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Michaels 
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 Topic: Stallone is NOT such a bad actor!Posted: January 18 2010 at 1:02pm |
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I don't know why the Razzies seem to target Stallone all the time, because there are worst actors than him. As for Stallone, well, I never cared for him outside of "Rocky 1".
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saturnwatcher
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 3:22pm |
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I don't think a careful evalution of the evidence supports the notion that Stallone is targeted all the time. However, he has set himself up on a position where his movies are automatically going to at least get our attention. Head Razz was right on in an earlier post on this thread when he suggested that Stallone is essentially a two trick pony. Actually, I'd narrow that scope to one trick pony because I personally don't see any significant difference in Rambo and Rocky as characters.
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Michaels
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 3:30pm |
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Well, he has "won" the most Razzies of all time, so it would at least seem like the Razzies are out to get him. However, I have respect for the voters who spared him last year and instead went after a much more worthy target that until that year managed to get away razzie free ... Uwe "Toilet" Boll as a new member of the Razzie Lifetime of Bad Achievement Hall of Shame.
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TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: January 18 2010 at 5:09pm |
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Kinda agree... but this is just because until this time Razzies hate Stallone it wasn't a real analyze because Rambo: First Blood Part.2 is not SO bad and by far better than Revolution! |
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Balboa6
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 7:53pm |
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In other words, you haven't watched any of his other films aside from Rocky and Cop Land. |
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Balboa6
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 7:58pm |
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Nobody who has seen his films would say that. He has played a variety of different characters. Stallone is extraordinarily diverse and talented and has played a wide range of characters. Perhaps if those who created the Razzies actually had lives or a talent of their own they wouldn't feel the need to fabricate, exaggerate, and generalize and they wouldn't have to latch on to other people like a bunch of parasites to compensate for their immense insecurities and their complete and utter incompetency.
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Michaels
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 8:20pm |
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"A variety of different characters"? You're kidding right? Stallone has played a cop type character for at least a dozen movies, the only thing that changes is his character's name and their base of location. And if our opinions are so pointless, then why are you bothering to argue with us?
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"Just once I want my life to be like an 80's movie ... but, no, no. John Hughes did not direct my life." ("Easy A", 2010)
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TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 8:43pm |
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Totally agree with Balboa6... Stallone is a tallented actor who played a variety of caracters. To support my point of view, I'll name some different kinds of roles he played and played perfectly in my opinion (and the opinion of the general public):
- A nostalgic, inspiring, touching and charming boxer in the Rocky movies, except the third and fourth ones and on those I'll probably agree that they were not really good movies and not great performances from Sly EXCEPT the really touching Mickey's dead scene in Rocky III in which Stallone gives an exceptional acting.
- A traumatized war veteran in Rambo First Blood and Rambo 4, and I don't even talk about the crapes that are Rambo 2 and 3 (entertaining crapes anyway lol).
- A syndicated employee in F.I.S.T. (great movie, great performance).
- A desesperated man who wants to have some money in Paradise Alley.
- A gangster who wants to have revenge because his brother was killed in Get Carter (GREAT performance by Sly I really don't see why he got a nomination once again for worst actor).
And you want more examples... just say!
Ok now 5 good movies except Rocky and Cop Land, I'm ready to bet that you guys never saw:
- Paradise Alley
- F.I.S.T.
- Victory
- First Blood
- Rocky II, V and Balboa
All great movies... and I didn't name them all I just got best examples of great Sly's movies! RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: You're actually going to argue F.I.S.T. is a good movie/performance?? When I saw it in a theatre in its original release, the audience founds Sly's mumbling delivery so confusing that there was one scene in which they all thought he was still speaking English, when in fact the dialogue was in Polish! Also, I am getting tired of your insisting that none of us has ever even seen the crappy movies your idol keeps on making -- I have already said, multiple times, that I myself have actually seen every indefensible one of the piece of sheit movies for which he's been a RAZZIE nominee -- and wish there were some way I could get all those wasted hours of my life back. You like Stallone? FINE! But please stop acting as though you, with your limited command of English and miniscule sense of what constitutes true entertainment, are the smartest guy in the room. Your admiration for Sly instantly proves otherwise...
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Michaels
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Posted: January 29 2010 at 8:02am |
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Okay, but this is like going on the path of you complaining about Christian Bale only having two good performances in his entire career. That's only 5 good roles for Stallone that had variety to them. Other than those roles, he's played a policemen type character through the rest of his career. That's not variety, that's type-casting.
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"Just once I want my life to be like an 80's movie ... but, no, no. John Hughes did not direct my life." ("Easy A", 2010)
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saturnwatcher
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Posted: January 29 2010 at 10:24pm |
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"caracters"? "deseperated"?
 This debate is over.
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Mayhem5185
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Posted: January 30 2010 at 5:58am |
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This is why i love coming back here, i always get entertained by the diversity of the arguments. On one end of the spectrum you have two dip-dunks like balboa and tarod who literally kiss stallones steroid/hgh infected nut sack no matter how bad the movie is. Next thing there going to tell us is that Over the Top deserved to sweep the academy awards and is a piece of cinematic genius. Seriously do you guys even believe what you say or are you just trolls trying to get a rise out of people, but either way don't stop on my account, it makes for a very interesting debate, and by interesting i mean i laugh my ass off. Then on the other side you have saturn and headrazz who get all up in arms over stallone worse than kanye west at an awards show. I can just picture them at their computers reading about stallone's newest movie projects, reeling in fear and going "STALLONE SCARY... STALLONE MAKE SUN GO AWAY!" Either way i hope this debate continues, it doesn't bring anything new to the table but at least it's more entertaining than any of the wide releases coming out this week. Oh and saturn are you really doing the whole grammar police thing? That is so aintitcool.com, your better than that. And by the way headrazz, the new site runs great i can actually access the forums on my cell phone, good work.
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Michaels
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Posted: January 30 2010 at 6:37am |
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Don't worry, Mayhem, I'm sure this little "debate" will keep going. These Sly Lovers lost most respect from us when they claimed Stallone is among the greatest actors of all time, whose roles have been so diverse ... when he's played a policeman a dozen times and has starred in 10 movies as the same two roles! Meanwhile, Christian Bale, who has had a diverse career of different characters, and has only appeared in one sequel, and has had two or three Oscar worthy roles that were overlooked ... he is the worst actor in past decade and deserves to get razzed. Why? because he yelled at a guy who was too stupid to realize you should be fixing the lightning BEFORE shooting the scene, not DURING. I mean, that alone is a Razzie worthy trespass, apparently in their world.
But yeah, they are Sly Lovers in a Sly Hating forum. They will not last long.
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TaRaN-RoD
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Posted: January 30 2010 at 8:55am |
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First, no my first language is not English, sorry for that! I'm speaking French and Russian! But I'm still good in English!
After, yes I assume, I'm a Sly lover in a Sly Hating Forum and I don't think that my arguments will change anything to your opinion but at least I want to share what I think so that's what I do.
But somewhere you have wrong, I'm not a Sly-fan who hates every others single actors in the world and didn't say he's the best actor of all time... I appreciate the movies, I loves movies, movies is a passion for me... I appreciate everything done with smoothness and tallent... sometimes, I could even enjoy bad movies... BUT im MY opinion, Sly has done a lot of good movies and has tallent and this is why I'm gonna never understand why you Razze him for the 95% of what he's doing!
And also please say me... In what is Stallone worse that Steven Seagal? Jean-Claude Van Damme? Chuck Norris? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Vin Diesel? Orlando Bloom? Paul Walker? Nicholas Cage? And a lot of other crapier actors? (I was going to name Christian Bale but no one would agree with me so...)
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Michaels
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Posted: January 30 2010 at 12:58pm |
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You may claim him to be better than those other actors you mentioned, but he's really only on par with them.
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Balboa6
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Posted: January 30 2010 at 3:06pm |
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Daylight, Assassins, Cliffhanger, Rocky 2-5, and RAMBO are all great. Tango & Cash was also very entertaining. They aren't even remotely bad movies. Then again coming from you, it's extremely difficult to take any kind of criticism seriously. |
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Balboa6
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Posted: January 30 2010 at 3:25pm |
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F.I.S.T. is a fantastic movie and Sylvester Stallone delivered an excellent performance, evolving throughout the film from a lowly union worker who, over the period of several decades, goes through a transformation and resents immensely the fact that he has become what he hated when he was a young man, having ties with the mafia and having sacrificed his integrity in order to do what he thought was right. It's a marvelous, underrated performance and film and certainly doesn't merit the negative criticism you dish out, then again you have no credibility so it really doesn't matter, does it? . Anyone who thinks he mumbles simply is not listening. It's that simple. Personally, I think you're full of sh*t and highly doubt you saw it in the theater, but you say you are getting tired of people doubting whether or not you've seen all of his movies; well, then try to do more than lie, exaggerate and generalize. It's all you do. You can't seem to give legitimate, solid reasons that make any sense. Insulting Stallone due to your inexplicable, irrational grudge against him doesn't constitute reasoning. What constitutes entertainment isn't one, specific thing. Sylvester Stallone has inspired an enormous amount of people throughout the world. His artistic contributions have inspired me greatly as a writer and actor, not to mention his vast knowledge when it comes to health and fitness, as well as his philosophical approach to life. People like yourself simply do not get anything. You have absolutely no idea what Rocky is even about. To you it's just "a boxing movie," and you use every overwhelmingly tired, overused cliche' to try to describe your reasons for bashing the franchise. The sequels are just as great. All you are seeing is numbers--"oh there's this many...duhhhhh......." Each one is an examination of a life in progress. To think one film is enough to say everything there is to say about that character is pretty stupid. You and the rest of the uneducated, pseudo-intellectual, clueless wannabes who run this worthless piece of dirtbag sh*t, meaningless site list films which don't even remotely belong in so much as a subpar category, let alone being "bad films." Al Pacino has made an enormous amount of sh*tty films. Also, how many times has Robert Deniro played a gangster or a cop? Oh I forgot, it's them; they get a free pass. It's justified and perfectly acceptable. It's just pure brilliance, but if Sylvester Stallone plays a handful of different characters who happen to work in some branch of law enforcement it's a sin and deserves condemnation. You people aren't fooling anyone. You prove you haven't seen all of his films with each post and your posts progressively seem more and more desperate to convince others you've seen them, which your words say otherwise. Sylvester Stallone has proven time and time again he has astonishing ability as a dramatic actor as well as his great physical prowess, which enables him to do action oriented roles as well. He is very diverse and is on par with some of the greats such as Clint Eastwood, Mickey Rourke, James Cagney, etc. Perhaps whenever you people come up with something legitimate, based on something in reality, people will take you seriously. Until then, don't expect much. I'll take your assertion that being a Sylvester Stallone fan is an indication of low intelligence as a compliment. Seeing as how he is extraordinarily intelligent and sophisticated, that's a pretty nice ego boost.
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