QuoteReplyTopic: Stallone is NOT such a bad actor! Posted: August 13 2010 at 8:25pm
I'm not putting the filmakers i mentioned on as high levels as speilberg and scorcese, but art is art. Even if they only make one artistic film, it took an artist to make it nonetheless. They arent great artists, but artists anyways, whose certain films proved a mastery of the filmaking craft that only an artist could acheive. As for Shatner, I feel certain he is an artist because Kirk is such a beloved character in not only pop culture but sci fi history. To be loved that much in a demanding genre like sci fi must have taken great skill and craftsmenship. If your a fan, perhaps you know what im getting at. He isnt on a level of Nicholson, Dean, Bogey, and the like. Those are great artists. Shatner isnt a great artist like them, thats for sure, but he is an artist. It takes great artistry to create a captain so beloved by many critics as well as fans.
Sorry, but as I said, a true artist is able to make a series of masterpieces, like a Spielberg or a Scorcese. Those other guys you mention are more fitting of the title one-hit wonder or one-trick pony. I'm not saying they were without skill to make the movies that they did, but they lacked enough skill to make for lasting and rewarding careers.
As for Shatner, nah, sorry, but I'll take Chris Pike's Kirk over Shatner's anyday. Shatner always played Kirk as a wooden dummy. Pike actually made Kirk come across as a human being with actual emotions. I'm so glad that as time has gone by, "Star Trek" has kept trying to distance itself from the stain of Shatner's bad acting, even to the point of killing his version of Kirk off in "Generations" and not including Shatner in the latest reboot of the series.
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Shatner was offered a part in the remake, but Abrams said Shatner was too busy at the time. The Kirk in the new film came off as a self centered prick, who only wanted fame and glory, wereas Shatners Kirk always was compassionate and caring towards the other crew members. The Star Trek fans still love Shatner dearly, and have far from distanced themselves from him. I'm not sure you have been to enough conventions to state what you have to say about his popularity among admirers of the show. The fans of the show love him so much it's incredible. And at the conventions I went to, they (the people who organized the convention) took polls as to which captain the convention goers preffered. And although they agreed the man who played picard is a better actor, Shatner always won hands down as favorite captain. All four times! Lastly, killing actors off doesn't mean they are unpopular. It does some of the time, but not all the time. Are you saying Dumbledore was killed off in harry potter because he was unpopular? Or what about Spock in Star Trek 2? Sure he was brought back in the third film, but when the second film was being made, they had no intention of ever brining him back. So are you saying fans were distancing themselves from Leonard Nemoy? I doubt it (and if i were you, I would definatley not question Nemoys status as an artist). Lastly, generations featured Kirk for the sole reason of passing on the torch of films from the original to next gen series. To keep him alive would've ruined the point of that film.
Yeah, Pike's Kirk came across as prick, on account of not having a father figure in his life. This is a little something we like to call character development. Also, he spoke like a normal human being, rather than having to pause after every two words like he was going to pass out from lack of oxygen. As for con-goers, come on man, those are bias, uncritical fans, they'll defend Shatner with their dying breath just as you have been doing because they are judging him through their childhood memories. And, just because something is popular, it doesn't mean it's good or better than something else being compared to it. "Transformers 2" made nearly a billion dollars world-wide, yet it still had a 20% at RT and won three top prize Razzies. Lastly, with the killing of Kirk, sure it's passing the torch, but was also a sigh of relief that Shatner was finally gone from the series.
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Yeah, sorry, I dont belive in the whole my dads dead so I've been a jerk my whole life. That cliches is extremly old and, in a messed up sort of way, that cliche is used in another film, or set of films, that we have been talking about latley....the star wars films. Btw, con goers seemed to hate star trek 5 and generations....so its unwise to call them unbiased. There was no sigh of relief at Kirks death, most fans wouldve preferred if the dude kept making star trek and were upset when Shatners character was killed off. You accuse any fan of being too biased and too crazy. That may be true for some fans, but their are plenty of fans of various films and shows who realize when a bad film is made (Fans of Friday the 13th hated Jason X, fans of highlander hated all its sequels, fans of star wars hated attack of the clones, and fans of Star Trek were very very mixed about Trek 5).
Oh yes, I'm sorry, because Kirk talking like a robot makes for such a better movie going experience than him being an emotional jerk. I'm so sorry that the lack of a father figure can make you a prick because, you know, that's Basic Psychology 101. Oh wait, Luke Skywalker wasn't an ass because he had Uncle Owen to take him under his wing. Oh, and Anakin had Obi-Wen to look up to, but him becoming a (whiny, crybaby) jerk had more to do with his MOTHER being killed, so your whole arugement is null and void. Nice try, but FAIL. And yeah, I would hate a pair of movies, too, if they proved how lame the childhood hero I used looked up to really was.
The Four Horsemen of the Moviepocalypse: uncalled for sequels/remakes/reboots, 3-D surcharges, untalented "celebrities", and anything with Michael Bay's name attached to it.
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