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Member DISCUSSION of EXTENDABLES, TOO

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Forum Name: EXPENDABLES, TOO!
Forum Discription: Sly & Duh Expen-DUMB-bles R Back wid New Recruits...Should We Nominate 'Em?!?!?
URL: http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5938
Printed Date: November 29 2014 at 12:53am


Topic: Member DISCUSSION of EXTENDABLES, TOO
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Member DISCUSSION of EXTENDABLES, TOO
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 9:39am
OKAY, WE KNOW -- a WHOLE LOTTA 'FAN BOYS' AROUND the WORLD BOUGHT into SLY's CLAIM THAT the OVER-the-TOP, RIDICULOUSLY CAMPY DIALOGUE and VIOLENT ACTION SEQUENCES in the ORIGINAL EXPENDABLES WERE DONE "ON PURPOSE," and THAT SLY and HIS FELLOW AGING WAR-MONGERS MADE the FILM as a PARODY. KNOWING SLY as WELL as WE THINK WE DO, WE'RE ALL-BUT-CERTAIN THAT WAS JUST a CLEVER "AFTER MARKET" MOVE to SELL an OTHERWISE CLUNKY, DIM-WITTED PAINT-by-NUMBERS ACTION FLICK. 

BUT AS a MARKETING PLOY, CLAIMING IT WAS FUNNY on PURPOSE DID WORK -- EXPENDABLES #1 WAS a WORLDWIDE BOX OFFICE HIT ( http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=expendables.htm - ). IT WAS ALSO, LEST WE FORGET, a RAZZIE® NOMINEE for WORST DIRECTOR ( http://razzies.com/history/2010-worst-director.asp - )...

SO NOW WE HAVE the INEVITABLE EXPENDABLES #2. THIS TIME, WHEN IT's FUNNY, IT IS on PURPOSE. BUT THIS CAST of CAST-OFF 80s ACTION STARS (and RE-CYCLED 1980s RAZZIE® REPEAT OFFENDERS) CAN'T DO FUNNY IF THEIR CAREERS DEPENDED ON IT. 

WE ARE, OF COURSE, OPEN to DIVERGENT POINTS of VIEW. 

BUT IF YOU RILLY LOVE THIS KINDA CRAP...WHAT on EARTH ARE YOU DOING HANGING AROUND THIS WEBSITE?? 

TO CHECK OUT the FOTO FUNNY on THIS FILM, http://www.razzies.com/forum/foto-funny-for-expendables-2_topic5937.html - ... 

FOR MORE INFO on the FILM (REVIEWS, OFFICIAL SITE, GROSSES and CETERA, http://www.razzies.com/forum/expendables-too_forum640.html - ...  

TO EXPRESS YER THAWTS on EXPENDABLES, TOO...JUST HIT the "POST REPLY" BUTTON BELOW and to the LEFT... 




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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 9:54am
Ah, silly Sly and friends. Don't they know that men moved on from violence to *this?:
 
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In all seriousness though, when the first Expendables came out, I wasn't really excited to have it as a Razzie contender, mainly because I thought there were way worse choices at the time (*cough*Furry Vengeance*cough*). 

This time, however, I'm for it because it just does not look like an improvement over the first one. My only gripe is that I feel a little bad about considering Sly for Worst Actor since his son died this year --but I'll try to not think about that.  
 
*I'm actually not joking about that. Look here in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_fandom - Official Wikipedia Page to see for yourselves.


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Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.

Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 10:11am
The first one had the novelty of uniting about a dozen 80s action stars -- but that's over now. The only really good thing the first one had was the hand-to-hand combat*. Can they improve it? I don't really see how. 

I predict this will be nominated for several Razzies, including Worst Screen Ensemble.


Originally posted by oiram

My only gripe is that I feel a little bad about considering Sly for Worst Actor since his son died this year --but I'll try to not think about that.
 

I think that should only apply to the deceased. As in Sly's son shouldn't be nominated (even if he could be). But Sly himself? I say, go for it!   

* The concensus was that the explosions in the first film looked lame.


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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 12:52pm
We're a bit short on RAZZIE contenders this year, our crop isn't as juicy as the preceding half decade or so. That's why I say this should be considered (and maybe even nominated) if it gets less than a 55% approval rating at Rotten T (or below 55% at Metascore). It's exactly the same deal as with 2000 and 2002, when many RAZZIE contenders had average (rather than negative) reviews. 
 
I remember The Expendables 1. It was #40 on the Bottom 40 Films of 2010. Simply bad, but could've been a lot worse. If the negative reviews on The Odd Life of Timothy Green keep piling up, I'll have my eye on it, ready for you to add it as the 2nd worst new film this week.
 
To oiram: I have to mention that I look down upon the Bronies fad. In fact, I still think the Transformers franchise isn't half as bad as My Little Pony. MLP:FiM is made for girls ages 6 and under for (static)ake! I can understand Michael Jackson in Ike's body watching Friendship is Magic, but college age men?! Give me a break!
 
EDIT: Ooops! it was oiram, THEN the page about Pony fandom, THEN Vits made his first post this topic; I got it backwards!


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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 1:14pm
I meant that in a "adding insult to injury" sort of way...  

Originally posted by Vits

Originally posted by oiram

My only gripe is that I feel a little bad about considering Sly for Worst Actor since his son died this year --but I'll try to not think about that.
 

I think that should only apply to the deceased. As in Sly's son shouldn't be nominated (even if he could be). But Sly himself? I say, go for it!

Don't you mean "To oiram"? Vits didn't say anything about Bronies.
 
Originally posted by GTAHater767

To Vits: I have to mention that I look down upon the Bronies fad. In fact, I still think the Transformers franchise isn't half as bad as My Little Pony. MLP:FiM is made for girls ages 6 and under for (static)ake! I can understand Michael Jackson in Ike's body watching Friendship is Magic, but college age men?! Give me a break!



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Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.

Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 1:26pm
I know! The thing is, I don't think we should add more things to the list of reasons why someone shouldn't be nominated. It's different to nominate a dead person, because it insults their memory. But nominating someone who went through a tragedy is not the same. Not to mention that he filmed most (if not all) of this movie before his son's death, so if his performance/directing/script is bad enough, then his son shouldn't carry the burden. Again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Sly and his family.

Edit: I think http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20620935,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontent - this proves my point.  

Originally posted by oiram

I meant that in a "adding insult to injury" sort of way.


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Posted By: GTAHater767
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 4:19pm
To Vits: And if we splash RAZZBerry jelly over his work as he tries to cope with his son's death via this film, then it may or may not be defiling any grave, but I imagine it would most likely dishearten or discourage him. Alas, this discussion will only be relevant if The Expendables 2 underpasses 55% at Rotten T and Metacritic.
 
To oiram: Here's a fact about me to prove where my priorities are in terms of dignity and embarrassment. I'd rather be seen wearing nothing but socks and a "Dry 24/7" omutsu by 55,555 people than be seen watching My Little Pony or any of its branch-offs by 5 people.


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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: August 14 2012 at 4:26pm
To GTAHater767: I got your point. But I never said "go watch" MY LITTLE PONY...   

Originally posted by GTAHater767

To oiram: Here's a fact about me to prove where my priorities are in terms of dignity and embarrassment. I'd rather be seen wearing nothing but socks and a "Dry 24/7" omutsu by 55,555 people than be seen watching My Little Pony or any of its branch-offs by 5 people.


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Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.

Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 1:01pm
R.T. numbers have been going up and down and up and down. So far, it seems that, worst case scenario, it's on the same level as the first one.  


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: The original EXPENDABLES, with some 192 reviews compiled, currently has a surprisingly flattering 41% Positive RT Rating ( http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_expendables/ -  




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Posted By: moviewizguy
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 1:25pm
I didn't look forward to the first film when it came out 2 years ago. But watching it a few weeks later, I really, really enjoyed it. 

I am going to assume this sequel will be just as much fun to watch.   


RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: And may I assume, MWG, that you saw the first film buying into Sly's claim that EXPENDABLES #1 was made to be laughed at and enjoyed as "camp"??  If so, you were duped -- Stallone hasn't got a single funny bone in his body. It was after the first film screened to derisive laughter that the concept of marketing that film as being "self-depricating" was hatched. 

It has been my experience that most film-makers who get audiences laughing by accident are incapable of doing something funny on purpose. Therefor, the likelihood of EXPENDABLES #2 being anything but a leaden fiasco is almost nil...  




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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 5:38pm
I know that it's RT rating is going to fall, but wouldn't it be hilarious if this ended up pulling a Fast Five?

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Posted By: jesse685
Date Posted: August 15 2012 at 6:03pm
SchumacherH8ter: Damnit, you got to that joke first.
 
FYI: ParaNorman is currently at 79% based on 24 reviews, meanwhile, The Odd Life of Timothy Green has fallen to a 41% based on 58 reviews and I'll have my eye on the remake of Sparkle as it still doesn't have any reviews! Will Timothy be GREEN enough to be "one of ours"? Is Sparkle not being pre-screened for critics?


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 7:37am
Technically this can't "pull a FAST FIVE", because that only applies to 4th> installments.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 1:55pm
Current R.T. Score(55-60%): "Taut, violent, and suitably self-deprecating. It gives classic action fans everything they can reasonably expect from a star-studded shoot-'em-up... for better and for worse". 

Sounds to me like it's not Worst Picture material, but it could still be nominated for Worst Ensemble.


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Posted By: jesse685
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by Vits

Technically this can't "pull a FAST FIVE", because that only applies to 4th> installments.
Don't you mean it applies to 5th installments?
 
Also, ParaNorman and The Odd Life of Timothy GREEN are still Fresh and Rotten, respectively. Meanwhile, Sparkle may not be as half-bad as I originally thought as it sits on 78%.


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F**k Yeah/WTF Were They Thinking Awards Results Live-Tweet @jesse685


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 16 2012 at 11:37pm
I'm back from this. I had a lot for fun then I probably should have. The best scene was Chuck Norris' intro. Entertainment grade: A. Quality grade: B.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 17 2012 at 12:26pm
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Originally posted by jesse685

Don't you mean it applies to 5th installments?
Since a trilogy becomes a saga/franchise after 4 installments (and since physics laws state that if something happens 3 times in a row it's likely to happen again), the rule should apply to the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc.
Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Entertainment grade: A. Quality grade: B.
And your overall grade?


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: August 17 2012 at 12:43pm

I was extremely conflicted on this one: The acting's crap, the story is bland, and if it gets any Razzie nods other than Worst Picture, I wouldn't be too bothered. But damn if I didn't have fun! 

That's why i gave it two grades -- My official grade is B, though.



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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 8:07am
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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 3:19pm
http://movieswithmitch.squarespace.com/reviews/2012/8/20/expendables-2-review.html -


Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 22 2012 at 12:30pm
http://www.examiner.com/article/movie-review-the-expendables-2-1 - Jeff Beck gave it a 2/4.

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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: August 25 2012 at 6:10am
I actually looked through alot of the "positive" reviews, and alot of them actually say that the movie is crap, but in a fun way. Hmmm. I'm guessing it can still be a Worst Picture contender.

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Elizabeth Hartman and Judith Barsi are more talented and beautiful than Scarlett Johansson and Chloe Grace Moretz. Fact.

Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: August 30 2012 at 12:39pm
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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: September 06 2012 at 5:21am
I'm trying to catch up a bit after a busy and often trying summer. I guess it is about time to unload on SOMETHING LOL. I looked over a number of the "fresh" reviews for this film at RT and as someone noted above, I'm not really sure how they qualified as positive reviews. I think we can all agree that Plan Nine From Outer Space is a hoot to watch (for all the wrong reasons) but it is still crap. This movie evidently falls into the same category. Expanding on that thought, Sly Stallone has to be the laziest filmmaker on the planet. The guy has had 2 original ideas in his life (it is a stretch to say the Rocky and Rambo are really different ideas but I'll give the devil his due). Stallone does something modestly successful, so what does he do? He goes out and makes the same movie again (and again and again and again). If anyone out there believes there won't be an Expendables 3, I have some lovely land down in Florida you might be interested in. Meanwhile, the Stallone parade of cultural crap continues.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 12:00pm
I just saw it. For your consideration: Worst Ensemble. But nothing else.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 9:54am
My com-- Well, I have no comments because I just compared it to the first one:

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