Cup a couple of months  http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/10/dutch-win-first-world-cup-rain-gives-canada-bronze/ - link .... No one in my country (including me) even knew that we had baseball team....

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Originally posted by vits

2)I'm not a fan, but I still think it's better than your version of football. You see, Latinamerican hooligans are as dangerous as the british hooligans. In a football game, the players don't tackle one another, so that means there are less dead bodies.LOL
Ever heard of an American football riot? No. The reason there are soccer riots is because the game is so painfully boring the fans have to amuse themselves somehow! LOLWink But, permit me to offer one bit of praise for soccer. We teach it to 5 year-olds in order to find out whether or not they have sufficent athletic aptitude to play real sports. Smile




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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 3:43am
So I'm guessing Next Week's Worst of the Weak pick is Underworld Awakening? Though, HeadRAZZ could surprise us and choose Red Tails instead.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 7:40am
An unnecessary sequel* vs a late Oscar-baiter with Razzie repeat offenders? I think the question should be "Which will be the #1 Worst New Movie... and which will be #2?"  

*I haven't seen the other 3 UNDERWORLD movies, but rarely is a 4th installment needed.


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 8:28am
I've stated my opinion, but here is the fact upon which it is based: For any given movie released in the United States, I can easily pull up accurate statistics for how many screens it is playing on in any given week, and if I want to dig a little, I can even find out where the numbers are coming from. As an example, if some future release of Dukes of Hazzard 2 is drawing surprisingly big opening numbers, and I dig into the numbers and find out that it is playing on an exceptionally large number of screens in Alabama and Mississippi, those numbers make sense. For international numbers, all I can ever really get are the grosses. It is almost impossible to find out exactly where those numbers are coming from which makes the data pretty worthless.

Originally posted by mbh

"I won't necessarily suggest that American taste is demonstrably superior to the rest of the world"

Not guessing your opinion about it, but I honestly, seriously think no other country on the planet owns the "let's build it up, just to tear it down" mentality like the Americans.
The hype that is build around some movies or franchises, as well as the trashing afterwards.
I like that different countries have different tastes, and some go almost totally uneffected by what's "in" in America. They like or dislike a movie and the work behind it for what it is.
And that's how it should be.

 



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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 11:52am
Depending on the country. Some of the European countries do have the data available. People just don't know where or how to find them, especially if it's in another language and they are unfamiliar with the distributer.
I'm not claiming that every country is well organized. But I doubt that the data provided is "pretty worthless" just because the screen numbers aren't found as easily as the numbers for North American screens.
I haven't taken the time to look into it, but I personally would be curious about cinemas in the Middle Eastern Region. I have a friend in Bosnia, who is into movies, and he said they get most of the American movies there. But I of course would not know where to check or how to find any of their numbers, so I understand what you are critisizing when we have the totals but not the screens and don't even know if it was a good screen average or the income of a movie is a hit for that country.




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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 12:38pm
"In fact, certain countries and regions of the world show pronounced bias towards attending movies in certain genres." 

Can you give an example?  
I'm not talking about the ones rejecting all kinds of movies because of their supposed bad messages, but did you find a certain pattern in different coutries? That would be interesting.  


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 4:17pm
I just sent my ballot in. I used two write-ins: Adam Sandler in Zookeeper for Worst Supporting Actor and Katherine Heigl in New Year's Eve for Worst Supporting Actress.

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Posted By: whatsthepoint
Date Posted: January 16 2012 at 5:39pm
I think the real question should be, will Red Tails actually get an Official Forum?  

Originally posted by Vits

 An unnecessary sequel* vs a late Oscar-baiter with Razzie repeat offenders? I think the question should be "Which will be the #1 Worst New Movie... and which will be #2?"  

*I haven't seen the other 3 UNDERWORLD movies, but rarely is a 4th installment needed.


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Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: January 17 2012 at 5:14am
The Golden Globe results are but a day old, and already the BAFTA nominations have come a knocking on our doors - http://www.movieweb.com/news/2012-bafta-awards-nominations - LINK .



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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 17 2012 at 7:15am
Yes...Westerns have always been disproportionately popular in Eastern European countries...that has been true for decades. As a second and more specific example, comedies have always done better in Italy than in the other European countries as a whole and they also do much better than average in Canada. The U.S. shows higher appreciation for police and action movies than the world as a whole, while martial arts films out perform the worldwide average in Japan by a significant percentage. My source on this is a study conducted by Dr.  Alain d'Astous of the University of Florida, Professor Francois Colbert of HEC Montreal and Veronique Nobert of HEC Montreal. And yes, while it is true that it is possible to dig up reasonably concise data for Europe, that is a rather small percentage of the global data set, so yes, the overall data is difficult to evalutate. Further, a lot of American movies don't make it into China and southeast Asia, so again, the data is skewed. 

Originally posted by mbh

"In fact, certain countries and regions of the world show pronounced bias towards attending movies in certain genres."

Can you give an example?
I'm not talking about the ones rejecting all kinds of movies because of their supposed bad messages, but did you find a certain pattern in different coutries? That would be interesting.



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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: January 17 2012 at 1:20pm
Firstly, thanks for providing that source. That subject is highly interesting to me. I understand they don't have any facts to prove it, but too bad that they don't throw out a few more examples. And I wished they could have taken the UK, Germany or African countries into the group.
One of my theories is, for fifty years or longer, they sold the "American Dream" story. And with no internet and high flight prices, not too many people were able to prove it either way. The idea of the Wild West and big romance definitely had something intriguing for a lot of people.
Nowadays people realize America is struggling just like everybody else. But even if the preferences have shifted, people still like to escape reality and be sucked into the movieworld. Too bad that I, for one, think what we are being presented, not only by Hollywood, gets worse and worse.

Secondly, while it is annoying when I can't find the data I want to know about for a certain country, I don't have a reason to mistrust the results any country is providing. I'll take whatever is provided, and I don't think it skews the overall impression of the success of a movie in general.
I admit, the worldwide success of Transformers 3 did startle me a bit. Your example of the Adam Sandler loving, korean meglomaniac is funny, but when you say you don't take the global box office too seriously it's good enough. I think that's how most people handle it, at least for some countries. I also keep wondering about some statistics, e.g. New Zealand joined with Fiji, but the data is good enough for me.

Now, what bothers me and drove me personally away from giving to much credit to many American critics and in some rare cases the box office of a movie, is, when you look through their write ups, the snark is unbearable, and so is the hype. Funny enough, I don't see myself owning the charachteristics of a person who mainly relies on critics described in the article, anyways.
Even if you excuse it with unfullfilled quality expectations and cultural values, they do influence the box office in a positiv or negative way. You can have all the data you want, but every now and then a movie is under- or overrated, independent on the quality. There's nothing one can do about it, but it does frustrate me. I try to be as flexible as possible and to see it from different perspectives, but I think we all know a movie or two which has not had the success it deserved, and more so here, we know about movies which are overrated.






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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 7:17pm
Hold on there, hoss! The full text of the study that I cited runs some 300 pages and is based on box-office data from several nations over a period of about 10 years. A brief review of the study was published for popular consumption in the International Journal of Arts and Managment, but the full text is available in most university libraries. (You wouldn't believe some of the other crap I have read in my spare time LOL) I cited only a few brief examples with no concise data, which is a reflection of my judgement on appropriate reporting. That, if errant, is soley my error and should not be a reflection on their study. I just didn't think the readers here would be interested in a rather lengthy summary of dry market analysis.

Originally posted by mbh

Firstly, thanks for providing that source. That subject is highly interesting to me. I understand they don't have any facts to prove it, but too bad that they don't throw out a few more examples.

And I wished they could have taken the UK, Germany or African countries into the group.
 

UK and Germany were included in the study. Africa was not for a variety of rather obvious reasons. Key among them, the relative sparsity of data and the overall unreliability of it.

Secondly, while it is annoying when I can't find the data I want to know about for a certain country I don't have a reason to mistrust the results any country is providing. I'll take whatever is provided, and I don't think it skews the overall impression of the success of a movie in general.

In science, "taking what is provided" without being certain that the data truly represents reality is a ticket to a new career opportunity. Typically, it involves the phrase, "Would you like fries with that?" Effectively, you are looking at data, it satisfies a preestablished bias you have, so you say, "ok, this must be correct." THAT is a dangerous way to evaluate data.
 
 Your example of the Adam Sandler loving, korean meglomaniac is funny, but when you say you don't take the global box office too seriously it's good enough.
 

My example of the Adam Sandler loving, Korean Meglomanic was, to put it in the venacular, completely pulled out of my ass. The previous dictator of North Korea was known to be a big fan of American movies and he reportedly owned 10's of thousands of DVD's and VCR tapes. However, I used that example to demonstrate a point: That a signficant global population can have their tastes dictated by the whims of one or a few individuals, and that IS occuring in several nations around the globe.
 
 



 


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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 10:49pm
No, it wasn't you, it was this excerpt:

"On the basis of this preliminary
study, 11 countries (Brazil, Canada,
China, Denmark, France, Iran, Italy, Japan,
Mexico, Spain and the United States) and 12
movie genres (action/adventure, animation,
art/auteur, martial arts, comedy, documentary,
drama, history, horror, police, science fiction
and social) were selected as research stimuli."

I probably just caught a little snippet of it. But I can't wait to read the whole study, doesn't matter how dry it is, as soon as I can take the time to find it.

"THAT is a dangerous way to evaluate data."
Since I don't have to do it for living, just solely for my own entertainment, I'll take it. If the box office shows me, Trannies 3 made 116,334 $ in East Africa, as you said I have ZERO possibilities to check the correctness of that number, but in the end, that doesn't make that much of a difference in the success of the movie, obviously. I say, ok, that number could be correct, and that's that. But again, it's depending on a lot of factors and I don't want to generalize.
Agreed that it can be dangerous to handle things that way, of course. I do hope they keep exact track of e.g. health threatening deseases.
 



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Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 11:11am
Razzie winner Rob Lowe caused quite a stir when he announced that Payton Manning was retiring.  I haven't seen any stories that confirm that the rumor is true.

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

Razzie winner Rob Lowe caused quite a stir when he announced that Payton Manning was retiring.  I haven't seen any stories that confirm that the rumor is true.
The consensus that I have heard from people who probably know more about football that Rob Lowe is that Payton Manning has almost certainly played his last game for the Colts, but assuming that he recovers adequately from his injuries, he'll probably be playing somewhere next season. There is a lot of speculation that the Jets are the most interested team, which would create an interesting situation where both Manning brothers are playing in New York...well, the state just south of there where both teams actually play. For some reason when I actually type the name of the state, something else not very complimentary appears in my post instead of the name of the state.  But I suspect the New York City is big enough for both of them.
 
Evidently, Rob Lowe IS a pretty good friend of Colt's owner Robert Irsay, but I wouldn't put much stock in either source.


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Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 10:51pm
Due to all the talk about the possibility of 'Red Tails' joining the list of contenders (which it now can due to its 33% on Rotten Tomatoes), I surprised nobody has yet brought this story up:
 
http://gotchamovies.com/news/george-lucas-retirement-3804 - http://gotchamovies.com/news/george-lucas-retirement-3804  (from blockbusters though)
 
 


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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by Film Reel Redemption

Due to all the talk about the possibility of 'Red Tails' joining the list of contenders (which it now can due to its 33% on Rotten Tomatoes), I surprised nobody has yet brought this story up:
 
http://gotchamovies.com/news/george-lucas-retirement-3804 - http://gotchamovies.com/news/george-lucas-retirement-3804  (from blockbusters though)
 
Here's the first comment on the article:
 
"Remember Episode 609, Free Hat? Remember ET: The 20th Anniversary Edition, one of the 40 worst films of 2002, with all its political correctness scandals? Remember how Cartman, Stan, Kyle, and Tweek had to fight to save films from their directors? Remember Episode 1208, The China Probrem, and the heinous offences he and Ste*en Speilberg committed against Indiana Jones? Our beloved franchises are another step closer to being safe from their directors' sordid history with remakes and sequels that have haunted them for the past 13 years!"
 
Now I have another dilemma about Red Tails.
In favor of giving it a forum:
Cuba Gooding Jr. should've taken the opportunity to redeem himself. Instead, although it's not the appalling mess that Boat Trip and the Fighting Temptations, two of the Bottom 40 Films of 2003, and Daddy Day Camp and Norbit, two of the Bottom 40 Films of 2007, were, Red Tails is simply bad. If George Lucas is to retire soon, I wouldn't be proud to go out with something like this if I were him.
Against giving it a forum:
Well, it's not as bad as his past four RAZZIE nominated films, so if it's to be remembered in 11 1/2 months, it has to be worse than this. I doubt Cuba Gooding Jr. will star in any more films this year, so if The Three Stooges will be as bad as we expect it to, what's there to nominate?


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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 4:07am
Trailer for http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/first-trailer-for-resident-evil-retribution - Resident Evil 5 .
 
All I gotta say about is - looks like it's a weird one.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 7:16am
I propose RED TAILS to at least be named the Bonus Worst New Movie. It might be Lucas' last chance to get a Razzie. He said he's only retiring from making blockbusters, but what would he make instead? Since he's all about money, he wouldn't risk losing his investment with another movie like AMERICAN GRAFFITI. TAILS might also be Gooding Jr.'s last chance. I don't know why he was given another theatrical release after so many years, but I doubt he'll get many more.

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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 2:27pm
Lucas has already "won" a Razzie: Worst Screenplay for Episode II.    

Originally posted by Vits

I propose RED TAILS to at least be named the Bonus Worst New Movie. It might be Lucas' last chance to get a Razzie.
 


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 8:46am
OK -- But why should Lucas "win" only one?  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Vits -- If you feel so strongly about RED TAILS, feel free to set up a Member-Started Forum on it -- Here's the http://www.razzies.com/forum/memberstarted-discussions-of-2012-releases_forum593.html - to me TAILS doesn't look like a "memorable" enough bad movie, especially this early in the year (and with so much more promising dreck coming down the pike between now and year's end)...  




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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 9:15am
At this point in his life and career, Lucas probably doesn't need more money. He might very well concentrate on the kind of movies he personally enjoys making. American Graffiti had a production budget of just under $800,000 (which would translate to $3-$4 million at present). That is chump change for Lucas, so it wouldn't be that big of a gamble. And any film he puts his name on would make at least 10 times that in just its opening weekend.  

Originally posted by Vits

  He said he's only retiring from making blockbusters, but what would he make instead? Since he's all about money, he wouldn't risk losing his investment with another movie like AMERICAN GRAFFITI.


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Posted By: Anuss
Date Posted: January 22 2012 at 3:26pm
I also think there should be 10 titles nominated for Worst Picture. 

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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 5:32am
Soooo....... One for the Money?  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Yes, indeed. Some time between now and Thursday morning, I will be posting the various LINKS to declare ONE FOR THE MONEY as my Worst of the Weak pick...  




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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 12:59pm
Justin Bieber wants to remake one of my favorite bad movies: Fear with Mark Wahlberg!* Link: http://www.thesuperficial.com/justin-bieber-fear-remake-mark-wahlberg-01-2012 - http://www.thesuperficial.com/justin-bieber-fear-remake-mark-wahlberg-01-2012
 
*http://www.agonybooth.com/video319_Fear_1996_Mark_Wahlberg_Reese_Witherspoon.aspx


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 1:02pm
"Wants"?

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 2:08pm
Yeah, Bieber wants to be the next Mark Wahlberg. He says it's going to be PG-13, so that means that all the things that made Fear so awesomely bad (the rollercoaster scene, "let me in the f*cking house!", etc.) will be absent.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 2:10pm
God! I mean, good for him for trying to breakout of his image and look more masculine, but there are other ways to do that.

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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 3:17pm
Now stuff from the 90s is being remade?  
 
So if Bieber is playing the Whalberg part, then I guess Selena Gomez would end up playing the Witherspoon part. 
 
Oh, and since we are on the subject of people attempting comebacks with remakes:  http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/jan-de-bont-to-remake-johnny-cash-s-five-minutes-to-live - LINK  

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Justin Bieber wants to remake one of my favorite bad movies: Fear with Mark Wahlberg!* Link: http://www.thesuperficial.com/justin-bieber-fear-remake-mark-wahlberg-01-2012 - http://www.thesuperficial.com/justin-bieber-fear-remake-mark-wahlberg-01-2012
 
*http://www.agonybooth.com/video319_Fear_1996_Mark_Wahlberg_Reese_Witherspoon.aspx



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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 3:50pm
So he's gonna tattoo "SELENA 4 EVA" on his chest with a ball-point pen? Is Demi Lovato gonna play Alyssa Milano's role? There's some leaked photos of her that look like a scene from Embrace Of The Vampire.

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 10:12pm
We've had the discussion about ten Worst Picture nominations:  

1. Our voting membership is too small  
 
2. Even AMPAS is more or less dumping the 10 nomination format. Rules changes this year will require that all nominees beyond the top 5 receive a certain number of first place votes to make the ballot, so the actual number of nominees will be at least 5, but probably less than 10. Figure on 7 or 8  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: The Oscar nominations have just been announced, and there are actually NINE nominees for Best Picture. Among them (inexplicably) is WAR HORSE, which has no other major nominations(??). Here's a http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawards/84/nominees.html -
Originally posted by Anuss

I also think there should be 10 titles nominated for Worst Picture. 


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Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 6:39am
I have just seen the Oscar nominations and just as I did last year, I am going to list my Top 5 People that the Academy Needs to Apologize To:

5. "Arthur Christmas", "The Adventures of Tintin", and "Winnie the Pooh" - You know something is clearly wrong when these three movies aren't nominated for Best Animated Feature.  Moviegoers are pissed.

4. Michael Rapaport and James Marsh - How are "Beats Rhymes & Life: The Travels of a Tribe called Quest" and "Project Nim" not nominees for Best Documentary Feature?  These two deserved a legitimate shot at that category and they got rejected.

3. Tilda Swinton - In other awards, she got a number of nods for her part in "We Need to Talk About Kevin".  How did she get overlooked by the Academy?

2. Bennett Miller and David Fincher - These two did a pretty good job directing "Moneyball" and "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".  Yet for some unknown reason, these guys choose Terrence Malick instead.  I have yet to know why.

1. The World - For choosing three overrated movies ("Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close", "The Help", and "War Horse") over a number of superior movies (including "Drive", "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy", and "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2"), the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has insulted moviegoers and critics all over the world and has proven themselves to be nothing more than silly fools with no common sense when it comes to choosing the best movies of the year.  Let the Oscar boycott begin!


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Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 6:56am
You also forgot, Miguel, that various people on the internet are also cheesed off that Albert Brooks was not nominated for Best Supporting Actor for 'Drive'...

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Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 9:22am
Just for fun, here are the nominees for the Methane Movie Awards:  http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/547075 - http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/547075

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 9:54am
@Miguel:
1)What does the "Worst Excuse For A Movie" mean exactly?
2)I wouldn't say J. EDGAR is that overrated. It received several Best Actor nominations, but I don't think it got nominations for Best Movie (except from the AFI Awards). And while THE HELP was manipulative at times, it's not a bad movie overall.
3)It's alright if you don't like Peter Travers, but I think you need a better reason than that.
4)If I remember correctly, you awards consisted on your picks as well. When will you post them?


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Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 3:15pm
@Vits
1. It's a category for movies that shouldn't have been made or movies that aren't really movies at all.
2. "J. Edgar" made AFI's Top 10 and the National Board of Review's Top 10.  As for "The Help", I don't think a film with a Tomatometer rating of 76% is a legit Best Picture contender.  I thought about putting "War Horse" on there, but I didn't.
3. You should see the feedback he's getting from his videos.  Most of the comments say that the readers are tired of him reviewing bad movies and hardly mentioning any good ones.
4. When you say "When will you post your picks?", does that mean when I will vote or when I will post them on this forum?


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

It's a category for movies that shouldn't have been made or movies that aren't really movies at all.
So I just choose the one I think it's the worst?
Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

As for "The Help", I don't think a film with a Tomatometer rating of 76% is a legit Best Picture contender.  I thought about putting "War Horse" on there, but I didn't.
But it is kind of a legit system. For example: If the nominees where the 10 movies with the highest scores on R.T. and/or Metacritic, how would AMPAS justify that they're not the ones with the most nominations, and that movies with lower scores got a lot more? THE HELP and WAR HORSE would still have been nominated in the other categories because they more likely deserve it.
Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

When you say "When will you post your picks?", does that mean when I will vote or when I will post them on this forum?
You won't post them in that same site? Wait, you also vote in that poll? I thought your picks were chosen separately from the poll.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 4:11pm
Click http://www.mrskin.com/anatomyawards -


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

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4. Michael Rapaport and James Marsh - How are "Beats Rhymes & Life: The Travels of a Tribe called Quest" and "Project Nim" not nominees for Best Documentary Feature?  These two deserved a legitimate shot at that category and they got rejected.

Project Nim was not only expected to be nominated as Best Documentary Feature, it was the odds on favorite to win....and it should have. This is one of the biggest Oscar injustices in years.


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

As for "The Help", I don't think a film with a Tomatometer rating of 76% is a legit Best Picture contender.  I thought about putting "War Horse" on there, but I didn't.
One man's opinion to be sure. I've seen 6 of the 9 nominated films and if I had a vote, The Help would be my selection as Best Picture. It is not only a legitimate choice this year, imho it is one of the best films of the last 4 or 5 years.


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 6:40pm
I'm surprised you loved it so much. I've seen all but Incredibly Loud and Extremely Close, but The Help is one of the inferior films in my opinion. I liked it enough, but I didn't feel it was all that great. However, I'm glad for Octavia Spencer after seeing her in those countless nurse roles she got in her acting career.

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

One man's opinion to be sure. I've seen 6 of the 9 nominated films and if I had a vote, The Help would be my selection as Best Picture. It is not only a legitimate choice this year, imho it is one of the best films of the last 4 or 5 years.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 7:01pm
Sometimes you just know you are on the right track LOL

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 7:24pm
I'm in the same pool as MWG when it comes to how many Best Picture nominees I've seen. While I agree that The Help is the weakest of all the ones I've seen, it's still a REALLY good movie and I hope that Octavia Spencer wins.
 
 
The snubbing of Drive and the Best Picture nod for Extremely Bad Looking & Incredibly Opportunistic* is disgusting and represenative of how people complain about the Oscars being out of touch.
 
*Three minutes into this video, the author mentions that the first draft was written without a mention of 9/11, which means that they're literally taking advantage of 9/11! Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGwQ2BFqp-0&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGwQ2BFqp-0&feature=related


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 8:01pm

So, what would you rate The Help behind? The War Horse? No...Incredibly Bad and Extremely Manipulative? Clearly no. Tree of Life? Wildly WILDLY overrated. Moneyball...I'm a baseball fan and overall I enjoyed it, but there is no way it is an Oscar nominee in a 5 nominee system. The Descendents? I could listen to an argument, but frankly I think it is more of a movie that Oscar voters like to vote for than one with much real social relevance. Now...The Artist will probably win Best Picture which really has more to do with novelty value than with really being a particularly important movie. I liked it, but frankly, I think it's more hat than cowboy.



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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: January 24 2012 at 8:54pm
Here are my rankings of the BP noms:

1. Hugo: 9.5/10
2. The Artist: 9/10
3. The Descendants: 8/10
4. War Horse: 7/10
5. The Help: 7/10
6. Midnight in Paris: 6/10
7. Moneyball: 5/10
8. The Tree of Life: 5/10

As you can see, I did not like 6, 7, or 8 very much and think that they are very much overrated. The only two I thought were fantastic are Hugo and The Artist. If I were the Academy, I would have nominated The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, HP7.2, 50/50, Bridesmaids, and/or Super 8, but we all knew that wouldn't happen.

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

So, what would you rate The Help behind? The War Horse? No...Incredibly Bad and Extremely Manipulative? Clearly no. Tree of Life? Wildly WILDLY overrated. Moneyball...I'm a baseball fan and overall I enjoyed it, but there is no way it is an Oscar nominee in a 5 nominee system. The Descendents? I could listen to an argument, but frankly I think it is more of a movie that Oscar voters like to vote for than one with much real social relevance. Now...The Artist will probably win Best Picture which really has more to do with novelty value than with really being a particularly important movie. I liked it, but frankly, I think it's more hat than cowboy.



Posted By: MiguelAntilsu
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 8:28am
Here's where all the Best Picture nominees were ranked on my list of the Best Movies of 2011:

1. The Artist
3. Moneyball
4. Hugo
5. Midnight in Paris
6. The Descendants
10. The Tree of Life
26. War Horse
36. The Help
Disqualified. Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close

It's amazing how the Academy Awards almost never fail to piss me off when they announce their nominees.  Out of frustration, I have made this Oscar substitute:  http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/547127 - http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/547127

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 10:06am
Ever since the new Oscar Best Picture voting system, I've considered that the five titles nominated as Best Director are actually the 5 Best Pictures.  

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Moneyball...I'm a baseball fan and overall I enjoyed it, but there is no way it is an Oscar nominee in a 5 nominee system.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 25 2012 at 10:09am
But your nominations are almost the same. Or is that just a coincidence?  

Originally posted by MiguelAntilsu

It's amazing how the Academy Awards almost never fail to piss me off when they announce their nominees.  Out of frustration, I have made this Oscar substitute:  http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/547127 - http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/547127


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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 6:39am
OK, So Man on a Ledge and One for the Money are ago for being Worsts, while The Grey is actually doing pretty well. Can't say it's going to be uphilll for Neeson from there, however.
 
Now I want to draw attention to what's coming next.
 
Big Miracle: About a town in Alaska trying to save whales. At best, it could probably be like Dolphin Tale from last year. At worst, I can't say it would be unwatchable, but maybe just overdramatized. Two time Razzie nominee Drew Berrymore stars, and it is directed by Ken Kwapis, who's work is basically watchable at best.
 
Chronicle: A found footage movie about a group of kids who end up with super-powers, one of them abusing it greatly. It is written by three time Razzie nominee John Lanis's son.
 
W.E.: You guys pretty much know the drill by now, but is it still eligible?
 
Woman in Black: Daniel Radcliffe's attempt to be not just Harry Potter. I'm hoping that this will actually be frieghtening and not end up like Dream House did. Janet McTeer, new Oscar nominee, is also starring in this.
 
So, which is the most likely?


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 10:10am
Check out these reactions to the Oscar nominations:
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Originally posted by oiram

Now I want to draw attention to what's coming next.

So, which is the most likely?
W.E. already has an early discussion forum, although sometimes those don't become official forums. It's been getting award nominations but only in technical categories, so it can still be bad. But the choice should be CHRONICLE, because this will be the year of Found Footage Movies. Unlike TWILIGHT, the HARRY POTTER stars have proven to be good actors in the saga, so they deserve a chance.


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 2:41pm
I wouldn't be quite sure of that, but not because Chronicle is my first anticipated film of the year. It's been getting some great praise so far, and I'm very much looking forward to the film.

Originally posted by Vits

But the choice should be CHRONICLE, because this will be the year of Found Footage Movies. Unlike TWILIGHT, the HARRY POTTER stars have proven to be good actors in the saga, so they deserve a chance.


Posted By: jesse685
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 3:21pm

Yeah, currently it has 2 reviews (both Fresh).



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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 4:15pm
Now that all contenders for January have been decided, here are my predictions for the weekly Worst New Films for February:

February 3:
Madonna's W./E.: The approval rating has plunged since I last took note of it in November. It's down by more than half from 52 to 23 percent. I question whether it deserves to win Worst Picture, to avoid rehashing 2002, the year for which Swept Away was named the #1 Worst Film.
 
Fbr. 10:
Journey 2: The Mysterious Island: The director also made Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore, one of the Bottom 40 Films of 2010. jesse685 jumped the gun and started a forum early, but I hope if it gets negative reviews, HeadRAZZ will add an official forum for it, with his take, links, and all. UPDATE: As of Jnr. 26, it's already losing 2-3 at Rotten T.
 
Fbr. 13-17:
This Means War: They just pulled the release date forward from Fbr. 17 to Valentine's Day. Reese Witherspoon is caught between two CIA spies in a love triangle... and it's from the director of Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (Bottom 40 Films of 2003).
 
ExclamationGhost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance: Nicolas Cage's first scheduled film for 2012, he was nominated for its predecessor in the Worst of 2007 RAZZIES. Ghost Rider 1 also was one of the Bottom 40 Films of 2007.
 
Fbr. 24:
Ying YangGone: I could be wrong about this one, but it stars Amanda Seyfried, and she went from mediocre (Letters to Juliet in May 2010) to terrible (Red Riding Hood in March 2011) recently. It may not be one of ours since the director's based in Brazil and has no history with the RAZZIES.
 
Ying YangWanderlust: I'm not purely sure about this one either, but it stars Jennifer Aniston and Paul Rudd, which sounds like a bad combination. However, the director has never caught our attention before (Heck, even Role Models was a LOT better than Repo!: The Genetic Opera!)


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 4:34pm
This Means War looks horrible. I hope that Chelsea Handler makes it onto the Razzie Ballot next year.

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Posted By: jesse685
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 4:47pm
I just want you guys to know I'm currently eyeing The Vow as a future contender this year.

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Posted By: MR
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 5:46pm
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close has only a 47% rating on Rotten Tomatoes but managed to get an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. Strange......


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by jesse685

Yeah, currently it has 2 reviews (both Fresh).

Two reviews is always a definitive indication...particularly when they could very well be from bought and paid for reviewers....I'm not sure how many more times we are going to have to discuss that.


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 9:13pm
Well, MWG didn't care much for The Help and Miguel dropped it to 36 on his list. Now I know I am justified in praising it as one of the best films of the past few years.LOL

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 10:26pm
Yet there are hundreds of reviews from critics that don't think the film is that great, earning a 62 on Metacritic although a 76% on RT.

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Well, MWG didn't care much for The Help and Miguel dropped it to 36 on his list. Now I know I am justified in praising it as one of the best films of the past few years.LOL


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 26 2012 at 10:44pm
The total number of recorded reviews at RT was 196, with 149 being "fresh" and 47 being "rotten." The metacritic rating, which was based on 40 reviews had 23 positive, 15 mixed and 2 negative. I'm not sure where MWG learned his elementary math, but 49 negative reviews or even 64 charitably, is not "hundreds."  But even this is biasing the argument in MWG's favor given that the two sets of critics for meta and rt are not mutually exclusive.  

Originally posted by moviewizguy

Yet there are hundreds of reviews from critics that don't think the film is that great, earning a 62 on Metacritic although a 76% on RT.


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 8:00am
It's not as black and white as you make the situation to be. "Fresh" reviews on RT can range from "2.5/4" to a "4/4" and any in between. A critic may have given The Help a fresh review, but his/her overall rating would be on the low side of the scale. When you're saying The Help is one of the best films in the last 4 or 5 years and it should win Best Picture, it suggests that you might have given it a perfect rating. However, even the average on Metacritic is a 62, which is quite low compared to the other Oscar contenders. Even Harry Potter 7.2 is one of the best reviewed films of the year*, scoring a high 87 on Metacritic and a 96% on RT, yet that wasn't nominated. Still, I understand you loved the film, and you're entitled to your opinion.

*RT awarded the film the title -  http://www.rottentomatoes.com/guides/golden_tomatoes_awards_2011/wide/ - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/guides/golden_tomatoes_awards_2011/wide/
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

The total number of recorded reviews at RT was 196, with 149 being "fresh" and 47 being "rotten." The metacritic rating, which was based on 40 reviews had 23 positive, 15 mixed and 2 negative. I'm not sure where MWG learned his elementary math, but 49 negative reviews or even 64 charitably, is not "hundreds."  But even this is biasing the argument in MWG's favor given that the two sets of critics for meta and rt are not mutually exclusive.


Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 8:42am
MWG, your talent for "straw-man arguments" is truly impressive! 

First of all,  yes, it is my opinion that The Help is one of the better movies of the past few years. In reality, that isn't saying all that much. The competition isn't that great. 

Second, critics do not have uniform standards for the evaluation of movies. When you go to watch a movie like Harry Potter (a series of films I am personally not particularly impressed with), the primary standard of evaluation is, did it entertain me? When you go to watch a film like The Help, you are more apt to ask, what did this film say to me? I probably watched The Help from a considerably different perspective than you did because I was alive during that era and I remember that America. That doesn't necessarily mean I even give it all that high of a rating, I'm just not wildly impressed with most of the other movies that were nominated. 

And you still haven't substantiated your own baloney claim that it received "hundreds" of negative reviews.  

Originally posted by moviewizguy

It's not as black and white as you make the situation to be. "Fresh" reviews on RT can range from "2.5/4" to a "4/4" and any in between. A critic may have given The Help a fresh review, but his/her overall rating would be on the low side of the scale. When you're saying The Help is one of the best films in the last 4 or 5 years and it should win Best Picture, it suggests that you might have given it a perfect rating. However, even the average on Metacritic is a 62, which is quite low compared to the other Oscar contenders. Even Harry Potter 7.2 is one of the best reviewed films of the year*, scoring a high 87 on Metacritic and a 96% on RT, yet that wasn't nominated. Still, I understand you loved the film, and you're entitled to your opinion.


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 9:36am
I hardly think fans of HP would evaluate the film in terms of just entertainment value. We're already 8 films in, and it's obvious people who stuck out this long in the series are affected by the film emotionally rather than just mindless popcorn entertainment. To me and to a lot of fans, it's an end of an era, of a legacy. But you are correct that people evaluate different films on different standards. Also, there's a difference between critics not thinking The Help is "all that great" and "negative" reviews. When I said many critics didn't think it was "all that great," I suggested that many critics liked it, but didn't love it. After all, films that are just merely liked and films that are loved are two different levels of quality.


RESPONSE from Head RAZZBerry: What the heck, I'll go ahead and weigh in here, too -- I thought certain elements of THE HELP were excellent (especially Viola Davis, specifically in the scene where she talks about the death of her son). But overall, I found it borderline offensive, another example of a sub-genre I call "Aren't White Folks Just Wonderful" (other titles in this group include THE BLINDSIDE and GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER). The message of these films implies that the Civil Rights movement of the late 50s/early 60s could not have occurred had Caucasians not decided to help out. The very notion is idiotic and pejorative. 

Bottom line: I applaud Davis being a Best Actress nominee, concur that HELP did not deserve to be a Best Adapted Screenplay nominee, and think that the film being up for Best Picture is a tacit admission that mainstream Hollywood produced berry little of true quality in 2011... 




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