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Member Discussion: LET's NOT GET 'TAKEN' AGAIN!!

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Forum Name: TAKEN, TOO!
Forum Discription: To Quote One of the Fake Trailers from TROPIC THUNDER: The Thing No One Thought Could Happen Again...Is Happening Again!
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Topic: Member Discussion: LET's NOT GET 'TAKEN' AGAIN!!
Posted By: HeadRAZZBerry
Subject: Member Discussion: LET's NOT GET 'TAKEN' AGAIN!!
Date Posted: October 01 2012 at 12:31pm
WHEN HE WAS the MAIN GUEST on the COUCH at GRAHAM NORTON's BBC "CHAT SHOW" (PROMOTING THE GREY) LIAM NEESON WAS RIBBED by the HOST ABOUT DOING a SEQUEL to TAKEN, and WAS ASKED: "HOW STUPID IS the DAUGHTER from the FIRST TAKEN to ALLOW HERSELF to GET TAKEN a SECOND TIME?" 

THAT BRIEF CHAT SHOW EXCHANGE EXHIBITS MORE CREATIVE THOUGHT THAN WAS PUT into THIS ENTIRE, BLATANT MONEY-GRAB of a MOVIE -- WITH ROTTEN REVIEWS (93% NEGATIVE and DROPPING), a PLOT THAT's ESSENTIALLY a RE-HASH of the FIRST FILM (OMG, THIS TIME IT's the MOM & DAD WHO'VE BEEN TAKEN and the DAUGHTER HAZ to RESCUE THEM!?!?) and an AD CAMPAIGN THAT MAKES THIS LOOK as GENERIC as HOSPITAL JELLO, TAKEN TOO SEEMS to PERSONIFY WHAT OUR WORST PREQUEL, REMAKE, RIP-OFF or SEQUEL CATEGORY EXISTS to DIS-HONOR.  

WHEN YOU ADD in THAT LIAM's OTHER 2012 RELEASES INCLUDE http://www.razzies.com/forum/member-discussion-addl-info-on-battleship_forum628.html - and http://www.razzies.com/forum/wrath-of-the-titans-discussion-info_forum618.html - , YOU CAN SEE WHY NEESON MAY BE a BIT of a NERVOUS NELLY WHEN NOMINATION TIME COMES AROUND for THIS YEAR's RAZZIES®...  

IF YOU, TOO, ARE AMONG THOSE WHO DON'T FIND THEMSELVES "TAKEN" with the NOTION of YET ANOTHER SEQUEL THAT EXISTS SOLELY to SEPARATE MOVIE-GOERS from THEIR MONEY, FEEL FREE to EXPRESS YOUR OUTRAGE BELOW. 


JUST for FUN, HERE's the http://www.razzies.com/forum/taken-as-well_topic5991.html - to CHECK OUT the FOTO FUNNY for THIS FILM... 

...and HERE's the http://www.razzies.com/forum/forum648.html - to the ADD'L INFO PAGE for TAKEN, TOO to CHECK OUT CREDITS, REVIEWS and CETERA... 




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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: October 01 2012 at 12:50pm
Last I checked, the mother/wife is the one taken, not the daughter. It seems like she's getting to "learn the skills of her father" according to the trailers I have seen.
 
Speaking of the daughter, I have a little of a dilemma choosing where to put Maggie Grace. I would assume that she would fit in Worst Actress category for this, Lockout, and the soon to be released Twilight 5. The mother/wife character (Famke Janssen) seems to be more of a fit for Supporting Actress.
 
As for Liam, should he be Worst Actor for this? Or do you think it is easier to lump him in along with Battleship and Wrath of the Titans as Supporting Actor? (I'm asking Headrazz this.)


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 01 2012 at 1:23pm
Is anyone else kind of hoping that the bad guys kill the daughter? She was dumb, annoying, and Maggie Grace can't act worth sh*t!  
 
Well, I have homework to do now... and then I review Troll!


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 01 2012 at 5:21pm
Am I the only one here who hated the first TAKEN? I know it only got mixed reviews, but I'm asking because it has become something of a "cult classic." Aside from that pretty cool monologue (no way you don't know what I mean) I felt it was just another action movie. And when I say "hate", I mean I thought it was one of the worst of that year (2009)! 

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Posted By: jesse685
Date Posted: October 01 2012 at 5:28pm
Technically, it was 2008. It released early in some countries (France - February, U.K. - September) and then released in the United States in January '09.

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Posted By: saturnwatcher
Date Posted: October 02 2012 at 7:40am
No. And the ones getting taken are the people who buy tickets for this unnecessary sequel!  

Originally posted by Vits

Am I the only one here who hated the first TAKEN?  
 



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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 02 2012 at 8:56am
Luc Besson has confirmed that there's 0 chance of a TAKEN 3 --Cool! 

Now, if we can get him to apologize for the first 2 TAKEN movies, TRANSPORTER 3, LOCKOUT, COLOMBIANA, THE LADY, FROM PARIS WITH LOVE, the TAXI remake and his ARTHUR AND THE INVISIBLES saga... 




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Posted By: Grounder the Critic
Date Posted: October 03 2012 at 5:45pm
http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/taken-2-audio-review-with-grant - http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/taken-2-audio-review-with-grant

Here's the Spill Crew's review of Taken 2.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 03 2012 at 6:26pm
I'll answer, since he hasn't yet. Based on the Razzies history, he'll be listed for Worst Actor for all 3 movies. None of his performances were panned individually. In cases like thatWorst Actor[ress] predominates over Worst Supp. Actor[ress].  

Originally posted by oiram

As for Liam, should he be Worst Actor for this? Or do you think it is easier to lump him in along with Battleship and Wrath of the Titans as Supporting Actor? (I'm asking Headrazz this.)



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Posted By: oiram
Date Posted: October 04 2012 at 4:52am
I doubt it. I think Liam will end up being Worst Supporting Actor for Battleship and Wrath of the TItans, and Worst Actor for Taken 2. It just seems like that would make more sense. Sam Worthing is already being considered as Worst Actor for Wrath, as is Taylor Kitsch for Battleship.
 
HeadRAZZ, what do you think?  

Originally posted by Vits

Originally posted by oiram

As for Liam, should he be Worst Actor for this? Or do you think it is easier to lump him in along with Battleship and Wrath of the Titans as Supporting Actor? (I'm asking Headrazz this.)
I'll answer, since he hasn't yet. Based on the Razzies history, he'll be listed for Worst Actor for all 3 movies. None of his performances were panned individually. In cases like thatWorst Actor[ress] predominates over Worst Supp. Actor[ress].
 



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Worst Supporting Actor: Brendan Fraser/Gimme Shelter and The Nut Job




Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 04 2012 at 9:48am
What do those other actors have to do with it? Again, I'm talking based on the Razzies history: if an actor appears in a bunch of bad movies in the same year but didn't give a particularly bad performance, then he's listed as Worst Actor for all the titles. Now, if his performance in this movie ends up being terrible, then he'll probably be listed like you say. 

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Originally posted by oiram

I doubt it. I think Liam will end up being Worst Supporting Actor for Battleship and Wrath of the TItans, and Worst Actor for Taken 2. It just seems like that would make more sense. Sam Worthing is already considered Worst actor for Wrath, and Taylor Kitsch for Battleship.



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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 04 2012 at 11:02am
http://rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121003/REVIEWS/121009988 -


Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 05 2012 at 11:25am
R.T. (15-20%): "It's largely bereft of the kinetic thrills (and surprises) that made the original a hit".

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 05 2012 at 11:28am
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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 06 2012 at 11:56am
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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 09 2012 at 12:26pm
http://movieswithmitch.squarespace.com/reviews/2012/10/8/taken-2-review.html -  And http://www.examiner.com/article/movie-review-taken-2-1 -


Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 30 2012 at 12:57pm
Well, I finally got around to seeing this and it gave me a great idea for a new Razzie category (if we don't go with Worst Propoganda Film): Worst Vomit-Inducing Use Of Shaky-Cam!! We could also include Safe House, Chernobyl Diaries, Project X, The Hunger Games, Paranormal Activity 4, Wrath Of The Titans, Battleship, and The Devil Inside. According to some reviews, Alex Cross uses shaky-cam, so maybe we could include that one too.  
 
As for the rest of the movie, I was bored silly. Grade: D+


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: October 31 2012 at 10:16am
Do you think this should be nominated for any existing categories?

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: October 31 2012 at 6:10pm
Oh definitely. The categories I want to see it nominated the most for are Worst Supporting Actress for Maggie Grace (also for Lockout and Breaking Wind Part 2) and Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off, or Sequel.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 11:04am
I just saw it. FYC:
-Worst Prequel or Sequel.
-Worst Director.
-Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use of Shaky-Cam (proposed by SchumacherH8ter).
-Worst Picture.


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Posted By: cvcjr13
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 5:27pm
Hate to point this out, but despite http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/taken_2_2012/ - a 21% critics pan on RT , Taken 2 only managed a http://www.metacritic.com/movie/taken-2 - 45 on Metacritic , a http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1397280/ - garnered 6.4 on IMDb and pulled in http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=taken2.htm - almost $139 million domestically and over $365 million worldwide .  In short, it's not bad enough for us despite how we feel.
 
What's more, despite what anyone else said, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2446042/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 - it appears Taken 3 has been announced .
 
That said, Liam Neeson is becoming the http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000685/ - Jon Voight and http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001768/ - Rod Steiger of our time, squandering his great talent on junk.  Nominations for worst actor and worst support actor are unfortunately deserved.


Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: December 30 2012 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by cvcjr13

Hate to point this out, but despite http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/taken_2_2012/ - a 21% critics pan on RT , Taken 2 only managed a http://www.metacritic.com/movie/taken-2 - 45 on Metacritic , a http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1397280/ - garnered 6.4 on IMDb and pulled in http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=taken2.htm - almost $139 million domestically and over $365 million worldwide .  In short, it's not bad enough for us despite how we feel.
If a movie is a box office flop, it makes it Razzie-worthy. If it's a hit, it doesn't matter. And IMDB isn't voted by critics.
Originally posted by cvcjr13

That said, Liam Neeson is becoming the  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000685/ - Jon Voight  and  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001768/ - Rod Steiger  of our time, squandering his great talent on junk.  Nominations for worst actor and worst support actor are unfortunately deserved.
I don't know about Steiger, but I don't remember the last time Voight made a good movie. As long as Neeson keep making movies like THE GREY in between the other 3 he made this year, he's alright.


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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: February 09 2013 at 10:35am
Originally posted by Vits

I just saw it. FYC:
-Worst Prequel or Sequel.
-Worst Director.
-Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use of Shaky-Cam (proposed by SchumacherH8ter).
-Worst Picture.
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Any thoughts?


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 7:48pm
I was planning on doing a normal review of Taken 2, but I decided that a 9 worst things review would fit it better.

9.) "I've only got my learner's permit!": One of my least favorite cliches in movies is the character with only a learner's permit successfully driving a car under duress. Taken 2 exploits this to obnoxious results.

8.) The plot-hole involving the Turkish cop: At one point in the film, Bryan Mills shoots a dirty Turkish cop. This leads to him and his annoying daughter being chased by non-dirty Turkish cops to the American embassy. However, this leads absolutely nowhere in the film. When Bryan is looking for his wife at the end, he should have been tackled by the police as soon as he left the embassy.

7.) Olivier Megaton's direction: Megaton's last name is almost as dumb as the film. I have no idea why Luc Besson keeps giving this joke work.

6.) The racism: Any non-white character in the film is a sleazy villain. The first scene involving the main villain Murad has him doing an Islamic prayer to make the Islamaphobes in the audience afraid. I'd compare it The Birth Of A Nation, but DW Griffith wipes the floor with Olivier Stupidname.

5.) The shaky-cam: Taken 2 features some of the worst shaky-cam I've seen in a non-found footage film. With the exception of The Hunger Games, it might be the worst in that category. And since this is only five, this should show how awful this movie is.

4.) Maggie Grace: Grace is an incredibly gorgeous actress, but God good can she not act. Remember how ridiculous it was when they tried to pass a 25-year-old as an 18-year-old in the first one? Well, in this one she's supposed to be 19, but Grace was 29 when this was made. Even worse, they tripled her screen-time.

3.) The love story: For reasons unknown to sane humans, the makers of this decided to have Bryan get back together with his bitch of an ex-wife. Why do action movies keep adding pointless and awful romance subplots? No one likes them, it just bores the audiences.

2.) The complete whitewashing of Bryan Mills: One of the things that I liked about the first Taken was how they didn't try to whitewash Bryan's less-than-honorable actions. He did some awful sh*t to get his daughter back and the film didn't even try to make those actions heroic. In this one, they turned Bryan into a do-no-wrong goodie-two-shoes. It turns an interesting anti-hero into a bland Gary Stu.

1.) The blown potential: I absolutely loath films that could have been great, but decided on mediocrity instead. It could have been a good hash on the first one, like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 or Gremlins 2. They should have made Murad the main character and Bryan the antagonist. It would have been a mind-blowing take on the papa wolf revenge story genre. Instead, Murad is a bland, two-dimensional bad guy, Bryan is a Gary Stu, annoying daughter and bitch ex-wife get more screen-time, the director's replaced by a shaved chimpanzee who can't hold a camera straight, the film's racist, just urgh!!!

When I saw it in theaters, I gave it a D+. Revisiting it, I now realize I was too lenient. Grade: F

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 6:01am
Have you seen her in enough movies and shows to say that?
Originally posted by SchumacherH8ter

Grace is an incredibly gorgeous actress, but God good can she not act.


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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 7:35am
I've seen her in 9 films/shows, so I think I'm qualified to critique her acting skills.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 8:51am
Which ones?

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Posted By: SchumacherH8ter
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 10:22am
Lost, both Taken films, both Breaking Dawn films, The Fog, Faster, Lockout, and Knight And Day.

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Posted By: Vits
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 1:02pm
I haven't seen LOCKOUT nor KNIGHT & DAY. I did like her acting in LOST. But with everything else, I agree with you.

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