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Topic: Forum Discussion: DARK KNIGHT RISES
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Forum Discussion: DARK KNIGHT RISES
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 8:22am
HERE's WHERE to EXPOUND at LENGTH ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKED, LOATHED (or INTENTIONALLY AVOIDED) the LATEST LIKELY BLOCKBUSTER from CHRISTOPHER NOLAN, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.

IF YOU HAVEN'T YET VOTED in OUR FORUM POLL, HERE's the http://www.razzies.com/forum/the-dark-knight-rises_topic5913.html - to DO SO...

AND IF YOU'RE NOT YET a VOTING RAZZIE® MEMBER and WANT to BE, HERE's THAT http://razzies.com/join.asp - ...

NOW THAT WASN'T SO BERRY BAT...WAS IT?!? 


BONUS LINK: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-dark-knight-20120719,0,7473412.story - to READ the L.A. TIMES' ADVANCE REVIEW of RISES, an UNMITIGATED RAVE from the USUALLY SNOBBISH KENNETH TURAN... 

ADDITIONAL BONUS LINK: THE THURSDAY MIDNIGHT SHOWINGS of RISES (AT ONE of WHICH the NOW INFAMOUS COLORADO SHOOTING INCIDENT OCCURRED) TOOK in a BAT-TASTIC TOTAL of $30 MILLION - http://news.yahoo.com/dark-knight-rises-midnight-box-office-hits-30-174132124--finance.html - ...





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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 8:29am
Aw crud. There goes the "Making a forum for Step Up Revolution now" idea.
 
Anyways, I have full confidence in this movie from what I hear about. Some people complained about Anne Hathaway being cast as Catwoman, but I have not heard any ill-will toward her actual performance. I think it may beat Avengers critically, but not financially. Sorry, I just don't see it happening.
 
HeadRazz, what are YOUR thoughts on this series? I think I once saw somewhere that you are not really the biggest fan of comic book films, but might this be an exception?   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Not to worry on your early Forum for STEP UP 4 idea -- I am awaiting response from our Tech Maven on a graphic to go with the discussion, and will likely have it set up by mid-week (although it won't be promoted on our Main Page until July 27)...

As for my not being "the biggest fan of comic book movies," you did get that  right. I am, however (since first seeing MEMENTO about a decade ago) a HUGE fan of Christopher Nolan, who is among the few current movie-makers in Hollywood who actually demands that his audiences bring their brains with them to the multi-plex. I am also a big fan of INCEPTION. I will admit that I found BATMAN BEGINS a tad flat, and the previous DARK KNIGHT had so dark a world view as to be depressing. But there's still a Berry Good Chance I will at least enjoy DARK KNIGHT RISES on some level...  




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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 2:02pm
How funny that people are already voting.

What if the movie turns out to be... you know... bad? It's unlikely, but not impossible. Remember other sagas where the first 2 were so good and the 3rd one dissapointed? Like THE MATRIX, TERMINATOR, SUPER-MAN, ALIEN, X-MENSPIDER-MAN, and of course, the other BATMAN saga.

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 2:09pm
You mentioned The Matrix Vits. That's not a good comparison because only the first one was good.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 3:30pm
While I hated RELOADED as much as REVOLUTIONS, I talked on behalf of the world using the concensus (I haven't even seen some of the ones I mentioned). RELOADED's reviews were close to the first one.

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 3:56pm
The movie's fans at RottenTomatoes have been acting atrocious today. I understand that they think it'll be great, but their behavior is f*cking immature. The RT staff ought to start using the BatHammer on the truly bad trolls...  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Speaking of R.T. here's a http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/ -






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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 6:38pm
I agree about the fans at RT -- 3 rotten reviews so far, and they each got over 100 responses, most of them negative. One of those critics is Christy Lemire, considered the MILF of web film review programs.  

Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

The movie's fans at RottenTomatoes have been acting atrocious today. I understand that they think it'll be great, but their behavior is f*cking immature. The RT staff ought to start using the BatHammer on the truly bad trolls...



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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 7:02pm
Here's my prediction:

It'll be better than Batman Begins (Top 40 Films of 2005, 11th), but is unlikely to match up to The Dark Knight (Top 40 Films of 2008, #1). With a solid 4 days to go until release, the reviews seem to be superb, but all negative reviews are getting rebuffed, which might indicate it'll be a little closer to perfect than the reviews say. Other than Following (1998), all of Christopher Nolan's films have been on my Top 40 Lists, and I'm sure The Dark Knight Rises will be no different. For now, I'm predicting it'll be in my Top 10, but not #1.


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Posted By: Film Reel Redemption
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 10:48pm
A lot of people predict that this movie will do an 'LOTR: The Return of the King' and sweep the Oscars as part of a reward for all three movies. However, with various other competition on the horizon, I don't think it's gonna happen...
 
Also I've pre-booked to see this movie in IMAX.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry:  In the case of the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy, both previous films had been Best Picture nominees before the third and final entry was also nominated, so awarding RETURN OF THE KING Best Picture made sense -- clearly, Academy voters had admired the franchise all along. But the two previous Nolan/BATMAN movies have received little or no Academy attention (as well as little or none from us) so it is highly unlikely that DARK KNIGHT RISES will suddenly pop up as a "surprise darling" in either the Oscars or the RAZZIES®...  

   




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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 11:42pm
I don't get the hatred toward the Matrix sequels. RELOADED is arguably better than the first, but REVOLUTIONS was a letdown, I admit. In fact, I think the first film is quite over-rated. In the third act, all the ideas are pushed aside to go with action sequence after action sequence -- It really brings down the film to being just your typical action flick.

Originally posted by Vits

While I hated RELOADED as much as REVOLUTIONS, I talked on behalf of the world using the concensus (I haven't even seen some of the ones I mentioned). RELOADED's reviews were close to the first one.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 17 2012 at 10:37am
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight_rises/news/1925558/the_dark_knight_rises_--_this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/ -


Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 17 2012 at 1:16pm
Regarding Batman, Nolan's films are the only Batman films I've ever liked. I do not like any of the original Batman films.


Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: July 17 2012 at 1:17pm
Wow, just WoW. This is the reason why I prefer to post on a site with a moderator, even if I get modded from time to time. I myself have gotten into ridiculous arguements with people on Youtube, and when the boxofficemojo forum closed, I didn't follow to IMDb. So many nutcases there who are out to spoil the fun for others, just because they can and don't have to take responsibility for their actions.


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 17 2012 at 2:32pm
I just bought my ticket for the midnight showing of this.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 18 2012 at 10:47am
It turns out it's in between the first two quality-wise.

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 19 2012 at 11:19am
It turns out that the theater that I'm seeing this at tonight is completely sold out. Good thing I bought mine in advance.

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:28am
I've returned from seeing this. I'll post a review tomorrow. Before I end this, here's something that'll set the tone for the review: The Avengers looks like Battleship compared to this!

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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 2:45am
Oh sh*t -- some terrible news regarding the Dark Knight Rises midnight showing: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html - LINK ...   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: This may sound like a Bleeding Heart Hollywood Liberal's reaction, but I blame the NRA's campaign against renewing the assault weapons ban for enabling the shooter to get his hands on the gun with which this heinous act was committed. As this tragic incident should make clear, semi-automatic weapons have no place in the hands of anyone but the military and law enforcement...  





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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 8:12am
What about your review of MAN ON A LEDGE?

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Posted By: JoBloMovieGoer
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 9:23am
I hate to sound crass or mercenary in the shadow of such a tragic event as what just happened in Colorado, but I can't help wondering: What impact (if any) will this have on the opening weekend grosses for Dark Knight Rises? I'm sure it's not just the studio execs at Warner Bros who are curious about this...  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: While it is inappropriately "too soon" to be bringing up such things, I'm sure you are not the only one wondering about it. And I would guess that within 24-48 hours, the media will be conjecturing on exactly what you've asked: If RISES doesn't rise to the level of grosses its pre-release hype suggested, it will likely be blamed on this tragedy. If, however, it exceeds expectations, the issue of this incident's impact becomes more problematical -- I seriously doubt you'd ever hear Warner Bros admit they "profited" from such mayhem... 




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Posted By: BlackRose
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 9:29am
Like ol' Head RAZZberry, I'm about to sound like a typical knee-jerk liberal, but...  

I can't help thinking that the depressingly dark "worldview" expressed in the Nolan BATMAN films may have something to do with why the shooter in Colorado chose to carry out his hideous plans at a showing of this particular movie. Film have a powerful influence on audiences (especially weak-minded, impressionable and imbalanced movie-goers) and thus have a certain unspoken responsibility. I know I'm gonna get a rasher of sh*t for saying this but...I think a case can be made that movies like DARK KNIGHT share some of the blame for the hopelessness so many young people feel today.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Not sure if I agree with you entirely, but I must admit that when I saw the previous DARK KNIGHT, I was taken aback by how utterly bleak and hopeless the film's vision of the world was...and wondered what effect such a worldview might have on someone already prone to emulating characters like The Joker or Bane... 




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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 9:45am
I can't believe it's been ten years since I watched "Bowling for Columbine". Nothing seems to have changed.
I too think the deed wasn't attached to Dark Knight coincidentally. Surely the premiere gave him the audience he wanted. That's what they do it for. The world is looking at him now.   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: I think a case can be made that the shooter here and the man who essentially assassinated John Lennon two decades ago share the same fame-seeking mindset. When Lennon was slain, I made a valiant effort not to learn the name of the man who had shot him, which I thought of as my way of "not rewarding" the sick son of a bitch. I am proud to say that I managed to go a whole 10 days without ever letting myself read or hear the name of the killer...but after making such a Herculean effort, I came across his name in an article I was reading in (of all places) Variety. When I finally saw the name after all that time, it was (as the cliche' goes) "seared into my brain." In deference to my preference not to clutter my mind with the names of people like this, I shall not give out the name of Lennon's slayer here. And with today's shooter, I will (at the berry least) make no effort to remember the name of this perpetrator either... 




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Posted By: mbh
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 10:10am
I won't mention his name either then, but the Lennon shooting was a little bit different in one regard: Years later, the shooter gave an interview in which he stated his driving thought after turning from Lennon's biggest fan into his biggest hater, was "it was him or me." After studying Lennon's life, this guy's sick mind saw Lennon as a rival, so the attention was secondary. 

But in the end, no one will know -- and I agree it's better not to credit them. 

Sadly enough, the media has already started the money-guessing about the film's grosses. Deadline already has a voting poll up, asking how much money the movie will make now. 

Guess there's no respect left nowadays.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: In a sane world, it would be fair to assume that such an incident would dissuade movie-goers from rushing out to see RISES -- if for no other reason than fear of "copycat incidents." But the world has spun so far from any semblance of sanity today that the eventual impact (if any) of today's events is anybody's guess... 




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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 10:37am
I don't understand. When THE JOKER did his "experiment" with the 2 ferries, nobody died, so he was wrong (and BATMAN told him). Yes, the ending is sad because BATMAN takes the blame, but that was more about having a cliffhanger than making a statement.

Originally posted by BlackRose

Like ol' Head RAZZberry, I'm about to sound like a typical knee-jerk liberal, 

but...  

I can't help thinking that the depressingly dark "worldview" expressed in the Nolan BATMAN films may have something to do with why the shooter in Colorado chose to carry out his hideous plans at a showing of this particular movie. Film have a powerful influence on audiences (especially weak-minded, impressionable and imbalanced movie-goers) and thus have a certain unspoken responsibility. I know I'm gonna get a rasher of sh*t for saying this but...I think a case can be made that movies like DARK KNIGHT share some of the blame for the hopelessness so many young people feel today.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Not sure if I agree with you entirely, but I must admit that when I saw the previous DARK KNIGHT, I was taken aback by how utterly bleak and hopeless the film's vision of the world was...and wondered what effect such a worldview might have on someone already prone to emulating characters like The Joker or Bane...
 




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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 11:27am
Man... Times like these make me want to never leave my house. All I can really do is hope that people can recover and improve from this vile event.

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Posted By: MR
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:32pm
I agree, I believe in gun-control, too.  

This is such a tragedy...

I remember when John Lennon was killed, too. What a world we live in!   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: This may sound like a Bleeding Heart Hollywood Liberal's reaction, but I blame the NRA's campaign against renewing the assault weapons ban for enabling the shooter to get his hands on the gun with which this heinous act was committed. As this tragic incident should make clear, semi-automatic weapons have no place in the hands of anyone but the military and law enforcement...
 


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 6:51pm
Because of the tragedy in Colorado, I'm postponing my review for a couple days.

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Posted By: Grounder the Critic
Date Posted: July 20 2012 at 7:00pm
Yeah, I'll save my money for The Dark Knight Rises for another day due to the frightening events in Colorado.

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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 21 2012 at 12:21pm
One point made in Bowling For Columbine was that Canada had looser gun laws, yet still had lower death rates than the US. I need to rewatch the documentary again, but Moore made the point that the media's use of fear was what separated the US from other countries. Coincidentally, the most recent episode of Sorkin's The Newsroom was about gun control, and was set on the day of the 2011 Tucson shooting.

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Posted By: JoeBacon
Date Posted: July 22 2012 at 8:23pm
The cast speaks out here. 

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-dark-knight-cast-reacts-colorado-shooting,0,5975411.story - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-dark-knight-cast-reacts-colorado-shooting,0,5975411.story

My heart just goes out to all the innocent victims. It's been a real rough week for this native Pennsylvanian with this on top of the Paterno report. I have to fly up to Oakland on Monday, where they are expecting massive Occupy protests against the President. So I've naturally got the jitters...


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: July 24 2012 at 6:38pm
I'm stepping in for a moment, breaking my self imposed, temporary silence to offer a huge thumbs up. We spend a great deal of time discussing the professional and personal failings of celebrities here. It is only fitting that the other side of the coin be recognized now and then. 

Christian Bale was here in Denver today visiting some of the victims of Friday morning's shootings in area hospitals. 

Thumbs Up Mr Bale!  


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 24 2012 at 8:46pm
Time for a positive review for a change. Unlike my regular reviews this one will be a lot different. Instead of the regular "good, bad, ugly" approach, I'm doing kinda bad, good, and really, really good. Also, there'll be a couple of spoilers here. For the second part of this review that goes up tomorrow, it'll be all spoilers and will follow the same format as this review. Before I begin, I'll say this: not being as good as The Dark Knight isn't a bad thing! A lot of good movies aren't as good as The Dark Knight. If something that you especially liked/disliked isn't in this review, it's probably in the spoiler one.
 
One thing that bothered me was how over-complicated the plan of Bane and Talia was for something with a simple goal (ruining Batman psychologically). It's kind of handwaved (he REALLY wants Batman ruined) but it still felt like an excuse for f*cking epic action scenes. Alfred leaving Batman is a massive out-of character moment. He'd never do anything like this. Marion Cotillard's acting is a bit on the meh side until the twist. Juno Temple's character is problematic. Not because of her, but because it's shameless nerd-baiting that Nolan's usually above. Her character is called Jen, but she's obviously supposed to be Holly Robinson. She's Catwoman's sidekick in the comics. On the plus side, she's a lesbian in the comics which makes her constant hugs with Catwoman 100 times more awesome. In a nitpicky complaint, there's a scene after Batman is done laying Miranda down by the fire where he's in full Batman costume on top of the bridge. The thing that confuses me is that after that scene, he's in underground with Catwoman. Is their any real reason that scene had to exist?
 
Matthew Modine is great as a glory hound cop who turns into coward after Bane takes over and eventually a courageous cop struck down by Talia. He's down in the merely good section because his character is kind of pointless and could have easily been removed. I, also, liked that Daggett from Batman (TAS) was in here, even if he's called John instead of Roland.
 
Christopher Nolan's still got it. Of course, I don't think any of you need a reminder of this. Tom Hardy's performance is great and Bane is threatening. Christian Bale is still an awesome Batman. Gary Oldman is great as Jim Gordon. He has a lot of cool scenes like when he escapes from Bane's lair and when he picks off two of Bane's henchmen in the hospital. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is great as Robin John Blake, but I can't get into too much of his role without spoiling it. The best actor is, surprisingly, Anne Hathaway. I was not expecting her to be this good. Instead of just retreading Michelle Pfeiffer's performance in Batman Returns, she makes the role all hers. There's a lot of great individual scenes. The first scene where Bane kidnaps a scientist and fakes his death. Was insanely awesome. When I saw this for the third time, two "bro" types sitting ahead of me did a fist-bump after this scene. Bane's assault on the Gotham stock exchange is awesome, but the best non-spoilery scene happens after it: Batman's return. Batman just rides in, beats up the bad guys, and escapes in "the bat". I especially liked the homage to The Dark Knight Returns with the old cop.
 
A quick warning. If you haven't seen the movie yet, then I'd avoid the second part of the review/


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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: July 24 2012 at 11:14pm
Here's my review, which share some similarities with Shumacher8ter's review:

To this day, the only Batman films I've ever enjoyed are the ones made by Christopher Nolan. In fact, the original quadrilogy bores me. What makes Nolan's films so special is that he is able to expand the concept of what a superhero film can be without making it seem unbelievable. Whether or not you like Nolan's Batman films, they have already become sources of huge inspiration for many filmmakers. BATMAN BEGINS is fantastic and THE DARK KNIGHT is even better. Therefore, the main question people will ask during this film is "How can this top TDK?," and the answer is obvious: It can't. I don't even think that it's better than BATMAN BEGINS, but that doesn't make TDKR bad. No doubt, TDKR is a fantastic end to a lovely trilogy that will be cherished by many people in the coming future, but it isn't without its faults.


As with most sequels, TDKR tries to top its last two predecessors. For Hollywood, this usually means making everything bigger and grander, and this applies to Nolan. Yes, everything is much more epic in TDKR, from the bombastic score by Hans Zimmer to the even darker tone to the new collection of characters and to the many story lines that come from them. This brings several problems to the film: It makes TDKR unnecessarily convoluted, and there's a lack of narrative cohesion. It would be better had the film dropped some subplots. In particular, there is a romance between Bruce Wayne and Miranda Tate that really comes out of nowhere with no development leading up to it at all. Tate could have been a friend of Wayne, and the story would still work. The first half is also pretty choppy and a bit uninteresting as it essentially sets everything up.

It isn't until the second half that TDKR really shines. The story slowly starts to pick up momentum, and everything starts to work like clockwork, all leading up to a stunning climax. Despite a questionable plot twist, the third act is noticeably more exciting than the ones from BATMAN BEGINS and TDK. Likewise, the last 10 minutes is one of the most emotionally satisfying conclusions ever put on film. It shook me, and had there been no audience members in the theater with me, I would have bawled like a baby. On top of that, Nolan seems to have a firmer grip on the action scenes, which are shot and cut more skillfully than his previous attempts.

Christian Bale has already owned the role as Batman, as with Gary Oldman as the lovable Commissioner Gordon, but let's talk about Michael Caine. He is such a great actor, and the few key scenes he appears in TDKR remain to be some of the highlights of the film. Additionally, there are many new actors aboard the film, including Tom Hardy as Bane. Hardy looks unrecognizable and he pulls off a menacing performance, although some of his dialogue is unfortunately lost through his mask. It's clear, though, that the late Heath Ledger as The Joker was a much better villain, elevating TDK to a considerable level. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is great as a young cop, but it's Anne Hathaway who manages to surprise, playing Catwoman. She is appropriately cunning and sexy at the same time, and there is little camp in her performance which is a plus.

As you can see, TDKR has a lot of flaws. At times, the film can be a little too bleak, murky, and slow. However, all these flaws add up to very little when compared to the film as a whole. It's a summer film that probes the mind. To say the film isn't perfect is obvious, but TDKR is a masterful, harrowing, and epic conclusion to the Dark Knight trilogy, filled with symbolism, themes, and allegory. Because of that, I loved the film, flaws and all. I urge everyone to go out and see this, as it is easily one of the best films of the year. 9.5/10


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 25 2012 at 7:57am
I knew I forgot something! Yes, Zimmer's score was epic. I'll put a reference into the second part of my review tonight...    

Originally posted by moviewizguy

 Yes, everything is much more epic in TDKR, from the bombastic score by Hans Zimmer 


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: July 25 2012 at 6:51pm
Now to finish my Dark Knight Rises review. Two things before I start. First, Hans Zimmer's music is freaking epic! Second, if you haven't seen The Dark Knight Rises, you probably shouldn't read this. It'll be composed the same way as yesterday's.
 
Bane's death is one of the most anticlimatic moments of the year. Catwoman just blows him up. We don't get any information about him afterwards. He acts out of character just before this. He wants Batman to suffer and letting him be blown up with the people he wants to protect would be the ultimate torture. But, instead, he decides to just shoot him. Talia's death is kinda anticlimatic, but at least she gets to screw over Batman's plan for saving Gotham.
 
Scarecrowe's return was a nice touch. He's the judge for Bane's court of public opinions. The reveal of Harvey Dent's betrayel was well done. It turns Blake against Gordon which is reasonable and believable. If this seems like I'm padding this paragraph, that's because most of the good stuff, is really good!
 
Talia's reveal was great. The best part is that when re-watching it, there's nothing that contradicts it! Seriously, everything she does is about getting his trust so she can betray him. I believe that if she could get Batman to go away with her before Bane's plot goes down, she and Bane would just cripple him like they do and just blow up the city. There's a lot of great scenes in the movie. The last battle between the cops and Bane's men is f*cking awesome! Especially when Batman and Bane start their fight. The scene where Bane blows up the bridges is just... brilliant. The imagery, the music, the everything! The end is great and impossibly sad. Especially, Alfred seeing Bruce and Selina in Florence. Robin finding the BatCave is great too. I know that Nolan doesn't anything else to do with the franchise, but if he directed a Robin spin-off with Joseph Gordon-Levitt I wouldn't be opposed. The best scene of all is the re-enactment of the end of the first part of Knightfall. To those that haven't read that, Bane cripples Batman. The fight before hand is awesome! The fight itself, the dialogue (especially the Dark Knight Returns reference, "you fight like a younger man"), Bane stealing from R&D, etc.
 
This is the most fun I've had at a movie since, in all seriousness, The Dark Knight. Grade: A+


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: August 03 2012 at 2:20pm
I went to see this today, 1. because I knew my wife wouldn't want to go with me and 2. It was sort of a personal catharsis. 

I found it to be a bit of a mixed bag. It was a bit slow early on (as has been noted elsewhere) and there was a rather glaring plot problem by my thinking. But the ending was satisfying, to the point that I didn't walk out of the theater with the same bleak feeling I had leaving the second installment in the series (which was still a decidedly superior movie).


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 03 2012 at 4:04pm
What was the plot problem? Please, write it in white (I wanna read it after I see it).

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: August 03 2012 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by Vits

What was the plot problem? Please, write it in white (I wanna read it after I see it).
To be honest, I was being a little generous. I actually had 3 rather significant problems with the plot of this film. As requested, I'll list them out below in white:
 
1. In contrast to the first two films in the series, I didn't thnk Bain was a very well defined character. His ultimate plan was to blow up Gotham City, but he didn't seem to have much problem with going down with the ship, so to speak. He was hanging around fully prepared to get blown up himself. This would have made some sense if he was clearly working on belalf of some larger purpose, but if he was, we weren't really made aware of it.
 
2. I'm a little tired of stereotypical movie villians that have no problem mustering the genuis to concoct elaborate plans, but don't seem to catch on to the concept of simply blowing the heros brains out when they get the clear opportunity. Bain wanted Bruce Wayne see Gotham destroyed, then he wanted Wayne to die himself. But since Bain was hanging around in Gotham himself, it wasn't like he was going to be around to do it.
 
3. Bain captures Batman/Bruce, then shanghais him off to a prison on the other side of the planet rather than just taking care of business as noted in point 2. Naturally Bruce escapes, but realistically, then what? Wayne has no money, no credit cards, no checkbook, no passport. Even if he can convince someone that he was, or at least used  to be a billionaire, it would take him a couple weeks to get home under remarkably favorable circumstances. By then about all he would have been able to do was poke around the smoldering ashes of Gotham City in search of what was left of Alfred's teeth.
 


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 05 2012 at 2:21pm
I went to the movies and used special free tickets to see this. I regret it, because it deserves the money. Meanwhile, STEFAN VS KRAMER broke opening day box office records. Anyway, I thought it was just OK. To answer the poll, I chose "Maybe".

Now, I'll have to wait for the Schumacher movies to air on TV. I know, I know, I should avoid them like a plague.
Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Bane's death is one of the most anticlimatic moments of the year. Catwoman just blows him up. We don't get any information about him afterwards. He acts out of character just before this. He wants Batman to suffer and letting him be blown up with the people he wants to protect would be the ultimate torture. But, instead, he decides to just shoot him. Talia's death is kinda anticlimatic, but at least she gets to screw over Batman's plan for saving Gotham.
I don't even think that he actually died. It wasn't very clear, and he did seem strong enough to survive a blast like that.
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

1. In contrast to the first two films in the series, I didn't thnk Bain was a very well defined character. His ultimate plan was to blow up Gotham City, but he didn't seem to have much problem with going down with the ship, so to speak. He was hanging around fully prepared to get blown up himself. This would have made some sense if he was clearly working on belalf of some larger purpose, but if he was, we weren't really made aware of it.
 
2. I'm a little tired of stereotypical movie villians that have no problem mustering the genuis to concoct elaborate plans, but don't seem to catch on to the concept of simply blowing the heros brains out when they get the clear opportunity. Bain wanted Bruce Wayne see Gotham destroyed, then he wanted Wayne to die himself. But since Bain was hanging around in Gotham himself, it wasn't like he was going to be around to do it.
 
3. Bain captures Batman/Bruce, then shanghais him off to a prison on the other side of the planet rather than just taking care of business as noted in point 2. Naturally Bruce escapes, but realistically, then what? Wayne has no money, no credit cards, no checkbook, no passport. Even if he can convince someone that he was, or at least used  to be a billionaire, it would take him a couple weeks to get home under remarkably favorable circumstances. By then about all he would have been able to do was poke around the smoldering ashes of Gotham City in search of what was left of Alfred's teeth.
1) I completely agree.
2) BANE was an extreme version of an anarchist. He didn't care if he died, as long as he destroyed an entire society. He also wanted to destroy BATMAN personally because he was his enemy, and he knew that making him watch the destruction of Gotham City was more painful than death.
3) Most forums have been debating over how BRUCE returned. The main theory is that he has foreign connections with powerful people (assuming that he was on another country, because the location is never given).


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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: August 05 2012 at 6:20pm
It was very strongly suggested that the prison was in fact overseas. In fact, it would be impossible to make a strong argument that it wasn't. The city Bruce sees upon his escape is clearly a Middle Eastern location. As to Bruce being able to use connections, it is still unlikely he could have made it back in time to prevent disaster. I will avoid typing in white at this point because I really don't think there are a lot of people who intend to see this movie that haven't at this point.
 
As to my objection in point 2, even Mike Myers did a send up of the evil genius failing to dispose of the bad guy in a quick and simple fashion. By now, every evil genius out there must have seen a movie once. It is 2012! If you let the good guy live, it always comes back and bites you in the ass LOL


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 26 2012 at 5:05pm
Since school starts back tomorrow, I saw this a fourth time since it was the second most fun time I had this summer. The most fun I had was when my brother visited.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 02 2013 at 2:08pm
My review of the BATMAN franchise, which includes this installment (skip to 02:07):

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Any thoughts?


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