Official RAZZIE® Forum Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > FORUMS on NON-NOMINATED 2008 RELEASES w/LYNX! > VALKYRIE
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: STRONG SUCKER FOR 2008
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Calendar   Register Register  Login Login

STRONG SUCKER FOR 2008

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
MarleneDietrich View Drop Down
Berry New Comer
Berry New Comer


Joined: April 10 2007
Location: Barbados
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7
Post Options Post Options   Quote MarleneDietrich Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: STRONG SUCKER FOR 2008
    Posted: April 10 2007 at 4:25am

Crui$e will play Claus von Stauffenberg in "Valkyrie" in 2009, the leader of the plot to assassinate Hitler on July 20th, 1944. Here's some background info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg

Thomas Kretschmann from whom he stole the role says that he believes Crui$e took that role in order to win his Oscar at last. The way I see it, he will finally win his Razzie as Worst Actor. Let's face it: How's this parvenu supposed to play an old, educated nobleman?


"What nourished your hate against the Nazis all those years?"
Marlene Dietrich: "Decency."
Back to Top
nico View Drop Down
Berry New Comer
Berry New Comer


Joined: April 21 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5
Post Options Post Options   Quote nico Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2007 at 4:16pm
When I read this I was taken aback. This is a casting travesty.
Thank you for posting the link to the petition I will sign it immediately.
Back to Top
Queen_of_Toad View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 30 2006
Location: Germany
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 314
Post Options Post Options   Quote Queen_of_Toad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2007 at 8:39am

Here's a LINK to join our discussion of the TRAILER for "Valkyrie," (and there's a link to see the trailer there, as well)...

 

Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
Back to Top
moviewizguy View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 23 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2136
Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 1:42pm
If you actually think Tom Cruise can act "bad", you should get your head checked. Now I have so much hate for you. First a petition on Harry Potter and now this?! What has the world come to?!
Back to Top
Queen_of_Toad View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 30 2006
Location: Germany
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 314
Post Options Post Options   Quote Queen_of_Toad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 8:52pm

This sounds exactly like the fanbots I got used to hear over the years: It's just another one of these comments: "If you don't like [person or movie], then you must think [another opinion irrelevant to the subject]".

For example:  
1) "saying Tom Cruise can't act, is like saying Alicia Keys can't sing....."
2) "Those of you who think Tom's acting sucks probably think Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore are talented actresses"

Or how about extension of an opinion to another opinion like:

1) "I suppose you think that Steven Spielberg, Stanley Kubrick, Michael Mann, and Martin Scorsese are all terrible worthless directors?"

If you don't like this post, then you probably need more sex.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

If you actually think Tom Cruise can act "bad", you should get your head checked. Now I have so much hate for you. First a petition on Harry Potter and now this?! What has the world come to?!

Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
Back to Top
cvcjr13 View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: September 01 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1161
Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 10:24pm

Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad

If you don't like this post, then you probably need more sex.

Forgive your English?  Your English is better than most Americans' English, and your expressive logic is better than fine.

 

Back to Top
Queen_of_Toad View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 30 2006
Location: Germany
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 314
Post Options Post Options   Quote Queen_of_Toad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 4:58am
You're too kind where my English is concerned. Unfortunately I know it is not the case.

But I must agree with you about logic. That seems to be a strange territory, a new frontier for too many people...
Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
Back to Top
moviewizguy View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 23 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2136
Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 9:43am
No, I wouldn't say those things and that means I need to have sex? Excuse me, I'm 15, which makes you set a bad example for teens my age.
Back to Top
Queen_of_Toad View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 30 2006
Location: Germany
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 314
Post Options Post Options   Quote Queen_of_Toad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 10:24am
Who told me that you were 15 and who told you that I had come to set an example for you? And what do you call this?

Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad


For example,
1) "saying Tom Cruise can't act, is like saying Alicia Keys can't sing....."
2) "Those of you who think Tom's acting sucks probably think Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore are talented actresses"

Or how about extension of an opinion to another opinion like:

1) "I suppose you think that Steven Spielberg, Stanley Kubrick, Michael Mann, and Martin Scorsese are all terrible worthless directors?"



What is your problem, kiddo?
Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
Back to Top
cvcjr13 View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: September 01 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1161
Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2007 at 12:58pm

I don't know if I'm complimenting your English as much as I am stating the fact about our American English over here.  At times, it seems we're less concerned with speaking the language as we are about just throwing words out there.  And somehow we still understand each other. . . .

As for logic, we do have a saying over here: common sense is not so common. . . .

Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad

You're too kind where my English is concerned. Unfortunately I know it is not the case.

But I must agree with you about logic. That seems to be a strange territory, a new frontier for too many people...

Back to Top
cvcjr13 View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: September 01 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1161
Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2007 at 1:05pm

MWG, QoT is just making another non sequitur to help you to see the bad logic of your own non sequitur.  In other words, your saying that if our opinion of Tom Cruise's acting is that it's bad means that we need to get our heads examined is the equivalent as saying if you don't like QoT's post that means you need to have more sex.  Both are non sequiturs.

Originally posted by moviewizguy

No, I wouldn't say those things and that means I need to have sex? Excuse me, I'm 15, which makes you set a bad example for teens my age.

Back to Top
moviewizguy View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 23 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2136
Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2007 at 1:32pm
It doesn't seem like that to me.
Back to Top
Queen_of_Toad View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 30 2006
Location: Germany
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 314
Post Options Post Options   Quote Queen_of_Toad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2007 at 5:42pm
If you can't handle opinions different from your own; if you start whining because somebody disagrees with you; if you cannot come up with ARGUMENTS to defend your own case and stance and instead start complaining and pretend being offended and as a conclusion try to set up rules that do not exist in a forum: Then, maybe an international message board is not the right place for you.
Dr. QoT has spoken.
Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
Back to Top
cvcjr13 View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: September 01 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1161
Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2007 at 7:07pm

Originally posted by moviewizguy

It doesn't seem like that to me.

It's exactly what he's saying.  Perhaps the only reason you can't see it is that you are convinced Tom Cruise is a good actor.  You think that is fact.  And so, by extension, anyone who doesn't agree with that has a mental problem.  They cannot see what you deem a fact.

However, it really concerns values.  Most people value an actor who becomes totally different, convincing and relatable (or repulsive, but in a way where you want to keep on watching) characters over an actor who essentially plays the same role in every movie.  And even considering those who do play the same role over and over, we value those who are actually creating the role more than those who are just being their highly watchable and entertaining selves.

There are exceptions, of course, but by and large, that's what we tend to value.

I don't know Tom Cruise.  Never met the man in my life.  I'd doubt he'd be interested in meeting me, especially with a movie studio to run (and now fund, with one bomb out on the market and another on its way).  But it appears he plays himself or, at the very least, very slight deviations of the same character.

You might think this started when he jumped the shark, er, couch for Katie Holmes, or when he constantly pushed Scientology.  Well, this complaint was present even before all that.   I noticed it going back to LegendCocktail won the Worst Picture Razzie.  People complained about Days of Thunder.  He won the Worst Screen Couple Razzie with Brad Pitt for Interview with a Vampire.  All of that was well before all the recent tabloid fodder.  It has to do with his acting, or, more to the point, the perceived lack of acting.

 

Back to Top
moviewizguy View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: January 23 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2136
Post Options Post Options   Quote moviewizguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 3:17pm

Yes, he acts the same in every movie and that role he plays, in my opinion, is not bad. That's why I don't understand why people call him the worst actor and even bothering to make up petitions about him. If he plays the same role, which some calls good, then how is it bad?

Back to Top
cvcjr13 View Drop Down
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum
RAZZIE® Inner Sanctum


Joined: September 01 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1161
Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by moviewizguy

If he plays the same role, which some calls good, then how is it bad?

Go back to what I said earlier.  "However, it really concerns values.  Most people value an actor who becomes totally different, convincing and relatable (or repulsive, but in a way where you want to keep on watching) characters over an actor who essentially plays the same role in every movie."

That is true.  So, if Tom Cruise plays the same role over and over and, even worse, he's not really acting but is just being himself, and if "most people value an actor who becomes. . . different. . . characters" over what Tom Cruise does, then most people don't value Tom Cruise that highly, at best.  I used the words "if", not because this is hypothetical, because it's not.  I'm just laying it out for you.

It doesn't seem that Tom Cruise acts.  He's very watchable, he's very entertaining, people still pay to see Cruise, but it seems what you see on the screen is him.  Sure, those aren't his words, and he would probably never be in those situations, but it seems what you see in the film is who he is.  If you're just being yourself, people don't consider that to be acting.  So, to claim you're an actor, when you're not even acting, makes you a bad actor.

It's nice being paid well for just being yourself, but that's not acting.

Do you see our point of view?  I mean, you can still like Tom Cruise.  I think he did well in Collateral.  But even when I like him, he's still Tom Cruise.

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down