Thomas Kretschmann from whom he stole the role says that he believes Crui$e took that role in order to win his Oscar at last. The way I see it, he will finally win his Razzie as Worst Actor. Let's face it: How's this parvenu supposed to play an old, educated nobleman?
"What nourished your hate against the Nazis all those years?"
Marlene Dietrich: "Decency."
If you actually think Tom Cruise can act "bad", you should get your head checked. Now I have so much hate for you. First a petition on Harry Potter and now this?! What has the world come to?!
This sounds exactly like the fanbots I got used to hear over the years: It's just another one of these comments: "If you don't like [person or movie], then you must think [another opinion irrelevant to the subject]".
For example: 1) "saying Tom Cruise can't act, is like saying Alicia Keys can't sing....." 2) "Those of you who think Tom's acting sucks probably think Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore are talented actresses"
Or how about extension of an opinion to another opinion like:
1) "I suppose you think that Steven Spielberg, Stanley Kubrick, Michael Mann, and Martin Scorsese are all terrible worthless directors?"
If you don't like this post, then you probably need more sex.
Originally posted by moviewizguy
If you actually think Tom Cruise can act "bad", you should get your head checked. Now I have so much hate for you. First a petition on Harry Potter and now this?! What has the world come to?!
Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
Who told me that you were 15 and who told you that I had come to set an
example for you? And what do you call this?
Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad
For example, 1) "saying Tom Cruise can't act, is like saying Alicia Keys can't sing....."
2) "Those of you who think Tom's acting sucks probably think Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore are talented actresses"
Or how about extension of an opinion to another opinion like:
1) "I suppose you think that Steven Spielberg, Stanley Kubrick, Michael Mann, and Martin Scorsese are all terrible worthless
directors?"
What is your problem, kiddo?
Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
I don't know if I'm complimenting your English as much as I am stating the fact about our American English over here. At times, it seems we're less concerned with speaking the language as we are about just throwing words out there. And somehow we still understand each other. . . .
As for logic, we do have a saying over here: common sense is not so common. . . .
Originally posted by Queen_of_Toad
You're too kind where my English is concerned. Unfortunately I know it is not the case.
But I must agree with you about logic. That seems to be a strange territory, a new frontier for too many people...
MWG, QoT is just making another non sequitur to help you to see the bad logic of your own non sequitur. In other words, your saying that if our opinion of Tom Cruise's acting is that it's bad means that we need to get our heads examined is the equivalent as saying if you don't like QoT's post that means you need to have more sex. Both are non sequiturs.
Originally posted by moviewizguy
No, I wouldn't say those things and that means I need to have sex? Excuse me, I'm 15, which makes you set a bad example for teens my age.
If you can't handle opinions different from your own; if you start whining because somebody disagrees with you; if you cannot come up with ARGUMENTS to defend your own case and stance and instead start complaining and pretend being offended and as a conclusion try to set up rules that do not exist in a forum: Then, maybe an international message board is not the right place for you. Dr. QoT has spoken.
Please, forgive my poor English. It's not my native language.
It's exactly what he's saying. Perhaps the only reason you can't see it is that you are convinced Tom Cruise is a good actor. You think that is fact. And so, by extension, anyone who doesn't agree with that has a mental problem. They cannot see what you deem a fact.
However, it really concerns values. Most people value an actor who becomes totally different, convincing and relatable (or repulsive, but in a way where you want to keep on watching) characters over an actor who essentially plays the same role in every movie. And even considering those who do play the same role over and over, we value those who are actually creating the role more than those who are just being their highly watchable and entertaining selves.
There are exceptions, of course, but by and large, that's what we tend to value.
I don't know Tom Cruise. Never met the man in my life. I'd doubt he'd be interested in meeting me, especially with a movie studio to run (and now fund, with one bomb out on the market and another on its way). But it appears he plays himself or, at the very least, very slight deviations of the same character.
You might think this started when he jumped the shark, er, couch for Katie Holmes, or when he constantly pushed Scientology. Well, this complaint was present even before all that. I noticed it going back to Legend. Cocktail won the Worst Picture Razzie. People complained about Days of Thunder. He won the Worst Screen Couple Razzie with Brad Pitt for Interview with a Vampire. All of that was well before all the recent tabloid fodder. It has to do with his acting, or, more to the point, the perceived lack of acting.
Yes, he acts the same in every movie and that role he plays, in my opinion, is not bad. That's why I don't understand why people call him the worst actor and even bothering to make up petitions about him. If he plays the same role, which some calls good, then how is it bad?
If he plays the same role, which some calls good, then how is it bad?
Go back to what I said earlier. "However, it really concerns values. Most people value an actor who becomes totally different, convincing and relatable (or repulsive, but in a way where you want to keep on watching) characters over an actor who essentially plays the same role in every movie."
That is true. So, if Tom Cruise plays the same role over and over and, even worse, he's not really acting but is just being himself, and if "most people value an actor who becomes. . . different. . . characters" over what Tom Cruise does, then most people don't value Tom Cruise that highly, at best. I used the words "if", not because this is hypothetical, because it's not. I'm just laying it out for you.
It doesn't seem that Tom Cruise acts. He's very watchable, he's very entertaining, people still pay to see Cruise, but it seems what you see on the screen is him. Sure, those aren't his words, and he would probably never be in those situations, but it seems what you see in the film is who he is. If you're just being yourself, people don't consider that to be acting. So, to claim you're an actor, when you're not even acting, makes you a bad actor.
It's nice being paid well for just being yourself, but that's not acting.
Do you see our point of view? I mean, you can still like Tom Cruise. I think he did well in Collateral. But even when I like him, he's still Tom Cruise.
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