Looks to me like you left-winger Hollywood types have already decided you are gonna give Sly this award, so my only question is: Why bother with a poll, if the decision's been fixed in advance??
Response from Head RAZZberry: How's this for "fair" -- If ROCKY BALBOA actually does well at the box office (as I believe you yourself predict it will) we'll put off giving Sly his Worst Career Achievement RAZZIE, at least until his next turkey comes out. If it falls face first onto the canvas (as those who've seen it are already predicting it will) then we reserve the right to not only give Stallone a career award, but consider re-naming one of our categories in his dis-honor (The Sylvester Stallone Dis-Honorarial Worst Actor RAZZIE)...
#1 Sly Fan: no one's decided anything yet. The opinions expressed in this forum are merely those of the people posting, hence the poll. If people feel differently about Sly, they should enter the discussion and provide intelligent arguments.
By the way, I am one of the few who voted "maybe", as I don't feel I have watched enough of Stallone's output to be able to judge him fairly.One of the few things I saw was Copland, and that was OK, but I believe the majority of his movies to be unbearable turkeys. I just haven't seen enough of them (nor do I want to!) to be able to fairly say he deserves a lifetime achievement. How much fairer than that can I get?
Gertie....When you are ready for the list of Mr. Stallone's personal achievements, please let me know (I am sure the Head RAZZberry has already got the list or book compiled somewhere). Here is a sample of his work thus far!
SLY’s RAZZIE “WINS” (The Nominations are more extensive)
Worst Actor of 1984 for RHINESTONE Worst Actor, Director & Screenplay of 1985 for both RAMBO II and ROCKY IV Worst Actor of 1988 for RAMBO III Worst Actor of the DECADE (For the 1980s) Worst Actor of 1992 for STOP! OR MY MOM WILL SHOOT! Worst Screen Couple of 1994 w/Sharon Stone in THE SPECIALIST Worst Actor of the CENTURY for “95% of Everything He’s Ever Done” Worst Supporting Actor of 2003 for SPY KIDS 3-D: GAME OVER
Side Note:Special thanks to Mr. Wilson for compiling this list on this Forum (hope he did not mind my "lifting" it).
Again, I personally have nothing against Stallone -- more or less disappointment after the 1st 2 Rocky's. But the rest of his work speaks for itself.
Note to Head RAZZberry: I want to know why "Cobra" is not on this list, that's my favorite gem!
Response from Head RAZZberry: If you'll check out this LINK for our 1986 RAZZIE nominations, you'll see that COBRA racked up 6 nods, including Worst Picture and Sly for bothWorst Actor and Worst Screenplay. But Sly was up against both Prince's UNDER THE CHERRY MOON and HOWARD THE DUCK that year (both of which tied as Worst Picture in final balloting) and had already "won" Worst Actor numerous times at that point. 1986 just wasn't his year, I guess...
The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!
Words to live by: "Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
I am aware that Stallone's "achievements¨ are widely viewed as some of the worst movies ever made. It's just that I haven't seen most of them, so I would be being biased if I voted "yes.¨ Hence my voting "maybe."
I also wanted to show #1 Sly Fan that, unlike what he thinks (sorry about my English, but I couldn't think of a better way of putting this sentence together!), we are not voting to nominate "Sly¨ on a whim: a nomination would have nothing to do with personal antipathies, and is purely based on his movies/ performances being truly awful.
Everyone who's been subjected to the movies you have listed is more than welcome (and encouraged!) to vote "yes!" I'll abstain for now,but just for now (give me some time to get personally acquainted with Stallone's "masterpieces¨," and then we'll talk!)
I was just re-reading your post, and I am not sure how these "lifetime achievement" awards thingies work: are they usually voted in or are they based on the amount of similar awards people have received in the past? If most lifetime achievement awards are assigned to mark an extraordinary amount of past awards, then, by Razzie standars, Stallone should receive a lifetime "mis-achievement" award, regardless of votes.
It was never my intent for you to base your decision on just reading the list that I posted, but use it as a reference sheet in order to get acquainted on. Then from there make your own informed and unbiased decision on what you see.
Even though it is not on the list I posted for you, "Cobra" is a good example. I thought it was just out right hilarious. The script in witch (Once again meddled with by Sly) was supposedly one of the draft's for the Original Beverly Hills Cop movie when Stallone was attached to it. Thankfully, he dropped out and the role was finally given to a near unknown at the time, Eddie Murphy. Dah Sly Guy then took his draft to Canon and, since they were famous for making Cheap Crap, ended up making it.
I am not speaking for the HeadRAZZberry (Whom I have a lot of respect for and is even nice enough to correct my bad Grammar), and please correct me if I am wrong but, a lifetime achievement award is usually handed out because of the achievement or contributions that an individual has made in a certain field over the span of a normal career (say 25 to 40 years). In Mr. Stallone's case, it will be the part of the industry for all the crap to down right hilarious films he has been cranking out since at least 1980.
I hope this answers some of your questions, and look forward to more of your intelligent debates in the near future!
This one's for you #1 Sly Guy
The "Networking IT" Movie Buff!
Words to live by: "Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Yo, ITbeast -- Are you actually trying to argue that BEVERLY HILLS COP is a better movie than COBRA?!?!? BH COP featured music by that gay hanger-out-in-public restrooms George Michael, so it doesn't even belong in the same universe as ANY red-blooded, macho male Stallone movie...
Response from Head RAZZberry: Here's a LINK to the IMDb page for the soundtrack of the original 1984 BEVERLY HILLS COP, which lists NOTHING by George Michael. I assume you were referring to "I Want Your Sex," written and performed by Mister Michael, which actually "won" our Worst Original Song RAZZIE -- But which was featured in the 1987 sequel BEVERLY HILLS COP II. Here's a LINK for that info...
But beyond your lack of knowledge about subjects you coose to pontificate about, I must also ask: What on Earth does Goerge Michael's BEVERLY HILLS LOO arrest record have to do with the quality of a film that happened to feature his music? Don't tell me someone calling themselves #1 Sly Fan is actually a closet...homophobe?!?!?!
Yo, #1 Sly Fan -- Since, like Stallone himself, you seem to think how much MONEY a movie makes tells its true worth, here are some sobering numbers for you, courtesy of The IMDb:
Cobra's total Box Office Gross:
$49,042,224 (USA) $160,000,000 (Worldwide)
Beverly Hills Cop's total Box Office Gross:
$234,760,500 (USA) $316,400,000 (Worldwide)
Looks like, as you put it in a previous post, "the whole world" thought Cobra was less than "half-as-good" a movie as BH Cop #1. When you factor in that BH COP had TWO successful sequels, and COBRA had NOT EVEN ONE, I guess we have our answer...
Yo, all you Razzie twinkies: I'm NOT a homophobe -- I just hate fags!
Response from Head RAZZberry: To quote another RAZZIE Repeat Offender, Keanu Reeves: "WOAH!"
I'd say #1 Sly Fan has overstepped a boundary or two here, and wandered off into Offensive Territory. What say you, Fellow Forum Posters: Should this hate-mongering post be DELETED, or should we let it stand as an example of the intolerance of Sly fans everywhere???
He is very amusing, if not entertaining, most of the time. For right now I say we keep him on. If he is the best that the Stallone Fan Base has, it just re-enforces my vote that I originally cast in this discussion & poll: A resounding YES!
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Words to live by: "Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
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