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    Posted: June 29 2010 at 12:14pm
My point exactly. Sandler has trapped himself as the immature comedy guy, so that's all he will get to do for the rest of his career. Great for his bank account, but not great for anyone who loves good movies.
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Those 3 movies (Punch Drunk Love, Reign Over Me and Funny People) were Sandler's attempts to do drama, and he acted well in them. But he was already typecast,so those movies were failures. The same hapenned to Jim Carrey. Sandler should've done variations of comedy and drama when he started. By the way, in some of his comedies, Sandler has dramatic moments. 
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Well, I would prefer that Sandler be an actor, than try to act. But that's not what the rest of America wants to see.
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Alrighty, I finally made an account. I've lurked and followed this place for at least a year, and I agree with 98% of what gets torn a new one. Including this.
 
But there is one statement that bothered me: Adam Sandler can't act.
 
This is totally false. Adam Sandler totally can act, he just stars in a plethora of bad movies. He gave some fantastic performances in Punch-Drunk Love, Reign Over Me, and Funny People. I'm no huge Sanlder fan, but I really feel he is a fantastic actor and wish that one of his Dugan projects bombed so he might actually try to make some great movies.
 
That said, I'm glad to be here and look forward to discussing crap here.
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I'm about to scream with fear. And dEd Grimley, you are FAR from the first to suggest the past decade has been the worst for movies. January of 2000 was the month that movies suddenly went bad overnight. 1999 had a long list of the best movies ever made to its credit. 2000 had some of the worst, and it's been this bad since then. I have lists of the best and worst movies of each year. With so little data on 197X movies, I couldn't compile a best of 1970-1979, so I started the Best lists with 1980. The Worst starts with 2000 (Or "Two Triple-O").
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And here is the problem, part 2. This opening weekend for this was a shade over $40 million dollars. In other words, I guess there really is a market for lowbrow crap out there. That probably shouldn't surprise me after we put up with 8 years of George Bush, but it still depresses me. As long as Hollywood can spoonfeed people trash like this and make money on it, there is precious little hope we are ever going to see much quality on the screen.

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Not really Vits. There really are people who want things served certain ways. Some people like sliced tomatoes, but hate sun-dried tomatos. It's the same with food, but is served in very different ways that people can either accept or reject.  
 
With Adam Sandler, you KNOW what you're getting, because he's been selling the same thing since 1995: stupid, immature humor. That's his bread and butter, and it will never change because that's his winning formula. It's like getting French Fries from McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, and Nathan's. Yes, they are all prepared differently, but in the end, they will fill your body with fat, grease, and salt. That's every Sandler movie, sure the plotlines will be different, but in the end, they are all stupid movies, targeted at the lowest expectations.
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I don't know that I like the restaurant analogy, because I don't feel you can go to the movies without any sort of plan on what you're going to see. Movies start at different times. People know what they want to see BEFORE they go to the theater, unless it's something you're going to do in the middle of the day, there's a theater nearby, and you're willing to sit through anything at a matinee price. And that's not the average theater going experience. Most people go to a movie in the evening during the weekend.
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I think you got it wrong, BHB. A meal isn't a kind of movie in this metaphor. It is still a movie. 

If you watch a movie you didn't like, there's no reason to watch it again. But you can't stop watching movies that look similar. That would be like not ordering french fries just because you don't like mashed potatoes. They're very much alike, but after you try both, you realize they taste different. And this movie looks exactly like every other Adam Sandler movie, but who says it can't be different...even a little bit? 
 
The bottom line is that nobody should be so black-and-white when it comes to choosing movies to watch. If we don't keep an open mind, we might skip the one that could be our all-time favorite.
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I guess I can see what saturnwatcher is saying. Hollywood could make good movies, they just choose not to. I wouldn't say movie theaters will be gone with a year or two, but they are on life support right now. Of course, we have our goverment to thank for the way the country is right now when it comes to money. Meanwhile, Canada is doing just fine, seeing has how their banks don't have their goverment officials in their back pockets.
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I think the biggest problem with Hollywood these days is the tendency to constantly aim low. People have been predicting the demise of movie theaters since the advent of television and it hasn't happened yet. I doubt that it is imminent. I also don't necessarily think CGI is really a villian. In fact, I think that it has the potential to take us to astonishing places if top notch effects were ever married to a compelling script. The problem as I see it is that Hollywood keeps approving scripts like they intend to play the movies at the drive-in theater across the street from the trailer park.
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Originally posted by Vits

Going to the movies it's like eating at a restaurant.After you looked at the menu you choose the things you like.Between those,you choose the ones you like the most.If there's a tie,you choose the cheapest one.That's not being cheap because you didn't choose the cheap one first.

You're not a jerk for having an early opinion on movies.Everyone has.But pre-judging is another thing.It's O.K. to say "I don't think I'll like GROWN UPS" but not to say "I'll never ever watch it".
Yeah, but then there are meals that you KNOW you're not going to like no matter how much you want to try it. Not many people want to jump right in to eat something like raw fish, or the internal organs of a sheep, or snails, etc. Nor is anyone going to want to dig into a steak dinner that is served on a dirty trash can lid. These are some of the images coming to mind when Razzie voters see another Sandler movie is being released. We know exactly what we're getting from him, and 90% of the time, it's something we don't like.
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Originally posted by vegasfilmboy

ive never really checked this site out before now, and now i fell like ive found a 2nd home. its so nice to see that there are people that actually dont like the mainstream crap that hollywood throws at us.
Yeah, that's what we are all about. Welcome aboard!
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ive never really checked this site out before now, and now i fell like ive found a 2nd home. its so nice to see that there are people that actually dont like the mainstream crap that hollywood throws at us. i cant really say i like any of the cast of 'grown ups' and the trailer made me cringe.
 
i think its sad that it made 41 million opening weekend and somehow will probably crack 100 mill. no accounting for taste i guess.
 
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Back on this piece o' crap, I'd like to put it in the same boat as Love Guru, but I can't. This one has more comedy star power, and it seems to fall every bit as flat. I'll give it credit for having a vaguely original storyline, and I'll take one of those over a reboot/rehash/remake/nostalgia movie any day, but I guess I'd like to hear whether or not anyone particularly disagrees with me about this past decade being crap, and whether or not I'm a jerk for pre-judging movies, and being fairly close to the critics 90% of the time.
Going to the movies it's like eating at a restaurant.After you looked at the menu you choose the things you like.Between those,you choose the ones you like the most.If there's a tie,you choose the cheapest one.That's not being cheap because you didn't choose the cheap one first.

You're not a jerk for having an early opinion on movies.Everyone has.But pre-judging is another thing.It's O.K. to say "I don't think I'll like GROWN UPS" but not to say "I'll never ever watch it".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BurnHollywoodBurn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 10:53pm
I gotta agree with dEd. I love movies too, but I feel like they peeked in the 70s and 80s and have been in a downward spiral since then. Movies this year are barely making $100 million, and the ones that do are because of 3-D or IMAX surcharges. RT is ripping every movie apart. I think the combination of movies these days sucking to high heaven and other outlets for movie lovers to watch classic movies at home are slowly killing the business, more so than pirating and bootlegs. It's as if Hollywood has given up on itself and is dying a slow and painful death, while DVDs and the Internet are the new form of entertainment that people are flocking to in masses. Proof that once and for all, the Movie-pocalyse is very real and it's here!
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